...but he certainly believes the probability a God poofed adult creatures into existence is an equally probable outcome as evolution...

And you believe that some random chemical reaction happened to turn inorganic matter into organic matter and *poof* spawn trillions and trillions of interdependent life forms... despite the fact that with all the modern technology and labs at your disposal, have never been able to reproduce such a chemical reaction.
No. You believe because we can't reproduce it in the lab that that proves macro evolution is wrong. You're wrong. Even if macro isn't true, you don't have a better theory. Macro is the theory that makes the most sense. Explaining it to you over and over would be an exercise in futility

It made the most sense that the Earth was flat.... It made the most sense that the universe revolved around the Earth... It made the most sense that the universe was comprised mostly of atoms... What makes the most sense is not always what is true. That's where Science comes in.... it doesn't care what makes the most sense, it's about questioning these things, testing and evaluating evidence.

You simply can't declare me wrong because that's your opinion. That's what closed-minded bigots do. Closed-minded bigots who believe their opinions are always right regardless of whether they can back their opinions up with evidence, have no business in Science. Your mindset is precisely what Science was invented to defeat.
How much scientific thought went into thinking the earth was flat? Was there 4 sciences that combined proved the earth was flat?

Hollie gave you a link with like 28 reasons macro is true. Did you read all 28?

It's ridiculous for you to tell us you have a problem with a scientific theory and ask us to explain what takes scientists 4 years to learn.

Things are not true until they're proven true. I usually don't bother with links to people trying to make their case for their faith-based beliefs and convince me they are facts. There's really no point in that because I am not some gullible idiot who is going to buy into it.

I presented the example of flat earth to contradict your appeals to popularity. Repeatedly telling me how many scientists agree with your speculation and believe it's true, isn't science. No one has proven macro-evolution and you admit no one has proven it, then go right back to arguing it is true and boasting about how many people believe it.

Honestly... do you think we'd be having this long drawn out debate over something everyone believed was true and was indisputable scientific fact? Do you see any lengthy threads arguing that 1+1=2? Countless websites devoted to convincing you that 1+1 really does =2? Of course not, because anyone with a brain knows 1+1=2... it's a fact... it's proven.

This all started on Page 1 when I posted that no one has ever proven that any living organism has ever evolved beyond it's genus taxa. I stand behind that statement until I see some science to show me it's wrong... so far, nadda!
 
Ah yes...the classic dodge
Don't hold me to standards I demand of you

There is no other explanation for moving progressively from simple creatures to more and more complex creatures without evolution

Evolution occurred ...that is an irrefutable fact

No, the kind of evolution you believe in has never been proven to have occurred. It may have, it just hasn't been proven with Science.

I haven't dodged anything... I don't have a scientific theory on origin of life, never claimed I did. I am challenging YOUR theory and you can't back your theory up with science so you ridicule the fact that I haven't presented a better idea.... but that isn't how Science works, never has been, never will be. Sorry!

Evolution DID occur..that is a fact

It is observable SCIENCE
We have observed fossil evidence that only simple life forms existed 500 million years ago
We have observed progressively more complex creatures emerge and have seen creatures die out
We have observed that man was not around until fairly recently

That is what is known as Evolution
 
Bacterial resistance to antibiotics. Bacteria colonies can only build up a resistance to antibiotics through evolution. It is important to note that in every colony of bacteria, there are a tiny few individuals which are naturally resistant to certain antibiotics. This is because of the random nature of mutations.

When an antibiotic is applied, the initial innoculation will kill most bacteria, leaving behind only those few cells which happen to have the mutations necessary to resist the antibiotics. In subsequent generations, the resistant bacteria reproduce, forming a new colony where every member is resistant to the antibiotic. This is natural selection in action. The antibiotic is "selecting" for organisms which are resistant, and killing any that are not.
Five Proofs of Evolution | Evolution FAQ
 
The Probability of Life - Creationists have long asserted that the chances of life forming naturally are so remote that they could not have happened. Read about how, in fact, the chances are much wider than most think.
 
I have a question. Why did God bury all those things that look like old bones, ya know fossils?

The fossil record is no friend to evolution. We observe species suddenly appear and suddenly disappear. There is not this never-ending transitional evidence where things are becoming other things... there should be, if that's what happened.

Boss, you and I have discussed other topics before and to me you seem an intelligent fellow with an educated and skeptical mind.

Can I ask you what you would accept as evidence for common ancestry? Would you accept DNA evidence?

Do you think your standard for accepting evidence which supports atomic theory, relativity, quantum theory, economic theories, or social theories is the same for evolutionary theories?
 
Ah yes...the classic dodge
Don't hold me to standards I demand of you

There is no other explanation for moving progressively from simple creatures to more and more complex creatures without evolution

Evolution occurred ...that is an irrefutable fact

No, the kind of evolution you believe in has never been proven to have occurred. It may have, it just hasn't been proven with Science.

I haven't dodged anything... I don't have a scientific theory on origin of life, never claimed I did. I am challenging YOUR theory and you can't back your theory up with science so you ridicule the fact that I haven't presented a better idea.... but that isn't how Science works, never has been, never will be. Sorry!

Evolution DID occur..that is a fact

It is observable SCIENCE
We have observed fossil evidence that only simple life forms existed 500 million years ago
We have observed progressively more complex creatures emerge and have seen creatures die out
We have observed that man was not around until fairly recently

That is what is known as Evolution

Now you are running to hide behind the safe skirt of micro-evolution which I have never disputed. You simply need to look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of that.

"Observable science" is not Science... sorry, it's actually the antithesis of Science. Science is the testing, observation and evaluation of a hypothesis. What you are calling "observable science" is merely simple observation and it's why man thought the Earth was flat and the universe revolved around the Earth.

You're simply making an observation of how things seem they should be and attaching the word "science" onto it, in order to claim your observations are truth and fact. But that's never been how Science works.
 
Ah yes...the classic dodge
Don't hold me to standards I demand of you

There is no other explanation for moving progressively from simple creatures to more and more complex creatures without evolution

Evolution occurred ...that is an irrefutable fact

No, the kind of evolution you believe in has never been proven to have occurred. It may have, it just hasn't been proven with Science.

I haven't dodged anything... I don't have a scientific theory on origin of life, never claimed I did. I am challenging YOUR theory and you can't back your theory up with science so you ridicule the fact that I haven't presented a better idea.... but that isn't how Science works, never has been, never will be. Sorry!

Evolution DID occur..that is a fact

It is observable SCIENCE
We have observed fossil evidence that only simple life forms existed 500 million years ago
We have observed progressively more complex creatures emerge and have seen creatures die out
We have observed that man was not around until fairly recently

That is what is known as Evolution

Now you are running to hide behind the safe skirt of micro-evolution which I have never disputed. You simply need to look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of that.

"Observable science" is not Science... sorry, it's actually the antithesis of Science. Science is the testing, observation and evaluation of a hypothesis. What you are calling "observable science" is merely simple observation and it's why man thought the Earth was flat and the universe revolved around the Earth.

You're simply making an observation of how things seem they should be and attaching the word "science" onto it, in order to claim your observations are truth and fact. But that's never been how Science works.
Observations are a critical part of science...always have been

We have observed the progress of evolution....that is indisputable fact
How and why evolution occurs are still theories

Evolution itself...is a FACT
 
I have a question. Why did God bury all those things that look like old bones, ya know fossils?

The fossil record is no friend to evolution. We observe species suddenly appear and suddenly disappear. There is not this never-ending transitional evidence where things are becoming other things... there should be, if that's what happened.

Boss, you and I have discussed other topics before and to me you seem an intelligent fellow with an educated and skeptical mind.

Can I ask you what you would accept as evidence for common ancestry? Would you accept DNA evidence?

Do you think your standard for accepting evidence which supports atomic theory, relativity, quantum theory, economic theories, or social theories is the same for evolutionary theories?

DNA is also not a friend to macro-evolution theory. In fact, I believe it's the primary evidence which refutes the theory better than anything we've ever learned. It is the mitochondria in the DNA which essentially prevents any organism from becoming a different genera. It is sometimes flexible enough to allow adaptive changes which can spawn new species of life within the genera. That, to date, is the only type of "evolution" that can be proven to happen.

Now this is where some people leap from micro to macro evolution and insist it's just a matter of more time... but it's not simply a matter of more time... it's a matter of numerous amino acids and enzymes which the mitochondria can't reproduce or generate through mutation or any other process we know of.

I can theoretically walk to California... that's a supported fact. I can't take that fact and claim that I can also walk to London, it just takes more time. It doesn't matter how much time I have, I can't walk to London because there is an ocean. This obstacle prevents my second theory from being valid. It may seem logical that if I can walk to California, given time, I can also walk to London.... but the fact is, there is an ocean between here and London that can't be avoided. Now.... MAYBE... someday I will discover a way to walk on water... THEN my theory might be valid. As of now, it's impossible.

That's kind of what we have in this evolution argument. MICRO-evolution happens... we can observe and test it. What doesn't happen is MACRO-evolution. There has never been any scientific evidence to prove it could have happened. They've been trying since 1859.
 
Ah yes...the classic dodge
Don't hold me to standards I demand of you

There is no other explanation for moving progressively from simple creatures to more and more complex creatures without evolution

Evolution occurred ...that is an irrefutable fact

No, the kind of evolution you believe in has never been proven to have occurred. It may have, it just hasn't been proven with Science.

I haven't dodged anything... I don't have a scientific theory on origin of life, never claimed I did. I am challenging YOUR theory and you can't back your theory up with science so you ridicule the fact that I haven't presented a better idea.... but that isn't how Science works, never has been, never will be. Sorry!

Evolution DID occur..that is a fact

It is observable SCIENCE
We have observed fossil evidence that only simple life forms existed 500 million years ago
We have observed progressively more complex creatures emerge and have seen creatures die out
We have observed that man was not around until fairly recently

That is what is known as Evolution

Now you are running to hide behind the safe skirt of micro-evolution which I have never disputed. You simply need to look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of that.

"Observable science" is not Science... sorry, it's actually the antithesis of Science. Science is the testing, observation and evaluation of a hypothesis. What you are calling "observable science" is merely simple observation and it's why man thought the Earth was flat and the universe revolved around the Earth.

You're simply making an observation of how things seem they should be and attaching the word "science" onto it, in order to claim your observations are truth and fact. But that's never been how Science works.
Observations are a critical part of science...always have been

We have observed the progress of evolution....that is indisputable fact
How and why evolution occurs are still theories

Evolution itself...is a FACT

Nope... Observation of tests and experiments are a critical part. Simple observations are not. Things are often NOT as they appear to be. Over and over throughout the history of Science, we have learned this. In fact, that is precisely WHY science was invented, to evaluate questions on some basis other than simple observance or what appears to be the case.
 
Ah yes...the classic dodge
Don't hold me to standards I demand of you

There is no other explanation for moving progressively from simple creatures to more and more complex creatures without evolution

Evolution occurred ...that is an irrefutable fact

No, the kind of evolution you believe in has never been proven to have occurred. It may have, it just hasn't been proven with Science.

I haven't dodged anything... I don't have a scientific theory on origin of life, never claimed I did. I am challenging YOUR theory and you can't back your theory up with science so you ridicule the fact that I haven't presented a better idea.... but that isn't how Science works, never has been, never will be. Sorry!

Evolution DID occur..that is a fact

It is observable SCIENCE
We have observed fossil evidence that only simple life forms existed 500 million years ago
We have observed progressively more complex creatures emerge and have seen creatures die out
We have observed that man was not around until fairly recently

That is what is known as Evolution

Now you are running to hide behind the safe skirt of micro-evolution which I have never disputed. You simply need to look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of that.

"Observable science" is not Science... sorry, it's actually the antithesis of Science. Science is the testing, observation and evaluation of a hypothesis. What you are calling "observable science" is merely simple observation and it's why man thought the Earth was flat and the universe revolved around the Earth.

You're simply making an observation of how things seem they should be and attaching the word "science" onto it, in order to claim your observations are truth and fact. But that's never been how Science works.
Observations are a critical part of science...always have been

We have observed the progress of evolution....that is indisputable fact
How and why evolution occurs are still theories

Evolution itself...is a FACT

Nope... Observation of tests and experiments are a critical part. Simple observations are not. Things are often NOT as they appear to be. Over and over throughout the history of Science, we have learned this. In fact, that is precisely WHY science was invented, to evaluate questions on some basis other than simple observance or what appears to be the case.

You have no concept of the scope of scientific research
Tests and experiments are an approximation of real life...they do not replace or take precedence over real life observations
 
No, the kind of evolution you believe in has never been proven to have occurred. It may have, it just hasn't been proven with Science.

I haven't dodged anything... I don't have a scientific theory on origin of life, never claimed I did. I am challenging YOUR theory and you can't back your theory up with science so you ridicule the fact that I haven't presented a better idea.... but that isn't how Science works, never has been, never will be. Sorry!

Evolution DID occur..that is a fact

It is observable SCIENCE
We have observed fossil evidence that only simple life forms existed 500 million years ago
We have observed progressively more complex creatures emerge and have seen creatures die out
We have observed that man was not around until fairly recently

That is what is known as Evolution

Now you are running to hide behind the safe skirt of micro-evolution which I have never disputed. You simply need to look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of that.

"Observable science" is not Science... sorry, it's actually the antithesis of Science. Science is the testing, observation and evaluation of a hypothesis. What you are calling "observable science" is merely simple observation and it's why man thought the Earth was flat and the universe revolved around the Earth.

You're simply making an observation of how things seem they should be and attaching the word "science" onto it, in order to claim your observations are truth and fact. But that's never been how Science works.
Observations are a critical part of science...always have been

We have observed the progress of evolution....that is indisputable fact
How and why evolution occurs are still theories

Evolution itself...is a FACT

Nope... Observation of tests and experiments are a critical part. Simple observations are not. Things are often NOT as they appear to be. Over and over throughout the history of Science, we have learned this. In fact, that is precisely WHY science was invented, to evaluate questions on some basis other than simple observance or what appears to be the case.

You have no concept of the scope of scientific research
Tests and experiments are an approximation of real life...they do not replace or take precedence over real life observations

Well, in science, they do.

Again, for years and years, it appeared to people that the universe revolved around the flat earth. That's what people believed because that's what people observed. Was that true? No, of course not... science came along and said, it may appear that way but here is what is really happening.

Now, back to evolution... We can look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of micro-evolution. Things DO evolve into new species from other species within their genera. That is a far cry from everything sharing a common ancestor.... which is what macro-evolution claims.
 
Ah yes...the classic dodge
Don't hold me to standards I demand of you

There is no other explanation for moving progressively from simple creatures to more and more complex creatures without evolution

Evolution occurred ...that is an irrefutable fact

No, the kind of evolution you believe in has never been proven to have occurred. It may have, it just hasn't been proven with Science.

I haven't dodged anything... I don't have a scientific theory on origin of life, never claimed I did. I am challenging YOUR theory and you can't back your theory up with science so you ridicule the fact that I haven't presented a better idea.... but that isn't how Science works, never has been, never will be. Sorry!

Evolution DID occur..that is a fact

It is observable SCIENCE
We have observed fossil evidence that only simple life forms existed 500 million years ago
We have observed progressively more complex creatures emerge and have seen creatures die out
We have observed that man was not around until fairly recently

That is what is known as Evolution

Now you are running to hide behind the safe skirt of micro-evolution which I have never disputed. You simply need to look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of that.

"Observable science" is not Science... sorry, it's actually the antithesis of Science. Science is the testing, observation and evaluation of a hypothesis. What you are calling "observable science" is merely simple observation and it's why man thought the Earth was flat and the universe revolved around the Earth.

You're simply making an observation of how things seem they should be and attaching the word "science" onto it, in order to claim your observations are truth and fact. But that's never been how Science works.
Observations are a critical part of science...always have been

We have observed the progress of evolution....that is indisputable fact
How and why evolution occurs are still theories

Evolution itself...is a FACT

Nope... Observation of tests and experiments are a critical part. Simple observations are not. Things are often NOT as they appear to be. Over and over throughout the history of Science, we have learned this. In fact, that is precisely WHY science was invented, to evaluate questions on some basis other than simple observance or what appears to be the case.

Here is all the evidence/proof you need. Keep in mind it isn't our job to explain the facts to a person like you. If you can't accept or understand it, that's not our problem. If the facts go over your head or make you feel uncomfortable, that's not our problem either. We all know where you are coming from. No amount of proof is going to make you comfortable with the fact you are related to a frog.

Universal common descent is a general descriptive theory concerning the genetic origins of living organisms (though not the ultimate origin of life). The theory specifically postulates that all of the earth's known biota are genealogically related. Thus, universal common ancestry entails the transformation of one species into another and, consequently, macroevolutionary history and processes involving the origin of higher taxa. Because it is so well supported scientifically, common descent is often called the "fact of evolution" by biologists. For these reasons, proponents of special creation are especially hostile to the macroevolutionary foundation of the biological sciences. Here is the scientific evidence in favor of common descent and macroevolution. This article is specifically intended for those who are scientifically minded but, for one reason or another, have come to believe that macroevolutionary theory explains little, makes few or no testable predictions, is unfalsifiable, or has not been scientifically demonstrated.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent

Scientific Evidence and the Scientific Method

Phylogenetics introduction

Part I. A unique, historical phylogenetic tree

1. Unity of life

2. Nested hierarchies

3. Convergence of independent phylogenies

o Statistics of incongruent phylogenies

4. Transitional forms

o Reptile-birds

o Reptile-mammals

o Ape-humans

o Legged whales

o Legged seacows

5. Chronology of common ancestors

Part 2. Past history

1. Anatomical vestiges

2. Atavisms

o Whales and dolphins with hindlimbs

o Humans tails

3. Molecular vestiges

4. Ontogeny and developmental biology

o Mammalian ear bones, reptilian jaws

o Pharyngeal pouches, branchial arches

o Snake embryos with legs

o Embryonic human tail

o Marsupial eggshell and caruncle

5. Present biogeography

6. Past biogeography

o Marsupials

o Horses

o Apes and humans

Part 3. Evolutionary opportunism

1. Anatomical parahomology

2. Molecular parahomology

3. Anatomical convergence

4. Molecular convergence

5. Anatomical suboptimal function

6. Molecular suboptimal function

Part 4. Molecular evidence

1. Protein functional redundancy

2. DNA functional redundancy

3. Transposons

4. Redundant pseudogenes

5. Endogenous retroviruses

Part 5. Change

1. Genetic

2. Morphological

3. Functional

4. The strange past

5. Stages of speciation

6. Speciation events

7. Morphological rates

8. Genetic rates
 
Evolution DID occur..that is a fact

It is observable SCIENCE
We have observed fossil evidence that only simple life forms existed 500 million years ago
We have observed progressively more complex creatures emerge and have seen creatures die out
We have observed that man was not around until fairly recently

That is what is known as Evolution

Now you are running to hide behind the safe skirt of micro-evolution which I have never disputed. You simply need to look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of that.

"Observable science" is not Science... sorry, it's actually the antithesis of Science. Science is the testing, observation and evaluation of a hypothesis. What you are calling "observable science" is merely simple observation and it's why man thought the Earth was flat and the universe revolved around the Earth.

You're simply making an observation of how things seem they should be and attaching the word "science" onto it, in order to claim your observations are truth and fact. But that's never been how Science works.
Observations are a critical part of science...always have been

We have observed the progress of evolution....that is indisputable fact
How and why evolution occurs are still theories

Evolution itself...is a FACT

Nope... Observation of tests and experiments are a critical part. Simple observations are not. Things are often NOT as they appear to be. Over and over throughout the history of Science, we have learned this. In fact, that is precisely WHY science was invented, to evaluate questions on some basis other than simple observance or what appears to be the case.

You have no concept of the scope of scientific research
Tests and experiments are an approximation of real life...they do not replace or take precedence over real life observations

Well, in science, they do.

Again, for years and years, it appeared to people that the universe revolved around the flat earth. That's what people believed because that's what people observed. Was that true? No, of course not... science came along and said, it may appear that way but here is what is really happening.

Now, back to evolution... We can look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of micro-evolution. Things DO evolve into new species from other species within their genera. That is a far cry from everything sharing a common ancestor.... which is what macro-evolution claims.

We have observed macro evolution

Mammals did not exist until later in the evolutionary cycle. They either evolved from earlier species or popped out of thin air

What scientific evidence do you have to support the popped out of thin air hypothesis?
 
Now you are running to hide behind the safe skirt of micro-evolution which I have never disputed. You simply need to look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of that.

"Observable science" is not Science... sorry, it's actually the antithesis of Science. Science is the testing, observation and evaluation of a hypothesis. What you are calling "observable science" is merely simple observation and it's why man thought the Earth was flat and the universe revolved around the Earth.

You're simply making an observation of how things seem they should be and attaching the word "science" onto it, in order to claim your observations are truth and fact. But that's never been how Science works.
Observations are a critical part of science...always have been

We have observed the progress of evolution....that is indisputable fact
How and why evolution occurs are still theories

Evolution itself...is a FACT

Nope... Observation of tests and experiments are a critical part. Simple observations are not. Things are often NOT as they appear to be. Over and over throughout the history of Science, we have learned this. In fact, that is precisely WHY science was invented, to evaluate questions on some basis other than simple observance or what appears to be the case.

You have no concept of the scope of scientific research
Tests and experiments are an approximation of real life...they do not replace or take precedence over real life observations

Well, in science, they do.

Again, for years and years, it appeared to people that the universe revolved around the flat earth. That's what people believed because that's what people observed. Was that true? No, of course not... science came along and said, it may appear that way but here is what is really happening.

Now, back to evolution... We can look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of micro-evolution. Things DO evolve into new species from other species within their genera. That is a far cry from everything sharing a common ancestor.... which is what macro-evolution claims.

We have observed macro evolution

Mammals did not exist until later in the evolutionary cycle. They either evolved from earlier species or popped out of thin air

What scientific evidence do you have to support the popped out of thin air hypothesis?

One thing I can see is that they do have their arguments for why they don't believe in macro evolution well thought out. Unfortunately the scientific community says they are wrong. If they were good arguments they would have been accepted in the scientific community. For example they don't believe whales were land animals at one time. Even though the scientific community says they were.

And funny boss wants to reject the "evidence" science gives but then the arguments he uses come straight from places like Refuting Evolution chapter 5: Whale evolution? - creation.com

He loves their arguments and considers them proof but won't give science the same courtesy. Classic cherry picker.

But to a laymen like me and boss, their arguments might sound pretty good. Who am I to argue with such well thought out arguments? I mean, it does sound crazy to think that whales once walked around on land. What do I know? I don't know shit. But what I do know is that science calls bullshit on these arguments and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know who's got an agenda and who's basing their beliefs on facts, logic, evidence, reason and consensus.

Religion has held back science so much and religion has been so wrong on so many things for so long, that now that we've debunked 99% of their "beliefs", I don't find it necessary to PROVE to them the 1% we can't prove. In a way they are no longer holding us back. Instead they are challenging us to not be comfortable settling on what we THINK we already know. After all we could be wrong.
 
Now you are running to hide behind the safe skirt of micro-evolution which I have never disputed. You simply need to look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of that.

"Observable science" is not Science... sorry, it's actually the antithesis of Science. Science is the testing, observation and evaluation of a hypothesis. What you are calling "observable science" is merely simple observation and it's why man thought the Earth was flat and the universe revolved around the Earth.

You're simply making an observation of how things seem they should be and attaching the word "science" onto it, in order to claim your observations are truth and fact. But that's never been how Science works.
Observations are a critical part of science...always have been

We have observed the progress of evolution....that is indisputable fact
How and why evolution occurs are still theories

Evolution itself...is a FACT

Nope... Observation of tests and experiments are a critical part. Simple observations are not. Things are often NOT as they appear to be. Over and over throughout the history of Science, we have learned this. In fact, that is precisely WHY science was invented, to evaluate questions on some basis other than simple observance or what appears to be the case.

You have no concept of the scope of scientific research
Tests and experiments are an approximation of real life...they do not replace or take precedence over real life observations

Well, in science, they do.

Again, for years and years, it appeared to people that the universe revolved around the flat earth. That's what people believed because that's what people observed. Was that true? No, of course not... science came along and said, it may appear that way but here is what is really happening.

Now, back to evolution... We can look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of micro-evolution. Things DO evolve into new species from other species within their genera. That is a far cry from everything sharing a common ancestor.... which is what macro-evolution claims.

We have observed macro evolution

Mammals did not exist until later in the evolutionary cycle. They either evolved from earlier species or popped out of thin air

What scientific evidence do you have to support the popped out of thin air hypothesis?

Human beings have existed for about 2.4m years. Homo sapiens have only existed for 6% of that time – about 150,000 years.

The first appearance of trilobites in the fossil record 521 million years ago
 
Evolution DID occur..that is a fact

It is observable SCIENCE
We have observed fossil evidence that only simple life forms existed 500 million years ago
We have observed progressively more complex creatures emerge and have seen creatures die out
We have observed that man was not around until fairly recently

That is what is known as Evolution

Now you are running to hide behind the safe skirt of micro-evolution which I have never disputed. You simply need to look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of that.

"Observable science" is not Science... sorry, it's actually the antithesis of Science. Science is the testing, observation and evaluation of a hypothesis. What you are calling "observable science" is merely simple observation and it's why man thought the Earth was flat and the universe revolved around the Earth.

You're simply making an observation of how things seem they should be and attaching the word "science" onto it, in order to claim your observations are truth and fact. But that's never been how Science works.
Observations are a critical part of science...always have been

We have observed the progress of evolution....that is indisputable fact
How and why evolution occurs are still theories

Evolution itself...is a FACT

Nope... Observation of tests and experiments are a critical part. Simple observations are not. Things are often NOT as they appear to be. Over and over throughout the history of Science, we have learned this. In fact, that is precisely WHY science was invented, to evaluate questions on some basis other than simple observance or what appears to be the case.

You have no concept of the scope of scientific research
Tests and experiments are an approximation of real life...they do not replace or take precedence over real life observations

Well, in science, they do.

Again, for years and years, it appeared to people that the universe revolved around the flat earth. That's what people believed because that's what people observed. Was that true? No, of course not... science came along and said, it may appear that way but here is what is really happening.

Now, back to evolution... We can look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of micro-evolution. Things DO evolve into new species from other species within their genera. That is a far cry from everything sharing a common ancestor.... which is what macro-evolution claims.

If you don't believe the mountains of scientific evidence that explain why evolution is a fact 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent

Why do you believe this? Refuting Evolution chapter 5: Whale evolution? - creation.com

Are you suggesting the creation link is science?

Funny you decide the evidence and reasoning science puts forward is garbage but you like the creationist arguments that we all know, even you, have no basis in fact or science.

Every argument you put forward can be countered by science. I just don't have the time each time you make a bad argument to go do the research here 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent to find the answers to your questions. I think at this point you have failed the science class buddy. Your stubborn behavior has earned you an F. But I'll give you a D because of your effort. You deserve a D. Even though I don't think you should pass the class because you clearly haven't grasp the facts well enough to understand them.

But if anyone is going to debunk evolution, it'll be you guys. Good luck.
 
Now you are running to hide behind the safe skirt of micro-evolution which I have never disputed. You simply need to look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of that.

"Observable science" is not Science... sorry, it's actually the antithesis of Science. Science is the testing, observation and evaluation of a hypothesis. What you are calling "observable science" is merely simple observation and it's why man thought the Earth was flat and the universe revolved around the Earth.

You're simply making an observation of how things seem they should be and attaching the word "science" onto it, in order to claim your observations are truth and fact. But that's never been how Science works.
Observations are a critical part of science...always have been

We have observed the progress of evolution....that is indisputable fact
How and why evolution occurs are still theories

Evolution itself...is a FACT

Nope... Observation of tests and experiments are a critical part. Simple observations are not. Things are often NOT as they appear to be. Over and over throughout the history of Science, we have learned this. In fact, that is precisely WHY science was invented, to evaluate questions on some basis other than simple observance or what appears to be the case.

You have no concept of the scope of scientific research
Tests and experiments are an approximation of real life...they do not replace or take precedence over real life observations

Well, in science, they do.

Again, for years and years, it appeared to people that the universe revolved around the flat earth. That's what people believed because that's what people observed. Was that true? No, of course not... science came along and said, it may appear that way but here is what is really happening.

Now, back to evolution... We can look at the silver fox and polar bear for examples of micro-evolution. Things DO evolve into new species from other species within their genera. That is a far cry from everything sharing a common ancestor.... which is what macro-evolution claims.

We have observed macro evolution

Mammals did not exist until later in the evolutionary cycle. They either evolved from earlier species or popped out of thin air

What scientific evidence do you have to support the popped out of thin air hypothesis?

Turns out Boss isn't alone.

PRINCETON, NJ -- More than four in 10 Americans continue to believe that God created humans in their present form 10,000 years ago, a view that has changed little over the past three decades. Half of Americans believe humans evolved, with the majority of these saying God guided the evolutionary process. However, the percentage who say God was not involved is rising.

An overwhelming majority of the scientific community accepts evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity. Nearly every scientific society, representing hundreds of thousands of scientists, has issued statements rejecting intelligent design and a petition supporting the teaching of evolutionary biology was endorsed by 72 US Nobel Prize winners. Additionally, US courts have ruled in favor of teaching evolution in science classrooms, and against teaching creationism, in numerous cases such as Edwards v. Aguillard, Hendren v. Campbell, McLean v. Arkansas and Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District.

There are religious sects and denominations in several countries for whom the theory of evolution is in conflict with creationism that is central to their dogma, and who therefore reject it: in the United States, the Muslim world, South Africa, India, South Korea, Singapore, the Philippines, and Brazil.

Why is it the USA is so stupid and lumped in with these other ignorant countries you ask? Evolution Less Accepted in U.S. Than Other Western Countries, Study Finds
People in the United States are much less likely to accept Darwin's idea that humans and apes share a common ancestor than adults in other Western nations, a number of surveys show.

A new study of those surveys suggests that the main reason for this lies in a unique confluence of religion, politics, and the public understanding of biological science in the United States.
 
Researchers compared the results of past surveys of attitudes toward evolution taken in the U.S. since 1985 and similar surveys in Japan and 32 European countries.

In the U.S., only 14 percent of adults thought that evolution was "definitely true," while about a third firmly rejected the idea.

In European countries, including Denmark, Sweden, and France, more than 80 percent of adults surveyed said they accepted the concept of evolution.

The proportion of western European adults who believed the theory "absolutely false" ranged from 7 percent in Great Britain to 15 percent in the Netherlands.

The only country included in the study where adults were more likely than Americans to reject evolution was Turkey.
 
The U.S. has a tradition of Protestant fundamentalism not found in Europe that takes the Bible literally and sees the Book of Genesis as an accurate account of the creation of human life.
 
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