The Stupid Lie called The Theory of Evolution

[sealybobo]

What about a duck billed platipus?

What about him?

Stuck in between a mammal and duck

 

[Boss]

I made a thread once, it was, if the universe was created by God, because you believe the universe is so complex it HAD to have been created by higher being, then who created God?

And basically it came down to the same fob offs that are being presented here.

Explain what you mean by "created God?"

I believe the universe is so finely-tuned that it couldn't have been produced by random chance and mathematics supports me on that... which is why many are now speculating about multiple universes.

But besides that... How can physical nature create itself? It simply defies basic principles of logic.

 

[Hollie]

Your appeals to magic, supernaturalism and alleged spirit realms are a poor substitute for the discipline of science.

You're going on Ignore because every thread you engage in, you repeat the same tired old lines. I'm extremely bored with you.

That's poor cricket laddie. To turn tail and run when you're unable to support your claims to magical spirit realms is cowardly.

 

[sealybobo]

Swing and a miss on your part

Explain how only simple creatures existed 500 million years ago and how we got to where we are today without the use of evolution

Again.... You are not supporting your theory.... you are asking ME for a counter theory. That is simply not how Science works. There is nothing in the Scientific Method about pulling shit like this.

Over and over and over again, throughout history... mankind has looked around at the universe and made speculations based on how things appeared to be. When Chris Columbus was trying to get funding to sail around the globe, he was laughed at by people who said... you're going to sail off the edge of the Earth! He said... No, I believe the Earth is round... they laughed again.... Impossible! They said... if the Earth was round the water would all run off! You see... people justified what they believed to be true because it seemed to be the way things were.

And this is exactly WHY we invented Science.... so that we can objectively ask questions and evaluate testing of hypothesis through experiments and with mathematics and such. With the Enlightenment, we began to LEARN that things aren't always as they appear to be. Just because it makes sense in your mind that everything had to evolve from some single cell of life doesn't mean a thing... it's your belief, that's all. It's you speculating based on how things appear to be.... but that's NOT SCIENCE!

So you continue to point to your speculation and charge that if I can't formulate some better explanation, that MUST be true! It's no different than when people believed the Earth was flat.

Ah yes...the classic dodge
Don't hold me to standards I demand of you

There is no other explanation for moving progressively from simple creatures to more and more complex creatures without evolution

Evolution occurred ...that is an irrefutable fact

Unless God plopped down two adult humans giraffe cats bears wolves pigs alligators snakes deer mice fish shark spiders ants mosquitoes Beatle dolphin dinosaurs and they all procreated from there. That is the only possible thing they could be suggesting as a counter argument to evolution.

Even people who don't believe the God stories still for some reason believe God exists. Now that's a brainwash.

Religious people say the devil's greatest trick was to convince people he doesn't exist. I'm sorry but the greatest trick was convincing so many that God is real.

But we are such a young new species. Dolphins have been here a million or more years than humans.

 

[Boss]

Those are the sciences behind macro evolution. So glad you poo poo those sciences without studying them all in depth.

Now neither have I but I have no bias or reason to doubt. Macro evolution doesn't contradict or offend my belief. I had no prior belief. I certainly won't hear arguments from people who believe in magic spiritual supernatural non physical gods who put us here for some special reason.

Eventually you'll drop this dumb argument and fall back on God planted the initial seed that created all life. That fits your generic God theory but points out you're no better than a whale, who used to walk on
Everyone knows that.

I am all FOR Science... when are you ever going to show me some and shut up running your mouth about religions and God? And your MYTH about "walking whales" is just that... a MYTH. They discovered prehistoric whales which had what APPEARED TO BE an arm.... problem was, it coincides with the modern whale who has a similar bony appendage thought to be used in reproduction which interestingly... is NOT attached to the animal's vertebrae. Now.... how the fuck do you figure something can WALK with limbs unattached to the vertebrae?

What about a duck billed platipus?
...
Stuck in between a mammal and duck

It is a semiaquatic egg-laying mammal... not stuck between anything.

AGAAIN... Like the Flat Earthers.... you are going on how things appear to you and NOT using Science.

 

[sealybobo]

Sort of like I tell you with your God theory. It sucks worse than evolution or the big bang but that doesn't stop you.

Yes you do need a counter theory. Otherwise you're just an ignorant skeptic embarrassed to tell us what you believe because it'll leave you with zero credibility

No, you really DON'T need a counter theory... sorry you think that... you're ignorant of science.

Find me anything from any reputable science source that states theories become valid in absence of a better theory?

Now... for the record, what I believe happened is this... Spiritual Nature created physical nature (because it cannot create itself) and it did so with such precision it enabled the creation of carbon and the basis for all organic life. The same as physical nature was created, Spiritual Nature also created life. I believe it created thousands of forms of life which were interdependent and interconnected. Of those forms of life, other species of life were spawned and some forms became extinct.

This is not a scientific theory, it is what I believe. It doesn't refute your theory or invalidate it. Your theory still has to stand on it's own merit, regardless of my beliefs. If you don't have sufficient evidence to support your theory, it is of no value to your theory to denigrate my beliefs. Lack of evidence to support your theory means that what you and I have are essentially the same thing... beliefs in faith.

The thing about Science is, it doesn't deal with beliefs in faith.

I listed 4 fields of study that all collectively say macro evolution is most likely what happened.

But I won't discard the possibility 4 different types of life evolved from 4 separate sources. Some stayed fish some became birds some reptiles some amphibians and some mammals.

You must agree all land life once lived in the water, right? Otherwise you're suggesting this spirit created adult men and bird and snakes and frogs. Adult first? That's where you lose your science for your religion

 

[Boss]

Unless God plopped down two adult humans giraffe cats bears wolves pigs alligators snakes deer mice fish shark spiders ants mosquitoes Beatle dolphin dinosaurs and they all procreated from there. That is the only possible thing they could be suggesting as a counter argument to evolution.

No one has to come up with another explanation, dipshit.... how many times do I have to say that? The lack of another credible theory does not make your theory valid... there is absolutely NOTHING in Science that says such a thing... it's absolutely ludicrous.

Make your case for YOUR theory on IT'S merit!

 

[Hollie]

I made a thread once, it was, if the universe was created by God, because you believe the universe is so complex it HAD to have been created by higher being, then who created God?

And basically it came down to the same fob offs that are being presented here.

Explain what you mean by "created God?"

I believe the universe is so finely-tuned that it couldn't have been produced by random chance and mathematics supports me on that... which is why many are now speculating about multiple universes.

But besides that... How can physical nature create itself? It simply defies basic principles of logic.

Ah. Why couldn't you simply be honest and acknowledge you're a YEC'ist?

The finely tuned universe™ slogan is a staple of the YEC'ist cabal. Unfortunately for you Henry Morris groupies, it makes no sense.

The fact is, most of the universe is profoundly and utterly hostile to human / bioligical life. And even in this tiny corner of the universe where chance has conspired to make human life possible, the planet Earth is at best indifferent to human life, and at worst actively hostile.

It is a patently false claim of the religious fundamentalists regarding the silly “finely tuned universe", nonsense. The illusion of finely tuned ™ is primarily an artifact of scale (and subjective religious dogma). We live in a profoundly violent and chaotic universe, but are spared direct experience with most of that violence and chaos because it occurs on cosmic and geologic time scales, while we exist on a human time scale. This (luckily for us) means most of us expend our lifetimes in the brief moments of calm between supernovae, asteroid impact, and cometary bombardment.

 

[Boss]

Sort of like I tell you with your God theory. It sucks worse than evolution or the big bang but that doesn't stop you.

Yes you do need a counter theory. Otherwise you're just an ignorant skeptic embarrassed to tell us what you believe because it'll leave you with zero credibility

No, you really DON'T need a counter theory... sorry you think that... you're ignorant of science.

Find me anything from any reputable science source that states theories become valid in absence of a better theory?

Now... for the record, what I believe happened is this... Spiritual Nature created physical nature (because it cannot create itself) and it did so with such precision it enabled the creation of carbon and the basis for all organic life. The same as physical nature was created, Spiritual Nature also created life. I believe it created thousands of forms of life which were interdependent and interconnected. Of those forms of life, other species of life were spawned and some forms became extinct.

This is not a scientific theory, it is what I believe. It doesn't refute your theory or invalidate it. Your theory still has to stand on it's own merit, regardless of my beliefs. If you don't have sufficient evidence to support your theory, it is of no value to your theory to denigrate my beliefs. Lack of evidence to support your theory means that what you and I have are essentially the same thing... beliefs in faith.

The thing about Science is, it doesn't deal with beliefs in faith.

I listed 4 fields of study that all collectively say macro evolution is most likely what happened.

But I won't discard the possibility 4 different types of life evolved from 4 separate sources. Some stayed fish some became birds some reptiles some amphibians and some mammals.

You must agree all land life once lived in the water, right? Otherwise you're suggesting this spirit created adult men and bird and snakes and frogs. Adult first? That's where you lose your science for your religion

No they don't... "fields of study" don't SAY a goddamn thing... Individuals in fields of study may... but there are currently 148 variations of theories on Abiogenesis! So no... EVERYBODY is not saying the same thing. Again... you RUN from Science and appeal to popularity! That's NOT Science. Sorry!

And by the fucking way... "Most likely what happened" is not "proven scientific fact" by a long stretch. It is a SPECULATION..... go look that word up, it's kinda big, you may not understand what it means!

 

[sealybobo]

Those are the sciences behind macro evolution. So glad you poo poo those sciences without studying them all in depth.

Now neither have I but I have no bias or reason to doubt. Macro evolution doesn't contradict or offend my belief. I had no prior belief. I certainly won't hear arguments from people who believe in magic spiritual supernatural non physical gods who put us here for some special reason.

Eventually you'll drop this dumb argument and fall back on God planted the initial seed that created all life. That fits your generic God theory but points out you're no better than a whale, who used to walk on
Everyone knows that.

I am all FOR Science... when are you ever going to show me some and shut up running your mouth about religions and God? And your MYTH about "walking whales" is just that... a MYTH. They discovered prehistoric whales which had what APPEARED TO BE an arm.... problem was, it coincides with the modern whale who has a similar bony appendage thought to be used in reproduction which interestingly... is NOT attached to the animal's vertebrae. Now.... how the fuck do you figure something can WALK with limbs unattached to the vertebrae?

What about a duck billed platipus?
...
Stuck in between a mammal and duck

It is a semiaquatic egg-laying mammal... not stuck between anything.

AGAAIN... Like the Flat Earthers.... you are going on how things appear to you and NOT using Science.

Do you honestly want to start discussing palpontology, evolutionary developmental biology, comparative genomics and genomic phylostratigraphy? I don't. But if we did you'd see mountains of evidence.

You already told us what you think. We see the problem. It's you

 

[Hollie]

Sort of like I tell you with your God theory. It sucks worse than evolution or the big bang but that doesn't stop you.

Yes you do need a counter theory. Otherwise you're just an ignorant skeptic embarrassed to tell us what you believe because it'll leave you with zero credibility

No, you really DON'T need a counter theory... sorry you think that... you're ignorant of science.

Find me anything from any reputable science source that states theories become valid in absence of a better theory?

Now... for the record, what I believe happened is this... Spiritual Nature created physical nature (because it cannot create itself) and it did so with such precision it enabled the creation of carbon and the basis for all organic life. The same as physical nature was created, Spiritual Nature also created life. I believe it created thousands of forms of life which were interdependent and interconnected. Of those forms of life, other species of life were spawned and some forms became extinct.

This is not a scientific theory, it is what I believe. It doesn't refute your theory or invalidate it. Your theory still has to stand on it's own merit, regardless of my beliefs. If you don't have sufficient evidence to support your theory, it is of no value to your theory to denigrate my beliefs. Lack of evidence to support your theory means that what you and I have are essentially the same thing... beliefs in faith.

The thing about Science is, it doesn't deal with beliefs in faith.

I listed 4 fields of study that all collectively say macro evolution is most likely what happened.

But I won't discard the possibility 4 different types of life evolved from 4 separate sources. Some stayed fish some became birds some reptiles some amphibians and some mammals.

You must agree all land life once lived in the water, right? Otherwise you're suggesting this spirit created adult men and bird and snakes and frogs. Adult first? That's where you lose your science for your religion

No they don't... "fields of study" don't SAY a goddamn thing... Individuals in fields of study may... but there are currently 148 variations of theories on Abiogenesis! So no... EVERYBODY is not saying the same thing. Again... you RUN from Science and appeal to popularity! That's NOT Science. Sorry!

And by the fucking way... "Most likely what happened" is not "proven scientific fact" by a long stretch. It is a SPECULATION..... go look that word up, it's kinda big, you may not understand what it means!

"Spirit realms of the gods" is a much better explanation for the diversity of life on the planet.

 

[Boss]

Those are the sciences behind macro evolution. So glad you poo poo those sciences without studying them all in depth.

Now neither have I but I have no bias or reason to doubt. Macro evolution doesn't contradict or offend my belief. I had no prior belief. I certainly won't hear arguments from people who believe in magic spiritual supernatural non physical gods who put us here for some special reason.

Eventually you'll drop this dumb argument and fall back on God planted the initial seed that created all life. That fits your generic God theory but points out you're no better than a whale, who used to walk on
Everyone knows that.

I am all FOR Science... when are you ever going to show me some and shut up running your mouth about religions and God? And your MYTH about "walking whales" is just that... a MYTH. They discovered prehistoric whales which had what APPEARED TO BE an arm.... problem was, it coincides with the modern whale who has a similar bony appendage thought to be used in reproduction which interestingly... is NOT attached to the animal's vertebrae. Now.... how the fuck do you figure something can WALK with limbs unattached to the vertebrae?

What about a duck billed platipus?
...
Stuck in between a mammal and duck

It is a semiaquatic egg-laying mammal... not stuck between anything.

AGAAIN... Like the Flat Earthers.... you are going on how things appear to you and NOT using Science.

Do you honestly want to start discussing palpontology, evolutionary developmental biology, comparative genomics and genomic phylostratigraphy? I don't. But if we did you'd see mountains of evidence.

You already told us what you think. We see the problem. It's you

Yes, I would prefer you back up your scientific arguments with scientific evidence and not your bloviating opinions on religion and God. I would rather you actually acknowledge Science and what Science does as opposed to throwing up straw men left and right to deflect from the fact you can't support your theory.

 

[sealybobo]

Sort of like I tell you with your God theory. It sucks worse than evolution or the big bang but that doesn't stop you.

Yes you do need a counter theory. Otherwise you're just an ignorant skeptic embarrassed to tell us what you believe because it'll leave you with zero credibility

No, you really DON'T need a counter theory... sorry you think that... you're ignorant of science.

Find me anything from any reputable science source that states theories become valid in absence of a better theory?

Now... for the record, what I believe happened is this... Spiritual Nature created physical nature (because it cannot create itself) and it did so with such precision it enabled the creation of carbon and the basis for all organic life. The same as physical nature was created, Spiritual Nature also created life. I believe it created thousands of forms of life which were interdependent and interconnected. Of those forms of life, other species of life were spawned and some forms became extinct.

This is not a scientific theory, it is what I believe. It doesn't refute your theory or invalidate it. Your theory still has to stand on it's own merit, regardless of my beliefs. If you don't have sufficient evidence to support your theory, it is of no value to your theory to denigrate my beliefs. Lack of evidence to support your theory means that what you and I have are essentially the same thing... beliefs in faith.

The thing about Science is, it doesn't deal with beliefs in faith.

I listed 4 fields of study that all collectively say macro evolution is most likely what happened.

But I won't discard the possibility 4 different types of life evolved from 4 separate sources. Some stayed fish some became birds some reptiles some amphibians and some mammals.

You must agree all land life once lived in the water, right? Otherwise you're suggesting this spirit created adult men and bird and snakes and frogs. Adult first? That's where you lose your science for your religion

No they don't... "fields of study" don't SAY a goddamn thing... Individuals in fields of study may... but there are currently 148 variations of theories on Abiogenesis! So no... EVERYBODY is not saying the same thing. Again... you RUN from Science and appeal to popularity! That's NOT Science. Sorry!

And by the fucking way... "Most likely what happened" is not "proven scientific fact" by a long stretch. It is a SPECULATION..... go look that word up, it's kinda big, you may not understand what it means!

When 99% disagree with you, ya rong

 

[frigidweirdo]

Sort of like I tell you with your God theory. It sucks worse than evolution or the big bang but that doesn't stop you.

Yes you do need a counter theory. Otherwise you're just an ignorant skeptic embarrassed to tell us what you believe because it'll leave you with zero credibility

No, you really DON'T need a counter theory... sorry you think that... you're ignorant of science.

Find me anything from any reputable science source that states theories become valid in absence of a better theory?

Now... for the record, what I believe happened is this... Spiritual Nature created physical nature (because it cannot create itself) and it did so with such precision it enabled the creation of carbon and the basis for all organic life. The same as physical nature was created, Spiritual Nature also created life. I believe it created thousands of forms of life which were interdependent and interconnected. Of those forms of life, other species of life were spawned and some forms became extinct.

This is not a scientific theory, it is what I believe. It doesn't refute your theory or invalidate it. Your theory still has to stand on it's own merit, regardless of my beliefs. If you don't have sufficient evidence to support your theory, it is of no value to your theory to denigrate my beliefs. Lack of evidence to support your theory means that what you and I have are essentially the same thing... beliefs in faith.

The thing about Science is, it doesn't deal with beliefs in faith.

I listed 4 fields of study that all collectively say macro evolution is most likely what happened.

But I won't discard the possibility 4 different types of life evolved from 4 separate sources. Some stayed fish some became birds some reptiles some amphibians and some mammals.

You must agree all land life once lived in the water, right? Otherwise you're suggesting this spirit created adult men and bird and snakes and frogs. Adult first? That's where you lose your science for your religion

No they don't... "fields of study" don't SAY a goddamn thing... Individuals in fields of study may... but there are currently 148 variations of theories on Abiogenesis! So no... EVERYBODY is not saying the same thing. Again... you RUN from Science and appeal to popularity! That's NOT Science. Sorry!

And by the fucking way... "Most likely what happened" is not "proven scientific fact" by a long stretch. It is a SPECULATION..... go look that word up, it's kinda big, you may not understand what it means!

When 99% disagree with you, ya rong

Galileo...........

 

[Boss]

When 99% disagree with you, ya rong

Appeal to popularity again... NOT Science.

I'm disappointed in you, Flat Earther!

 

[Boss]

Galileo...........

Exactly! 99% disagreed with Galileo and they were WRONG!

 

[rightwinger]

Unless God plopped down two adult humans giraffe cats bears wolves pigs alligators snakes deer mice fish shark spiders ants mosquitoes Beatle dolphin dinosaurs and they all procreated from there. That is the only possible thing they could be suggesting as a counter argument to evolution.

No one has to come up with another explanation, dipshit.... how many times do I have to say that? The lack of another credible theory does not make your theory valid... there is absolutely NOTHING in Science that says such a thing... it's absolutely ludicrous.

Make your case for YOUR theory on IT'S merit!

It is not a theory, it is a reality

Simple creatures have evolved into more complex creatures. Man did not frolic with the trilobites

 

[sealybobo]

Sort of like I tell you with your God theory. It sucks worse than evolution or the big bang but that doesn't stop you.

Yes you do need a counter theory. Otherwise you're just an ignorant skeptic embarrassed to tell us what you believe because it'll leave you with zero credibility

No, you really DON'T need a counter theory... sorry you think that... you're ignorant of science.

Find me anything from any reputable science source that states theories become valid in absence of a better theory?

Now... for the record, what I believe happened is this... Spiritual Nature created physical nature (because it cannot create itself) and it did so with such precision it enabled the creation of carbon and the basis for all organic life. The same as physical nature was created, Spiritual Nature also created life. I believe it created thousands of forms of life which were interdependent and interconnected. Of those forms of life, other species of life were spawned and some forms became extinct.

This is not a scientific theory, it is what I believe. It doesn't refute your theory or invalidate it. Your theory still has to stand on it's own merit, regardless of my beliefs. If you don't have sufficient evidence to support your theory, it is of no value to your theory to denigrate my beliefs. Lack of evidence to support your theory means that what you and I have are essentially the same thing... beliefs in faith.

The thing about Science is, it doesn't deal with beliefs in faith.

I listed 4 fields of study that all collectively say macro evolution is most likely what happened.

But I won't discard the possibility 4 different types of life evolved from 4 separate sources. Some stayed fish some became birds some reptiles some amphibians and some mammals.

You must agree all land life once lived in the water, right? Otherwise you're suggesting this spirit created adult men and bird and snakes and frogs. Adult first? That's where you lose your science for your religion

No they don't... "fields of study" don't SAY a goddamn thing... Individuals in fields of study may... but there are currently 148 variations of theories on Abiogenesis! So no... EVERYBODY is not saying the same thing. Again... you RUN from Science and appeal to popularity! That's NOT Science. Sorry!

And by the fucking way... "Most likely what happened" is not "proven scientific fact" by a long stretch. It is a SPECULATION..... go look that word up, it's kinda big, you may not understand what it means!

"Spirit realms of the gods" is a much better explanation for the diversity of life on the planet.

At this point he doesn't know because he doesn't want to know.

And I don't know about young earth but he certainly believes the probability a God poofed adult creatures into existence is an equally probable outcome as evolution

 

[sealybobo]

Galileo...........

Exactly! 99% disagreed with Galileo and they were WRONG!

You'll never be proven right. There's no science behind you.

You're no Galileo

 

[Boss]

Ah yes...the classic dodge
Don't hold me to standards I demand of you

There is no other explanation for moving progressively from simple creatures to more and more complex creatures without evolution

Evolution occurred ...that is an irrefutable fact

No, the kind of evolution you believe in has never been proven to have occurred. It may have, it just hasn't been proven with Science.

I haven't dodged anything... I don't have a scientific theory on origin of life, never claimed I did. I am challenging YOUR theory and you can't back your theory up with science so you ridicule the fact that I haven't presented a better idea.... but that isn't how Science works, never has been, never will be. Sorry!