The Socialist Plan

[Contumacious]

No, this thread is about the American people and the fact that we're sick of being ripped off and abused by the wealthy.

There is no incentive to get off of welfare because for many people available jobs (if there are any) do not pay a fair wage.

They have a choice:

1. Find a job, work your butt off to make someone else wealthy, live in abject poverty at a standard that's beneath that of a slave.

2. Live off of welfare, at the expense of the same wealthy people who would enslave you.

You're standard of living is about the same either way.

In most cases, if working paid a living wage, the vast majority would rather work. But that's not an option.

Many select #2 - and in a weird way, they are just being capitalists!

Your dear leader just ensured more jobs leaving with the TPP...............

Your dear leader has halted foreign investment, like the Key Stone Pipeline that would have given that opportunity to some.........

Your dear leader has blocked permits in Federal Land that would do the same.............

Perhaps you need to vote for someone else.........

Finally, those capable of working should work if able..............irregardless if it is better to stay on Welfare or not.............because it is the right thing to do................unless they have a mentality like you...........

I'm not for the TPP or the other Free Trade deals sending our jobs offshore.........never have been........I'm also not for those who would rather sit on their ass when capable of working even if it's being a garbage man..........

There is a significant difference between our mentalities..............we cannot sustain this level of spending and it needs to stop.

First of all, conservatives support TPP, not liberals. That's another topic entirely. Try not to lose control and rant...

Secondly, while I agree that every able bodied person should work, I also believe that everyone should receive a fair wage based on the value of their productivity, not on the minimum that an employer is willing to pay based on market conditions.

Third, we can afford this and much greater spending levels because the American workers have produced enough wealth to pay for it easily. Unfortunately, control of all of tat wealth has gone to the wealthiest 0.01% instead of to those that earned it. (Actually, it's not the fault of the 0.01% that the rest of America is dumb as shit, but still stealing from the stupid is wrong.)

The problem lies with workers being grossly underpaid for many years, and the wealthy abandoning America in order to take advantage of the cheap labor overseas.

Capitalism isn't patriotic, hotshit. And the rich don't give a fuck about the price of labor, only their investment returns which is where their money is, not in shoe factories overseas.

Your right, capitalists are not patriotic, which is exactly why I don't want capitalists running my government.

The fact is that most capitalists are insulated from the realties of capitalism and the inherent responsibilities.

In grammar school I learned that there is no such thing as freedom without responsibility. Unfortunately, most capitalists did not take that lesson to heart.

Full employment in capitalism is 5% unemployment. Now you know. And if you're going to spew Marxism, fucking learn it first.

CAPITALISM DOES NOT DEFINE FULL EMPLOYMENT - 5% IS A FASCIST GOAL.

LEARN OR SHUT THE FUCK UP.


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[PaintMyHouse]

Cavemen knew that ice cubes melt, but they weren't scientists now were they?

It is a matter of perspective. Please stop all of you!!!!

It is nothing like a matter of perspective. That's utter bullshit.

You are arguing with an engineer about science. WTF do you think he is going to say? Must you persist? Really?

I'm arguing with a human fucking calculator who thinks he knows deep-shit about anything because he drives a nice (leased) car. He's already shown he can't follow a rational line of thought like Hey, science isn't just pulling out a ruler to check on the size of his tiny (100K a year) dick, science could be trying to figure out how the cavemen figured out they could carry fire with them or start one in the first place, no fucking ruler required.

Actually I own a 2009 Chevy HHR. You really like to talk about things that you have no knowledge of don't you?

I choose to save my money to insure that my son's can graduate college debt free.

Good, first smart thing you've said, even though it's all about you, as usual.

 

[Richard-H]

No, this thread is about the American people and the fact that we're sick of being ripped off and abused by the wealthy.

There is no incentive to get off of welfare because for many people available jobs (if there are any) do not pay a fair wage.

They have a choice:

1. Find a job, work your butt off to make someone else wealthy, live in abject poverty at a standard that's beneath that of a slave.

2. Live off of welfare, at the expense of the same wealthy people who would enslave you.

You're standard of living is about the same either way.

In most cases, if working paid a living wage, the vast majority would rather work. But that's not an option.

Many select #2 - and in a weird way, they are just being capitalists!

Your dear leader just ensured more jobs leaving with the TPP...............

Your dear leader has halted foreign investment, like the Key Stone Pipeline that would have given that opportunity to some.........

Your dear leader has blocked permits in Federal Land that would do the same.............

Perhaps you need to vote for someone else.........

Finally, those capable of working should work if able..............irregardless if it is better to stay on Welfare or not.............because it is the right thing to do................unless they have a mentality like you...........

I'm not for the TPP or the other Free Trade deals sending our jobs offshore.........never have been........I'm also not for those who would rather sit on their ass when capable of working even if it's being a garbage man..........

There is a significant difference between our mentalities..............we cannot sustain this level of spending and it needs to stop.

First of all, conservatives support TPP, not liberals. That's another topic entirely. Try not to lose control and rant...

Secondly, while I agree that every able bodied person should work, I also believe that everyone should receive a fair wage based on the value of their productivity, not on the minimum that an employer is willing to pay based on market conditions.

Third, we can afford this and much greater spending levels because the American workers have produced enough wealth to pay for it easily. Unfortunately, control of all of tat wealth has gone to the wealthiest 0.01% instead of to those that earned it. (Actually, it's not the fault of the 0.01% that the rest of America is dumb as shit, but still stealing from the stupid is wrong.)

The problem lies with workers being grossly underpaid for many years, and the wealthy abandoning America in order to take advantage of the cheap labor overseas.

Capitalism isn't patriotic, hotshit. And the rich don't give a fuck about the price of labor, only their investment returns which is where their money is, not in shoe factories overseas.

Your right, capitalists are not patriotic, which is exactly why I don't want capitalists running my government.

The fact is that most capitalists are insulated from the realties of capitalism and the inherent responsibilities.

In grammar school I learned that there is no such thing as freedom without responsibility. Unfortunately, most capitalists did not take that lesson to heart.

Full employment in capitalism is 5% unemployment. Now you know. And if you're going to spew Marxism, fucking learn it first.

And can you make a single fucking post without referring to yourself you giant fucking ego? Just make your goddamned point and move along.

I've never read Marx.

Millionaires may be satisfied with 5% employment, but the 5% unemployed certainly are not.

Of course, per the constitution, the government is responsible for the welfare of all the American people, not a select few.

 

[Contumacious]

Your dear leader just ensured more jobs leaving with the TPP...............

Your dear leader has halted foreign investment, like the Key Stone Pipeline that would have given that opportunity to some.........

Your dear leader has blocked permits in Federal Land that would do the same.............

Perhaps you need to vote for someone else.........

Finally, those capable of working should work if able..............irregardless if it is better to stay on Welfare or not.............because it is the right thing to do................unless they have a mentality like you...........

I'm not for the TPP or the other Free Trade deals sending our jobs offshore.........never have been........I'm also not for those who would rather sit on their ass when capable of working even if it's being a garbage man..........

There is a significant difference between our mentalities..............we cannot sustain this level of spending and it needs to stop.

First of all, conservatives support TPP, not liberals. That's another topic entirely. Try not to lose control and rant...

Secondly, while I agree that every able bodied person should work, I also believe that everyone should receive a fair wage based on the value of their productivity, not on the minimum that an employer is willing to pay based on market conditions.

Third, we can afford this and much greater spending levels because the American workers have produced enough wealth to pay for it easily. Unfortunately, control of all of tat wealth has gone to the wealthiest 0.01% instead of to those that earned it. (Actually, it's not the fault of the 0.01% that the rest of America is dumb as shit, but still stealing from the stupid is wrong.)

The problem lies with workers being grossly underpaid for many years, and the wealthy abandoning America in order to take advantage of the cheap labor overseas.

Capitalism isn't patriotic, hotshit. And the rich don't give a fuck about the price of labor, only their investment returns which is where their money is, not in shoe factories overseas.

Your right, capitalists are not patriotic, which is exactly why I don't want capitalists running my government.

The fact is that most capitalists are insulated from the realties of capitalism and the inherent responsibilities.

In grammar school I learned that there is no such thing as freedom without responsibility. Unfortunately, most capitalists did not take that lesson to heart.

There is a big difference between Capitalism and Croney Capitalism.....................and Socialism isn't the answer to correct our problem if it destroys our currency in the process.

The United States has been socialist since the beginning of the 20th century, and we have done quite well.

The fact that you've been raised on the BIG LIE that the U.S. is a capitalist country is where the problem is.

The real question isn't about being socialist or non-socialist, it's about the degree of socialism.

Everytime we partially un-socalize we have an economic catastrophe (like in 1929 and 2008).

YOU SUBHUMAN PIECE OF CRAP.


THE 1929 CRASHED WAS CAUSED BY THE "PROGRESSIVE" ENTITY KNOWN AS THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD.

THE FASCISTS NATIONALIZED BANKING AND CREDIT IN 1913 CAUSING THE US TO DECLARE BANKRUPTCY IN 1935. ABOLISH THE FUCKING THING. MOVE TO A FASCIST / SOCIALIST PARADISE AND TAKE COMRADE BERNARD WITH YOU.


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[PaintMyHouse]

I've never read Marx.

That goes without saying, dumbfuck, so just STFU until you understand Marxism, capitalism, or any other economic system. You're a fucking waste of time.

 

[Contumacious]

I've never read Marx.

That goes without saying, dumbfuck, so just STFU until you understand Marxism, capitalism, or any other economic system. You're a fucking waste of time.

The pot calling the kettle black.


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[PaintMyHouse]

Your dear leader just ensured more jobs leaving with the TPP...............

Your dear leader has halted foreign investment, like the Key Stone Pipeline that would have given that opportunity to some.........

Your dear leader has blocked permits in Federal Land that would do the same.............

Perhaps you need to vote for someone else.........

Finally, those capable of working should work if able..............irregardless if it is better to stay on Welfare or not.............because it is the right thing to do................unless they have a mentality like you...........

I'm not for the TPP or the other Free Trade deals sending our jobs offshore.........never have been........I'm also not for those who would rather sit on their ass when capable of working even if it's being a garbage man..........

There is a significant difference between our mentalities..............we cannot sustain this level of spending and it needs to stop.

First of all, conservatives support TPP, not liberals. That's another topic entirely. Try not to lose control and rant...

Secondly, while I agree that every able bodied person should work, I also believe that everyone should receive a fair wage based on the value of their productivity, not on the minimum that an employer is willing to pay based on market conditions.

Third, we can afford this and much greater spending levels because the American workers have produced enough wealth to pay for it easily. Unfortunately, control of all of tat wealth has gone to the wealthiest 0.01% instead of to those that earned it. (Actually, it's not the fault of the 0.01% that the rest of America is dumb as shit, but still stealing from the stupid is wrong.)

The problem lies with workers being grossly underpaid for many years, and the wealthy abandoning America in order to take advantage of the cheap labor overseas.

Capitalism isn't patriotic, hotshit. And the rich don't give a fuck about the price of labor, only their investment returns which is where their money is, not in shoe factories overseas.

Your right, capitalists are not patriotic, which is exactly why I don't want capitalists running my government.

The fact is that most capitalists are insulated from the realties of capitalism and the inherent responsibilities.

In grammar school I learned that there is no such thing as freedom without responsibility. Unfortunately, most capitalists did not take that lesson to heart.

There is a big difference between Capitalism and Croney Capitalism.....................and Socialism isn't the answer to correct our problem if it destroys our currency in the process.

The United States has been socialist since the beginning of the 20th century, and we have done quite well.

The fact that you've been raised on the BIG LIE that the U.S. is a capitalist country is where the problem is.

The real question isn't about being socialist or non-socialist, it's about the degree of socialism.

Everytime we partially un-socalize we have an economic catastrophe (like in 1929 and 2008).

Learn what a Mixed-Economy is, and just shut up about everything else you goddamned child.

 

[kiwiman127]

First off let me say I am skipping the word democrat for this argument mainly because it's NOT true. Bernie IS a socialist so ANY plan of his follows socialist policy. HIS leadership in the polls and in drawing crowds speaks to the death of the democratic party as THEY call themselves.

Now for the last two weeks socialists they have been telling you just how awful the Trump plan is with it cutting taxes to zero on first jobbers and cutting taxes to newly marrieds so if they are making 50k or less NO taxes. And cutting taxes to the folks that make those new jobs? NEVER in the socialist world.

So lets look at the socialist Sanders Plan shall we?

Okay the source is the Wall Street Journal a paper KNOW for its ability to read and forecast economy fluxes.

18 TRILLION more then DOUBLES existing debt. Where does this money come from? Well about 24% or there about now comes from money we BORROW from China. So if we don't have the money to run things now where is the money then?

It seems that part of the Sanders plan is MISSING. Its kind of important that a plan ANY plan has a fund source right?

FREE Medicare... Nice idea but if NOBODY pays Medicare where do doctors/nurses/hospitals and clinics get their money?

FREE Retirement..... If you don't invest in your OWN retirement who does? And id they DON'T pay into where is theirs? Where is the mystery money coming from?

FREE Infrastructure... roads/highways/electric and water delivered for free? That would be a trick worthy of Harry Houdini. Its just going to appear out of thin air.

FREE College... How are you going to pay the teachers let alone keep the lights on in the buildings? He's NOT saying and he needs to.

FREE Family Leave...Again nice idea but WHO is going to support that family for six months? Where is their rent or utilities bill money coming from? And the car payment/insurance and gas? Whose paying that?

FREE Pension Fund.... Now THIS gets a bit confusing. IF you have FREE retirement FREE education and FREE medical plus FREE Infrastructure what's the pension for?

FREE Jobs Program.... We HAVE a FREE Jobs program, its called the EMPLOYMENT office. So you have your FREE College education but you are still to stupid to scan the paper OR the net? got it.

The Sanders socialist economic plan leaves me with TWO questions.

1, Where is THAT money?

2, Where have I seen a "cradle to grave" plan before?

Thoughts?

My thought is, at least study a topic you are going to post about and don't use hyper-partisan resources
You did neither and this one of the worst OPs I have witnesses in the 20 years that I have participated in political forums.
Congratulations!

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Cavemen knew that ice cubes melt, but they weren't scientists now were they?

They were if they were watching it as a scientist would. Science is a process, not a title you dumbfuck. All they had to do to be doing science was observe, a fundamental part of the process, which you would know if you weren't such a dogmatic fucking moron.

Bullshit. Everyone observes, but scientists do it in a calculated methodical way. They take measurements. That's the difference between proof and bullshit opinions.

Measurements are not required, dumbass.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Cavemen knew that ice cubes melt, but they weren't scientists now were they?

It is a matter of perspective. Please stop all of you!!!!

It is nothing like a matter of perspective. That's utter bullshit.

You are arguing with an engineer about science. WTF do you think he is going to say? Must you persist? Really?

I'm arguing with a human fucking calculator who thinks he knows deep-shit about anything because he drives a nice (leased) car. He's already shown he can't follow a rational line of thought like Hey, science isn't just pulling out a ruler to check on the size of his tiny (100K a year) dick, science could be trying to figure out how the cavemen figure out they could carry fire with them or start one in the first place, no fucking ruler required.

You clearly have no idea what science is. Archeologists do take an awful lot of measurements before making any hypothesis about anything before making any hypothesis. That's called the scientific method. Most of us learned that in high school. Where were you?

Kicking your ass, dumbshit because what you learned about science was dead wrong. It doesn't require a fighting ruler.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Cavemen knew that ice cubes melt, but they weren't scientists now were they?

They were if they were watching it as a scientist would. Science is a process, not a title you dumbfuck. All they had to do to be doing science was observe, a fundamental part of the process, which you would know if you weren't such a dogmatic fucking moron.

"Scientists" watched canon balls fly through the air for centuries and concluded that their trajectory was a right triangle with the 90 angle where the ball landed. It wasn't until measurements were taken that they confirmed the trajectory was a parabola.

Bullshit. No scientist thought that, nor did even the most casual observer. You fail, dumbshit.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And, yes, it is a matter of perspective. You do not have the monopoly on truth

The fuck I don't. If anyone does then I do, I test everything, everything, I have that kind of mind and always have.

And yet you go on page after page whether or not science requires measurement without getting anywhere. Not very intelligent from my point of view, but that's just my opinion.

Your opinion is noted, and rejected like that of these other fucking morons who have no clue what the fuck they are talking about. Science isn't a ruler, and never has been. That's just one piece of it.

 

[Vigilante]

Cavemen knew that ice cubes melt, but they weren't scientists now were they?

They were if they were watching it as a scientist would. Science is a process, not a title you dumbfuck. All they had to do to be doing science was observe, a fundamental part of the process, which you would know if you weren't such a dogmatic fucking moron.

"Scientists" watched canon balls fly through the air for centuries and concluded that their trajectory was a right triangle with the 90 angle where the ball landed. It wasn't until measurements were taken that they confirmed the trajectory was a parabola.

Bullshit. No scientist thought, nor did even the most casual observer. You fail, dumbshit.

This bullshit from a Commie bastard that doesn't know the difference between an armistice, and a peace treaty!.... He's a paid Leftist troll, and not a very good one, at that!

 

[Richard-H]

Well, the jokes on me! I've spent the night arguing with a bunch of morons that don't even know what the scientific method is, much less more complex concepts like socialism and capitalism, when I could have been playing guitar.

Goodnight, I'm going to watch T.V. with the wife now. I have work tomorrow.

But, just as a parting thought:

I am no dove. But as a general rule of thumb:

If back in 2002, you supported the invasion of Iraq, you should seriously consider staying out of politics and doing this country a favor by not voting. The invasion of Iraq was dumb as shit and those who supported it were either dumb as shit or anti-American. Why don't you leave politics to the smart people? The ones that have some possible understanding? It is very complicated.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Cavemen knew that ice cubes melt, but they weren't scientists now were they?

They were if they were watching it as a scientist would. Science is a process, not a title you dumbfuck. All they had to do to be doing science was observe, a fundamental part of the process, which you would know if you weren't such a dogmatic fucking moron.

"Scientists" watched canon balls fly through the air for centuries and concluded that their trajectory was a right triangle with the 90 angle where the ball landed. It wasn't until measurements were taken that they confirmed the trajectory was a parabola.

Bullshit. No scientist thought, nor did even the most casual observer. You fail, dumbshit.

This bullshit from a Commie bastard that doesn't know the difference between an armistice, and a peace treaty!.... He's a paid Leftist troll, and not a very good one, at that!

I know and that's still fucking semantics when not a single shot has been fired in 62 fuckin' years!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

First off let me say I am skipping the word democrat for this argument mainly because it's NOT true. Bernie IS a socialist...

Nope. Bernie Sanders is an elected Independent who caucuses with the Democrats.

 

[Contumacious]

Your dear leader just ensured more jobs leaving with the TPP...............

Your dear leader has halted foreign investment, like the Key Stone Pipeline that would have given that opportunity to some.........

Your dear leader has blocked permits in Federal Land that would do the same.............

Perhaps you need to vote for someone else.........

Finally, those capable of working should work if able..............irregardless if it is better to stay on Welfare or not.............because it is the right thing to do................unless they have a mentality like you...........

I'm not for the TPP or the other Free Trade deals sending our jobs offshore.........never have been........I'm also not for those who would rather sit on their ass when capable of working even if it's being a garbage man..........

There is a significant difference between our mentalities..............we cannot sustain this level of spending and it needs to stop.

First of all, conservatives support TPP, not liberals. That's another topic entirely. Try not to lose control and rant...

Secondly, while I agree that every able bodied person should work, I also believe that everyone should receive a fair wage based on the value of their productivity, not on the minimum that an employer is willing to pay based on market conditions.

Third, we can afford this and much greater spending levels because the American workers have produced enough wealth to pay for it easily. Unfortunately, control of all of tat wealth has gone to the wealthiest 0.01% instead of to those that earned it. (Actually, it's not the fault of the 0.01% that the rest of America is dumb as shit, but still stealing from the stupid is wrong.)

The problem lies with workers being grossly underpaid for many years, and the wealthy abandoning America in order to take advantage of the cheap labor overseas.

Capitalism isn't patriotic, hotshit. And the rich don't give a fuck about the price of labor, only their investment returns which is where their money is, not in shoe factories overseas.

Your right, capitalists are not patriotic, which is exactly why I don't want capitalists running my government.

The fact is that most capitalists are insulated from the realties of capitalism and the inherent responsibilities.

In grammar school I learned that there is no such thing as freedom without responsibility. Unfortunately, most capitalists did not take that lesson to heart.

Full employment in capitalism is 5% unemployment. Now you know. And if you're going to spew Marxism, fucking learn it first.

And can you make a single fucking post without referring to yourself you giant fucking ego? Just make your goddamned point and move along.

I've never read Marx.

Millionaires may be satisfied with 5% employment, but the 5% unemployed certainly are not.

Of course, per the constitution, the government is responsible for the welfare of all the American people, not a select few.

IN REAL LIFE, ONLY THE LIBERTARIANS WILL DEVOUR THOSE WHO TRY TO ENSLAVE US.



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[Vigilante]

First off let me say I am skipping the word democrat for this argument mainly because it's NOT true. Bernie IS a socialist...

Nope. Bernie Sanders is an elected Independent who caucuses with the Democrats.

Liberalism....the fucking morons actually BELIEVE what they write!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

If back in 2002, you supported the invasion of Iraq, you should seriously consider staying out of politics and doing this country a favor by not voting. The invasion of Iraq was dumb as shit and those who supported it were either dumb as shit or anti-American. Why don't you leave politics to the smart people? The ones that have some possible understanding? It is very complicated.

What a crazy argument

 

[Contumacious]

Well, the jokes on me! I've spent the night arguing with a bunch of morons that don't even know what the scientific method is, much less more complex concepts like socialism and capitalism, when I could have been playing guitar.

Goodnight, I'm going to watch T.V. with the wife now. I have work tomorrow.

But, just as a parting thought:

I am no dove. But as a general rule of thumb:

If back in 2002, you supported the invasion of Iraq, you should seriously consider staying out of politics and doing this country a favor by not voting. The invasion of Iraq was dumb as shit and those who supported it were either dumb as shit or anti-American. Why don't you leave politics to the smart people? The ones that have some possible understanding? It is very complicated.

AGREE THAT THE IRAQI INVASION WAS DUMB AS SHIT. BUT YOU SUPPORT FASCISM - SO YOU MUST TAKE THE GOOD WITH THE BAD. YOUR BOY OBAMA IS ALSO CONTROLLED BY THE WAR PARTY.


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