The Self Inflicted Rise and Fall of Donald J Trump, as of Today

The narcissistic orange blob is leveraged to his eyeballs. The war chest is filled with money donated by his base:

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His base was plenty big on November 3, 2020. The Demonrats ran all the Republican monitors off and pulled out conveniently-hidden phoney ballots at 3 am the morning of the 4th to allegedly beat Trump who had been ahead in most states before those panic boxes were open--all with pre-written in the same handwriting Biden "votes." You guys think you pulled a fast ones. Your deep state creeps do it again, and we'll be voting but not with ballots.
 
His base was plenty big on November 3, 2020. The Demonrats ran all the Republican monitors off and pulled out conveniently-hidden phoney ballots at 3 am the morning of the 4th to allegedly beat Trump who had been ahead in most states before those panic boxes were open--all with pre-written in the same handwriting Biden "votes." You guys think you pulled a fast ones. Your deep state creeps do it again, and we'll be voting but not with ballots.
You can't win by lying.
 
Umm okay, I’ll “deal” with the fact lefties still suffer from TDS and are afraid of President Trump running and winning again. LOL
Hey, when Tramp starts taking donations for his Presidential Library & he steals half the money does he have to report that as income to the IRS?

Asking for a friend.
 
His base was plenty big on November 3, 2020. The Demonrats ran all the Republican monitors off and pulled out conveniently-hidden phoney ballots at 3 am the morning of the 4th to allegedly beat Trump who had been ahead in most states before those panic boxes were open--all with pre-written in the same handwriting Biden "votes." You guys think you pulled a fast ones. Your deep state creeps do it again, and we'll be voting but not with ballots.
Your whole life is a conspiracy isn't it.
 
Hey, when Tramp starts taking donations for his Presidential Library & he steals half the money does he have to report that as income to the IRS?

Asking for a friend.
LOL wow, you people sure like to fantasize about President Trump.

I guess since you’ve got nothing after five years of “Russia Russia Russia” and Mueller report, two sham impeachments that went nowhere, and some nitwit NY DA, you’ve got to start imagining future crimes.

It must really suck to suffer from chronic TDS.
 
And then, something happened. You believe I am going to say the election. Wrong! It is what Trump said and tried to do BECAUSE of the election. Enter the......as of today............ruination of DJT known as "the steal!" Democrats had orgasms over that one, along with never Trumpers, and still are. It changed the whole narrative from those who seen Trump as a sympathetic figure who are not GOP, to one of questionable character. Why? Because those who are NOT GOP who believed all of his assertions for 4 years, heard him say with such conviction that 2020 was stolen, they believed him. They believed him not because he thought it, they believed him because they knew in their heart of hearts he would deliver the evidence, and the Left would be swept off the political landscape of the United States for their transgressions. So they waited, waited, and waited more, and the whole time, Trump keeps repeating, the steal, the steal.
except that 75 million would vote for him again in a heartbeat. Obammy three is destroying the framework of our country. Trump never did that. As you stated, he pissed off the elected politicians. He didn't treat them with respect either.

The fact remains his policies were Citizen's policies. To suggest any other thing is simply stupid. Trump is as popular today as 2020. There is no other elected politician that has the balls of Trump to take on elected politicians. That was the factual draw as well. Look at a duck and call out it's a duck.
 
This will be a very unpopular thread with Conservatives, and I am a Conservative, so let me apologize in advance for probably pissing you off.

Why was DJT so popular with all of us? Because, even as a billionaire, he was one of us, spoke like we did, said things nobody ever said as a politician running for higher government, he was the closest to a regular person we ever had because he had few handlers that could filter him. When he pontificated correct or incorrect in his assertions, you knew he was not saying it for political purposes, it was actually what he thought. His actions while in office proved that he was not saying things just to get elected then backtracking, he actually meant what he said.

Why did Washington hate him, and oh yes they did!? He jumped everyone to be elected to the highest office in the land. He did not go through the system being elected 1st to lesser offices where donors could get their hooks into him. He consistently reiterated that he wanted a law where retiring congress people could not become lobbyists for a certain amount of time, and that is a no-no. His wall was so against what the elite wanted, they just couldn't stand it, but many Republicans in office could not voice their displeasure at it for fear of Trumps wrath. All on one side, and some on the other HAD to get rid of him. Their donor/lobbying people despised this man.

So to quickly finish up this segment, Russia-Russia-Russia, impeachment 1, Impeachment 2, all so laughable and proven false, look at how many votes he got for his projected 2nd term; and virtually ALL of them showed at the polls to insure their vote got cast and counted. I know I did, and I am sure most of you Conservatives did too. Trump hated? No! And trust me, that galls your people in Congress, even many on our side I might add.

Many people will roll their eyes at this assertion but with the amount of real time, in person votes he received on election day it is plain as the nose on your face; Trump, the bombastic billionaire, became a sympathetic figure to millions upon millions of people because of what Washington tried to do to him while he was in office!

And then, something happened. You believe I am going to say the election. Wrong! It is what Trump said and tried to do BECAUSE of the election. Enter the......as of today............ruination of DJT known as "the steal!" Democrats had orgasms over that one, along with never Trumpers, and still are. It changed the whole narrative from those who seen Trump as a sympathetic figure who are not GOP, to one of questionable character. Why? Because those who are NOT GOP who believed all of his assertions for 4 years, heard him say with such conviction that 2020 was stolen, they believed him. They believed him not because he thought it, they believed him because they knew in their heart of hearts he would deliver the evidence, and the Left would be swept off the political landscape of the United States for their transgressions. So they waited, waited, and waited more, and the whole time, Trump keeps repeating, the steal, the steal.

Now we consistently hear on this board and in the media, that judges are against him; that is the reason Trump can't get anywhere. As I said in another thread-------> what is one of the things Trump constantly touts at all of his rally's? He put 200, 300, or was it 400 of his CONSERVATIVE judges on the bench because Obama left many slots open for Hillary. To suggest Trump can not find one Federal jurisdiction to hear his evidence after that is patently laughable.

So how easy would it be for Trump to change his demise into a crowning glory come 2024? Does he actually have to prove the election was stolen? NOPE! All he has to prove is that one state was stolen that Biden won, and it changes the whole narrative. You pick the state----> AZ? Georgia? Penn? Any other state? Can I have a Wisconsin? All he needs is one, just one, even if it did not move him to electoral victory, because the whole country's narrative would shift from, no way.........to......they did it, and now we see how, plus they cheated to boot. We are waiting, but time is getting short. He has to about December, that is it.

I urge you to understand, that if Trump can NOT prove it, he will not get anywhere near the amount of votes he received in 2020. To non GOPers, he and his supporters sound unhinged. How can you insist something happened that forced you to almost use a coup (the Lefts words, not mine) to fix it, and yet, you can't prove it happened? Each and every time I read some facts on this board how Biden is screwing up everything, when the Left doesn't want to address it they bring up THE STEAL and giggle as the OP goes off the deep end all about how it was stolen, and yet can't produce any evidence that even a CONSERVATIVE court will address. The STEAL is a word like Racist, homophobe, mysogynist that the Left uses, and the STEAL works better than all the rest. It is unfathomable to me personally, how we CONSERVATIVES claim that we make decisions on facts and data, while the Left makes decisions on feelings along with faulty thought processes, and here we are with a total role reversal, led by GOPers.

In closing, let me ask all of you to consider a WHAT IF scenario------> WHAT IF Pence would have done what Trump asked him to do if possible? WHAT IF the GOP supported the process and the election would have been thrown out and Trump continued on? WHAT IF all of that happened, and the evidence we have in real time now was still the evidence we had with the WHAT IF scenario?

I will tell you WHAT IF THAT REALLY HAPPENED! Come November, the Democrats would be elected to a veto proof majority in the House and senate because America would be PISSED! Trumps hands would have been tied for the 1st 2 years because the Democrats would STILL be in control of the House, and no legislation would have ever gotten through Pelosi. By the 2nd 2 years, the Democratic veto proof congress would be running the country, and Trump couldn't stop anything, he would just be a figurehead, until he was IMPEACHED, and it would pass this time. Because Pence did it, he would then be impeached afterwards, and you would have a President Nancy Pelosi. Come 2024, the GOP would totally be wiped out for at least 4 to 6 years, and by that time, you probably wouldn't have much of a country left to save.

So, going forward, be careful what you wish WOULD HAVE happened. Oh sure, we can wish that Trump won. Yes, we can pray that something, anything was stolen, and Trump can prove it satisfactorily to the American public along with the courts. Be thankful that in 2022 you have the Left by the gonads, vote and kick them to the curb ASAP. But do not think that Pence and the GOP let you down by not backing Trump on that fateful day. Had they done that, for a very short term gain, we would have taken a long, long, looooooong term hosing.

As Winston Churchill once said, (at least he was credited with it, nobody knows if that is fact) America will do the wrong thing many times, but eventually they will get it right! Well Conservatives, lets get it RIGHT!
Conservative....hahahahahahahaha
 
And you Trumpers have gone nowhere for two years and multiple FAILED court challenges including SCOTUS who dropped the Multiple states lawsuit. The continued insistence of pushing a failed narrative can only hurt the party since they are trying to get past this to the future it is dumbass Trump supporters who wants to hang onto an anvil they can't solve anymore, so they stay in the past like a bunch of wild eyes dummies.

I VOTED for Trump in 2020 and still might do it again in 2024 despite his numerous flaws. But he might not even get the party nomination in 2024 if the dumbass never stops pushing a long dead stolen election narrative that the Republican Party wants to let go.

You will never win on this one (Completely dead argument) which is why you need to drop it.
The argument needed to made and it needs to be on the front page. Cheating is unacceptable. You can't win on merit, you lose. You're off base Sunset, sorry. Not sure why it bothers you that some of us feel attention is needed on the illegal harvesting epidemic. It's the only way demofks ever have a chance of winning any political office. They do not have majorities except in black cities.
 
See, that is the thing. They don't get it. Know why Rittenhouse is exonerated? Because he was in court, proved his case in front of jury of his peers, both black and white, and now he is a hero. He basically said the same type of thing Trump did.

Trump has to prove his case, not us. How can anyone want to throw out an election for President without even an actionable court case? So far anyway.

It is not rocket science. If the rolls were reversed, and they were when Hilly started screaming, GOPers would be/did laugh. That is why she/they created Russia-Russia-Russia. They got through a hoax, so it can't be that hard to prove reality, correct? We are waiting!
well ima, the judges were paid off. You know that right? Come on, you're a smart man, statistics is a conservative thing. It isn't realistic that every affidavit was denied. Not even listened to, allowed to present. No, that's unacceptable and the world needs to know it. I don't really care who of you think what you think about what I or others do with our time. It isn't anyone's concern but ours. Don't act like a demofk. It isn't becoming. And I have no problem with you posting your opinion. Just know, we don't give a shit.
 
Yes, I pointed that out in detail in another thread showing what the 12th amendment says where he has no such power to do, thus Trump and his increasingly stupid supporters never get it thus sinking lower and lower in their losing stolen election obsession and their credibility in denying what the Constitution states.

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Under Art. II, Section 1 of the Constitution, each state, as its legislature “may direct,” will “appoint” its electors. Because the six disputed states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) ran entirely fraudulent elections, and because their legislatures did not dictate fraudulent elections, there is nothing to certify, Raiklin said.

Because the six state legislatures did not authorize fraud as a basis for selecting electors, Raiklin contends, those states could not and did not validly certify their electors on Dec. 14.

“The problem is one of fraud in the inception: When fraud permeates an election, the state lacks the power to appoint electors because no law authorizes the state to act in the absence of an honest election,” Andrea Widburg noted in a Dec. 24 analysis for American Thinker. “Notably, more than 50 courts have refused to examine the mountains of evidence attesting to illegality in the elections. The cases were decided only on procedural grounds. Thus, no authority within these states has ever properly ruled upon election fraud.”
 
It must really suck to suffer from chronic TDS.
If the good poster is alluding to a Trump Duped Sycophant.....well yes, it must.
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"The Demonrats ran all the Republican monitors off and pulled out conveniently-hidden phoney ballots at 3 am the morning of the 4th to allegedly beat Trump who had been ahead in most states before those panic boxes were open--all with pre-written in the same handwriting Biden "votes.""

Well, good poster 'Beautress' right now would be an excellent opportunity...and venue....to detail what you know. And how you know it.

  • How many jurisdictions did these alleged boxes appear?
  • Which ones?
  • How many ballots were involved?
  • To what effect in that particular jurisdiction?
  • How do you know?
  • What proof do you have?
  • And if you have it....what have you done about it? Met with your two Senators or their staffers? Your Congressman? Your local FBI office? Your state's top election official? Your county sheriff?

If none of that has been done, by you or others, good poster 'beutress'....well then, to publish your accusations on an open [ublic forum is irresponsible and corrosive to the defining American practice of encouraging an free and open election process. You are damaging my country.

Corrosive accusations that are not proven, or credible evidence presented, to responsible parties .....is anti-American. It hurts America.
If one cannot prove one's allegations......then shame on those who propel this activity. Think of it as accusing your neighbor of cheating....but not having proof.

That is corrosive to your community. Duh!


You may enjoy the American 'freedom of expression'.....but, with freedom comes responsibility. And we see too many folks being irresponsible in their accusations of a stolen election.

That is corrosive to America. Duh!
 

Under Art. II, Section 1 of the Constitution, each state, as its legislature “may direct,” will “appoint” its electors. Because the six disputed states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) ran entirely fraudulent elections, and because their legislatures did not dictate fraudulent elections, there is nothing to certify, Raiklin said.

Because the six state legislatures did not authorize fraud as a basis for selecting electors, Raiklin contends, those states could not and did not validly certify their electors on Dec. 14.

“The problem is one of fraud in the inception: When fraud permeates an election, the state lacks the power to appoint electors because no law authorizes the state to act in the absence of an honest election,” Andrea Widburg noted in a Dec. 24 analysis for American Thinker. “Notably, more than 50 courts have refused to examine the mountains of evidence attesting to illegality in the elections. The cases were decided only on procedural grounds. Thus, no authority within these states has ever properly ruled upon election fraud.”
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Late Tuesday, 88 state legislators from five battleground states sent a letter to Vice President Mike Pence in which they asked him to postpone the opening and counting of Electoral College votes, currently scheduled to take place during Wednesday’s joint session of Congress, “for at least 10 days.”
 
The argument needed to made and it needs to be on the front page. Cheating is unacceptable. You can't win on merit, you lose. You're off base Sunset, sorry. Not sure why it bothers you that some of us feel attention is needed on the illegal harvesting epidemic. It's the only way demofks ever have a chance of winning any political office. They do not have majorities except in black cities.

Because it is you and others fail to realize you have LOST the argument, it doesn't matter if you are correct there isn't anything you can and many other can do about it that is why I advocate dropping it to pursue regaining the Congress and the White House where the Republicans can then open up the books to show if there was indeed election theft that ends all arguments.

It bothers me that Trump supporters don't when to stop pushing a dead narrative especially when they have lost just about every court case and SCOTUS drops the Multiple states lawsuit there is little left to push screaming stolen election narrative about it for months becomes all you have left since it has already failed.

Better to drop this dead-end concentrate on getting the Congress and the White House back instead which is a lot easier prospect than to alienate Republican voters who might say fuck you Trump supporters and vote for someone else having tired of the endless failed arguments Trump supporters promote.
 
Late Tuesday, 88 state legislators from five battleground states sent a letter to Vice President Mike Pence in which they asked him to postpone the opening and counting of Electoral College votes, currently scheduled to take place during Wednesday’s joint session of Congress, “for at least 10 days.”
Which is just common sense with all the voter fraud that needed to be investigated.
 

Under Art. II, Section 1 of the Constitution, each state, as its legislature “may direct,” will “appoint” its electors. Because the six disputed states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) ran entirely fraudulent elections, and because their legislatures did not dictate fraudulent elections, there is nothing to certify, Raiklin said.

Because the six state legislatures did not authorize fraud as a basis for selecting electors, Raiklin contends, those states could not and did not validly certify their electors on Dec. 14.

“The problem is one of fraud in the inception: When fraud permeates an election, the state lacks the power to appoint electors because no law authorizes the state to act in the absence of an honest election,” Andrea Widburg noted in a Dec. 24 analysis for American Thinker. “Notably, more than 50 courts have refused to examine the mountains of evidence attesting to illegality in the elections. The cases were decided only on procedural grounds. Thus, no authority within these states has ever properly ruled upon election fraud.”

What a stupid argument since the Vice President isn't mentioned at all, my reply in Black:

"Raiklin contends that the U.S. Constitution grants the Vice President the power to overturn a manifestly fraudulent election."

Makes a claim what the Veep can do but doesn't list it from the Constitution.

"Under Art. II, Section 1 of the Constitution, each state, as its legislature “may direct,” will “appoint” its electors. Because the six disputed states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) ran entirely fraudulent elections, and because their legislatures did not dictate fraudulent elections, there is nothing to certify, Raiklin said.

Because the six state legislatures did not authorize fraud as a basis for selecting electors, Raiklin contends, those states could not and did not validly certify their electors on Dec. 14."

Nothing about what the Veep can do, Article 2 section 1 doesn't mention the VP at all.

Raiklin is LYING here since all of the states ELECTORS in those states CERTIFIES the electors by SIGNING the official state document and sent them to the Congress which I posted about it last Sunday at
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"Pence has ZERO authority to handle the letters requests from states which are not valid anyway since those states CERTIFIED them on December 14, 2020, thus moot on what the states legislatures wanted.

Arizona Certified the Vote on December 14, 2020

Georgia Certified the Vote on December 14, 2020

Pennsylvania Certified the Vote on December 14, 2020

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"According to Raiklin, there is one person who can examine that evidence and act accordingly — Vice President Mike Pence.

“In this strange year of 2020, we may learn that the Vice President is the most powerful man in America,” Widburg noted.

Pence, who is also President of the Senate and will preside over a joint session of Congress on Jan. 6 to count electoral votes, has available to him all the evidence of fraud and irregularities the public has seen."

Again, ZERO evidence for what the Veep can do, just a lot of talk and no substance. This guy maybe a scholar but he is making a fool of himself here since he completely ignores the 12th Amendment which specifically states:

"12th Amendment​

The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

LINK

red bolding mine

That was it says not a peep about additional duties with the certificates.

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He goes on and on with supposed powers which oddly enough is never found in the Constitution as he NEVER list it:

"Because he also is briefed on classified intelligence, Pence also has information available to him that state representatives, Supreme Court justices, and other senators haven’t seen. That information would include evidence of foreign intervention in the election under President Donald Trump’s 2018 Executive Order 13848.

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe’s final report has yet to be issued, but he has already confirmed that China and Iran interfered in the Nov. 3 election.

Pence also has access to federal information about other criminal investigations, including investigations at Department of Justice, Election District Offices, FBI Field Offices, U.S. Attorneys’ Offices, the U.S. Post Office’s Postmaster, and the U.S. Post Office’s Inspector General.

Raiklin contends that this combination of information and authority means that Pence has the right to demand proper certification from the states and the “sole plenary power” to determine whether the elector appointments he receives are legitimate."

Not a fucking thing from the Constitution which is why he pursues this irrelevant argument as he KNOWS he can't cite the power from the Constitution allowing the Veep to overthrow certified electors given from the states.

Ivan Raiklin pushed a stupid claim about the Veeps unseen/unlisted powers to overthrow election results.
 

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