The season of goodwill and forgiveness?*

[Procrustes Stretched]

Should Bush pardon Scooter Libby? If I were Bush and I thought Scooter was a patriotic man I'd pardon him.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I would.

 

[Old Rocks]

Patriotism is so often the flag that scoundrels hide behind. The law is the law, patriotism is not a reason or excuse for breaking that law. Particulary when the law broken involves treason to our nation.

 

[dilloduck]

Patriotism is so often the flag that scoundrels hide behind. The law is the law, patriotism is not a reason or excuse for breaking that law. Particulary when the law broken involves treason to our nation.

The law also stated the lawbreakers can be pardoned. Patriotic? probably not-----legal ---you bet !

 

[Lycurgus]

Patriotism is so often the flag that scoundrels hide behind. The law is the law, patriotism is not a reason or excuse for breaking that law. Particulary when the law broken involves treason to our nation.

With the exception of his partisan leaning, I agree with Old rocks. Breaking the law is exactly that. Being a patriot is exactly that. The two are two different things. One dose not excuse the other. For anyone!

 

[Caligirl]

I think all the pardons are silly, it is an absurd presidential right, as silly as the turkey pardoning.

Trials are by juries of peers, and this whole presidential pardon sounds suspiciously undemocratic, inthinking, partisan, and a throwback to monarchies.

 

[WillowTree]

pardon those border agents too.

 

[dilloduck]

I think all the pardons are silly, it is an absurd presidential right, as silly as the turkey pardoning.

Trials are by juries of peers, and this whole presidential pardon sounds suspiciously undemocratic, inthinking, partisan, and a throwback to monarchies.

Juries have been known to make mistakes---I don't think it's too horribly bad to have a little executive branch recourse. Sure it will probably be abused some. It's not like the rest of democracy doesn't have it's lapses of justice.

 

[editec]

Scooter was the fall guy.

 

[Silence]

No reason to pardon him....he already commutted his sentence....besides if he pardons him, Scooter might tell all the dirty secrets of the Bush Administration.

 

[Care4all]

I think all the pardons are silly, it is an absurd presidential right, as silly as the turkey pardoning.

Trials are by juries of peers, and this whole presidential pardon sounds suspiciously undemocratic, inthinking, partisan, and a throwback to monarchies.

pardons are meant to pardon injustices....it's not what it is used for it seems....

as example....

-let's say you were serving 10 years time for prohibition law breaking...but 3 years after being there in prison, prohibition was reneged....he could be pardoned if he met other qualifications...

-All of those viet nam war draft dodgers that went to Canada were pardoned as well....to help heal the wounds, the mental wounds of those that ''stayed behind'' and the divisity among our country.

-a 19 year old in jail for 15 year sentence, for having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend of 5 years...

there are injustices that deem pardoning....imho!

merry christmas Cali!

care

 

[Lycurgus]

Juries have been known to make mistakes---I don't think it's too horribly bad to have a little executive branch recourse. Sure it will probably be abused some. It's not like the rest of democracy doesn't have it's lapses of justice.

I agree juries do make mistakes. However, when that happens the evidence should be presented to a court of law and if correct, then the previous sentence should be overturned and the person set free.

 

[Care4all]

hmmm, interesting...presidential pardon's are for those that ADMIT to their crimes...that are suffering beyond the punishment?

12 Steps to a Federal Pardon

 

[sealybobo]

pardons are meant to pardon injustices....it's not what it is used for it seems....

as example....

-let's say you were serving 10 years time for prohibition law breaking...but 3 years after being there in prison, prohibition was reneged....he could be pardoned if he met other qualifications...

-All of those viet nam war draft dodgers that went to Canada were pardoned as well....to help heal the wounds, the mental wounds of those that ''stayed behind'' and the divisity among our country.

-a 19 year old in jail for 15 year sentence, for having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend of 5 years...

there are injustices that deem pardoning....imho!

merry christmas Cali!

care

I heard a guy today making a great case for legalizing pot. 50% of the crime will go down. New tax revenue/job opportunities. Save prison space and tax dollars. Etc.

If Obama would have gotten caught and a criminal record for doing cocaine or smoking pot when he was young, he would never have become president. It can haunt a person's job opportunities the rest of their life. Don't you find it kind of hypocritical that Obama can be president even though he smoked pot but you can't be a cop if you ever got caught and charged with smoking pot? It's not fair. Many of us used drugs so its not fair to criminalize people who got caught doing what almost all of us at one point tried/did ourselves.

 

[sealybobo]

hmmm, interesting...presidential pardon's are for those that ADMIT to their crimes...that are suffering beyond the punishment?

12 Steps to a Federal Pardon

Here are some of Bush's pardons

· William Alvis III, of Flushing, Ohio. Possession of an unregistered firearm and cocaine distribution.

· John Allen Aregood of Riviera, Texas. Conspiracy to harbor and transport illegal aliens.

· Eric Charles Blanke of Parker, Colo. Counterfeiting.

· Steve Doyle Cavender of The Villages, Fla. Conspiring to import, possess, distribute and dispense marijuana.

· Marie Elena Eppens of Lynden, Wash. Conspiracy to distribute and to possess with intent to distribute marijuana.

· Lydia Lee Ferguson of Sun City, Ariz. Conspiracy to distribute and to possess with intent to distribute marijuana.

· Eduviges Duvi Gonzalez-Matsumura of Clovis, Calif. Aiding and abetting embezzlement of bank funds.

· George Clarence Greene Jr. of Gray, Ga. Mail fraud.

· James Won Hee Kang of South Barrington, Ill. Trafficking in counterfeit goods.

· Alan Stephen Maiss of Reno, Nev.

· Richard Harold Miller of Tallahassee, Fla. Conspiracy to defraud the United States.

· Delano Abraham Nixon of Neosho Rapids, Kan. Forging the endorsement on a U.S. Treasury check.

· John H. Overholt of Black Hawk, S.D. Concealment of information affecting Social Security benefits.

· Morris Keith Parker of Georgetown, S.C.

· Robert Truman Reece of Redondo Beach, Calif.

· Donald Edward Roessler of Harrison, Ohio. Embezzlement of mail matter.

· Issac Robert Toussie of Brooklyn, N.Y. False statements to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development and mail fraud.

· David Lane Woolsey of St. George, Utah. Aiding and abetting violation of the Archaeological Resources Protection Act.

 

[Angel Heart]

pardon those border agents too.

They broke the law. They filed false reports. They tried to cover it up. I'm not behind pardoning them.

As for Libby... Libby hasn't even requested one.

 

[DiveCon]

i'd rather see that farce of a conviction overturned

 

[Againsheila]

pardon those border agents too.

Amen to that!

 

[Againsheila]

Define patriot...

 

[Shadow]

i'd rather see that farce of a conviction overturned

Same here ..Libby was railroaded. He can be pardoned too,whichever...I don't care.

I agree about a Pardon for the Border Agents mentioned up thread also.