Zone1 Must a Pardon be accepted, and does accepting a pardon mean, admitting guilt?

[Seymour Flops]

Can you find a pardoning authority with that policy?
No.
Ford may have insisted on a statement of contrition. He never got it.

At the end of every presidential term there is a flurry of pardon. Everyone was requested.

The question of whether a person must ask for a pardon is outside the scope, but I'll talk about it, since it came up.

I don't know if I could find a published policy that pardons will be given unasked. But policies do not have to be in writing, nor published. I have a policy of not talking about politics at work. I never wrote it down, so if someone demanded to know my politics and I told them my policy, they might demand to see the policy. But I would not have it to show them, nor would I need to.

I wonder if every pardon that was requested was requested by the person to be pardoned?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The question of whether a person must ask for a pardon is outside the scope, but I'll talk about it, since it came up.

I don't know if I could find a published policy that pardons will be given unasked. But policies do not have to be in writing, nor published. I have a policy of not talking about politics at work. I never wrote it down, so if someone demanded to know my politics and I told them my policy, they might demand to see the policy. But I would not have it to show them, nor would I need to.

I wonder if every pardon that was requested was requested by the person to be pardoned?

It seems like I have heard of family asking for a pardon or clemency on behalf of an inmate. I can't think of anything specific. If you look at the website for your state, the governor's page will have an application with the criteria. This is for those that have already been released. I don't know what they want for the currently incarcerated.

 

[Seymour Flops]

It seems like I have heard of family asking for a pardon or clemency on behalf of an inmate. I can't think of anything specific. If you look at the website for your state, the governor's page will have an application with the criteria. This is for those that have already been released. I don't know what they want for the currently incarcerated.

I'm sure there are fifty different gubanatorial sets of criteria for those pardons.

Trump pardoned Jack Johson seventy years after his death, but I wouldn't call that an admission of guilt by the family, by Trump or certainly not by Jack himself. My understanding is that the pardon was granted specifically to right the wrong of an innocent man being convicted.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I'm sure there are fifty different gubanatorial sets of criteria for those pardons.

Trump pardoned Jack Johson seventy years after his death, but I wouldn't call that an admission of guilt by the family, by Trump or certainly not by Jack himself. My understanding is that the pardon was granted specifically to right the wrong of an innocent man being convicted.

Someone asked for it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Someone asked for it.

Could Trump himself be the one that asked for it?

Hypothetically?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Could Trump himself be the one that asked for it?

Hypothetically?

Do you think he would ever have been aware of this case without being told?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Do you think he would ever have been aware of this case without being told?

Some Democrat could have told him, "Did you hear about that n!&&3r boxer whose family tried to get a pardon from George W. and Barrack Obama? They didn't give him one, so I hope youse ain't gonna give him one!"

It's hypothetical and it's in the CDZ.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

My nephew asked me to help him get a pardon. I got the application and told him no arrests for five years, stable five year history. Letters of reference from employers, landlords, pastors, anyone else like police officers, community leaders. He said it was impossible. So, g'bye.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Some Democrat could have told him, "Did you hear about that n!&&3r boxer whose family tried to get a pardon from George W. and Barrack Obama? They didn't give him one, so I hope youse ain't gonna give him one!"

It's hypothetical and it's in the CDZ.

He still had to be told by someone.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

1) no

2) yes

 

[Seymour Flops]

He still had to be told by someone.

Correct.

Unless he read it somewhere.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Correct.

Unless he read it somewhere.

Stranger things have happened.

 

[BackAgain]

I understand the federal rule just fine. I've been trying to explain it to people who must be democrats.

You claimed that they must be requested.

I say, I deny your assertion.

And no. You cannot point to any law which says the President must be asked before his clemency power can be used.

Beyond that, I’m just chompin’ on a little popcorn.

 

[JoeB131]

I am not providing a link to every governor's office in the country and the criteria for a pardon. The Nixon pardon was done by presidential proclamation for the good of the country. The purpose of the pardon was to put a final end to everything Nixon so Ford would not be addressing Nixon issues.

And it was a horrible mistake. Nixon should have been held to account, even if he never served any jail time. We've seen subsequent presidents (Reagan, Clinton, Trump) break the law knowing that if push came to shove, they could pardon confederates or even themselves.

In 1977. Nixon expressed regret but did not admit guilt. Some Americans who watched the broadcast felt that was enough. For a man whose whole life was politics, his admission that he “let down the American people” and that he would have to carry that burden for the rest of his life may have been a greater humiliation than any confession to the crime of obstructing justice.

Nixon should have gone to jail, then we should have shipped his ass off to the Hague as a war criminal.

What you might be confused about is Burdick v. United States It was a 1915 case in which George Burdick was unilaterally given a pardon to force him to testify against codefendants. Burdick refused to testify even when offered immunity. The judge ruled that such a pardon had to accept the pardon in open court. Acceptance would be an admission of guilt. Burdick accepted nothing. Never testified and asserted his 5th amendment rights.

Good for him, but I doubt any president would issue a pardon without checking if the person wanted it.

 

[JoeB131]

The question of whether a person must ask for a pardon is outside the scope, but I'll talk about it, since it came up.

I don't know if I could find a published policy that pardons will be given unasked. But policies do not have to be in writing, nor published. I have a policy of not talking about politics at work. I never wrote it down, so if someone demanded to know my politics and I told them my policy, they might demand to see the policy. But I would not have it to show them, nor would I need to.

I wonder if every pardon that was requested was requested by the person to be pardoned?

Well, presidents and governors have pardoned people after they died, so I think you can assume those pardons weren't asked for. They are almost always in cases that were seen in retrospect as being horrible miscarriages of justice.

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[EvilCat Breath]

And it was a horrible mistake. Nixon should have been held to account, even if he never served any jail time. We've seen subsequent presidents (Reagan, Clinton, Trump) break the law knowing that if push came to shove, they could pardon confederates or even themselves.



Nixon should have gone to jail, then we should have shipped his ass off to the Hague as a war criminal.



Good for him, but I doubt any president would issue a pardon without checking if the person wanted it.

Seldom has a more obtuse poster graced this board.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Well, presidents and governors have pardoned people after they died, so I think you can assume those pardons weren't asked for. They are almost always in cases that were seen in retrospect as being horrible miscarriages of justice.

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It is the family that makes the request. Sometimes a public interest group.

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Following years of advocacy from family members and other advocates, the case gained renewed attention on the seventieth anniversary of the executions, as Virginia considered and then adopted a bill to abolish the state’s death penalty. The advocates continued to push for gubernatorial action.

The governor did not wake up one morning with an urge to pardon someone.

 

[skews13]

This keeps coming up, but it has not been intelligently debated.

I say that pardon is a presidential or gubernatorial power. Therefore, any given pardon means exactly what the president or governor says that it means.

If a pardon specifically says something like “accepting this pardon is an admission of guilt” then, of course it would be. Otherwise a pardon is a pardon and nothing more.

Wrong. A pardon means a wrong doing was forgiven. That the wrong doing was acknowledged, and remorse was shown.

You can't be pardoned for the sake of being pardoned. What's the point?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Wrong. A pardon means a wrong doing was forgiven. That the wrong doing was acknowledged, and remorse was shown.

You can't be pardoned for the sake of being pardoned. What's the point?

People are not pardoned for wrong doing, they are pardoned for being convicted of violating criminal law.

It's the way for an executive to correct a wrong by the judicial branch, or to forgive a person who has earned forgiveness, such as an ex-con who works hard for years to teach young-uns alternatives to a life of crime.

Ford's pardon of Nixon, which is the most relevant to current events was not for acknowledging wrong doing or showing remorse.

In a televised broadcast to the nation, Ford, who had succeeded to the presidency upon Nixon's resignation, explained that he felt the pardon was in the best interests of the country and that the Nixon family's situation was "a tragedy in which we all have played a part. It could go on and on and on, or someone must write the end to it. I have concluded that only I can do that, and if I can, I must."[

 

[excalibur]

Wrong. A pardon means a wrong doing was forgiven. That the wrong doing was acknowledged, and remorse was shown.

You can't be pardoned for the sake of being pardoned. What's the point?

Nope.