The roots of the rising violence in Gaza and Israel

[Ibentoken]

You're a lying propaganda punk.

Israel arrested over 500 innocent Palestinian's before the rockets started flying.

You can't change that, no matter how much Israeli ass you insist on kissing.

You want to believe propaganda, fine. You aren't going to do it here without be challenged. Liar.

 

[amity1844]

lol no need for WW III, just keep handing the bandits their asses and they scurry away like rats and roaches. Doesn't take much to send them running.

Then why does Israel now have about 100 times the amount of resistance it did in 1948? I don't see much scurrying.

 

[Ibentoken]

Is that the best you got, dipshit? That's proof of Hamas animals hiding behind civilians, as indicated in the latest round.

Just because someone is a member of Hamas, doesn't automatically make them a legal target, you piece of shit.

BTW, you didn't read the link I provided, did you? Because it stated no evidence has been presented by the Israeli's that Hamas operatives were in the houses demolished.

Hamas should be eradicated along with Hezbollah. Islam is the problem and useful idiots like you. You all are filthy trash and should be eradicated to make the world a better place.

 

[Ibentoken]

lol no need for WW III, just keep handing the bandits their asses and they scurry away like rats and roaches. Doesn't take much to send them running.

Then why does Israel now have about 100 times the amount of resistance it did in 1948? I don't see much scurrying.

What do you think Hamas and Hezbollah are for?

 

[Hollie]

The fire rockets into Israel every day basically.

They abducted 3 teens and murdered them.

They are getting it back 10 fold.................

Stop firing shit at Israel and maybe the IDF wouldn't be firing at them...


You show the disparity in the deaths. You don't show that Hamas couldn't hit the side of a barn with a rocket from the inside.

By failing to distinguish between military (Hamas) and civilian (people of Gaza) in your term "THEY," .... you are perpetuating this? Hamas can now justify still MORE rocket attacks.

Hamas has the Islamist ideologies of jihad and waqf as their justification for attacks against Israel. Those ideologies are completely separate from any claims of alleged "occupation" of any relation to civilian or non-civilian targets.

 

[Hollie]

Yes. There's no looting, murdering, and raping involved in just getting your own state peacefully, hence their lack of interest in having one via peaceful means. Allah only loves killers and thieves.

WTF are you talking about? They were trying to solve this peacefully when Israel launched into this false flag operation.

You're now reduced to goofy conspiracy theories.

 

[pbel]

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know what is the root cause of all the hostility and violence between Palestinian's and Israeli's, all you have to be is human. Which unfortunately, leaves out many Zionists, except for this one...

Rebecca Vilkomerson...who sees the reality in this conflict with clear vision.

The last several days have been devastating. The weeks leading up to it have been horrifying. Since the beginning of the Israel’s Operation Protective Edge on July 8, 2014:

- upwards of 80 Palestinians have been killed and approximately 500 wounded by Israeli missiles

- 2 Israelis have been wounded from rockets fired from Gaza.

- We have watched with sadness and anger as the deaths of children have mounted, racist mobs have rampaged, the fears of people throughout both Israel and Palestine have reached unbearable levels, and the collective punishment of the Palestinian people has intensified.

- scores of Palestinians--with no place to hide--have been killed, while the entire population of Gaza experiences the terror of widespread bombing.

- Israelis have had to endure the fear of never knowing when or where the next rocket will fall.

- What is worse, reports from Israel and...in the US are now confirming that this entire escalation was artificially created by Israeli political leaders and built on a foundation of lies.​

To end violence - and truly mourn its victims - we must acknowledge, and challenge the root causes beneath it.

The occupation, with US military and financial support, is the root cause.

The daily structural violence of the occupation systematically denies the very humanity of Arabs, while valuing Jewish lives at the expense of others.

The media is portraying the current violence as the most recent flare-up of a long running conflict between two-sides using equal force against the other. We know the truth to be different. The relative ‘calm’ in Israeli and international media for the last 7 years or so has not been calm for Palestinian communities. The ongoing occupation inflicts both direct and structural violence, making daily life and the struggle for existence into an act of resistance.

The recent and very public violence against Palestinians in the streets of Jerusalem and elsewhere did not happen in a vacuum. Anti-Palestinian bigotry is not only acceptable but a powerful political tool in Israel. Long before this latest escalation, everyday life for Palestinians meant increasing numbers of settlements taking over their lands and homes, and a web of violence and control which reached into every area of life, simply because they are not Jewish.

Those few Israelis who are bravely speaking out against their governments’ inhumane policies need to know that they have our support. Those Palestinians who are under daily assault need to know that we see them.

As Americans, and especially as Jews, we can not wait one more moment to speak up. In such a terrible moment, we must join what we feel with what we know.

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who see injustice and remain silent.

I forget who said that.....in should have been me!

Billo, Right Wing Zionists know that an Injustice is being placed on the Palestinians but theu shrug their shoulders pointing out the many injustice placed on Jews through History.Being Human to them means getting Justice by heralding past sins to justify the retackling of Israel from the people who live here. A Mass Psychoses seems to prevail of the us and them...And who can blame them? I hear stories about who lost Aunts and Uncles and I too can feel that human pain that transcends our differences...

Sadly this war is now our War in America because we Arm And Support Israel, and my neighbors got Terrorism in Boston even as this Right Wing Regime leads Israel into more Wars...without and acceptable peace supported by her
Arab and Shia neighbors, the Horde will consume them in time...
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[Billo_Really]

You're now reduced to goofy conspiracy theories.

The unity government between Fatah and Hamas, was not a conspiracy.

Netanfuckyou talking about breaking up the unity government every time he spoke to the press about the missing teenagers, was not a conspiracy.

Arresting over 500 Palestinian's who had nothing to do with the abduction of the 3 teens, is not a conspiracy.

 

[Billo_Really]

Hamas should be eradicated along with Hezbollah. Islam is the problem and useful idiots like you. You all are filthy trash and should be eradicated to make the world a better place.

You're saying I should be killed, yet you call me "filthy trash"?

 

[Billo_Really]

What do you think Hamas and Hezbollah are for?

The constituents who voted them into office.

 

[Billo_Really]

What would you do, if your neighborhood
was occupied by a foreign force?​

 

[TemplarKormac]

lol no need for WW III, just keep handing the bandits their asses and they scurry away like rats and roaches. Doesn't take much to send them running.

Then why does Israel now have about 100 times the amount of resistance it did in 1948? I don't see much scurrying.

Because they are a modernized military force, thanks to the United States. Palestine is an amalgamation of terrorist cells, rockets and machine guns.

 

[Billo_Really]

You want to believe propaganda, fine. You aren't going to do it here without be challenged. Liar.

That's not propaganda, that's the truth.

 

[TemplarKormac]

What would you do, if your neighborhood
was occupied by a foreign force?​

A slippery slope argument if I ever did see one.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You want to believe propaganda, fine. You aren't going to do it here without be challenged. Liar.

That's not propaganda, that's the truth.

Prove it.

 

[Billo_Really]

Because they are a modernized military force, thanks to the United States. Palestine is an amalgamation of terrorist cells, rockets and machine guns.

And of coarse, you don't think missile strikes against kids playing soccer, hospitals and civilian infrastructure, is state sanctioned terrorism?

 

[TemplarKormac]

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know what is the root cause of all the hostility and violence between Palestinian's and Israeli's, all you have to be is human. Which unfortunately, leaves out many Zionists, except for this one...

Rebecca Vilkomerson...who sees the reality in this conflict with clear vision.

The last several days have been devastating. The weeks leading up to it have been horrifying. Since the beginning of the Israel’s Operation Protective Edge on July 8, 2014:

- upwards of 80 Palestinians have been killed and approximately 500 wounded by Israeli missiles

- 2 Israelis have been wounded from rockets fired from Gaza.

- We have watched with sadness and anger as the deaths of children have mounted, racist mobs have rampaged, the fears of people throughout both Israel and Palestine have reached unbearable levels, and the collective punishment of the Palestinian people has intensified.

- scores of Palestinians--with no place to hide--have been killed, while the entire population of Gaza experiences the terror of widespread bombing.

- Israelis have had to endure the fear of never knowing when or where the next rocket will fall.

- What is worse, reports from Israel and...in the US are now confirming that this entire escalation was artificially created by Israeli political leaders and built on a foundation of lies.​

To end violence - and truly mourn its victims - we must acknowledge, and challenge the root causes beneath it.

The occupation, with US military and financial support, is the root cause.

The daily structural violence of the occupation systematically denies the very humanity of Arabs, while valuing Jewish lives at the expense of others.

The media is portraying the current violence as the most recent flare-up of a long running conflict between two-sides using equal force against the other. We know the truth to be different. The relative ‘calm’ in Israeli and international media for the last 7 years or so has not been calm for Palestinian communities. The ongoing occupation inflicts both direct and structural violence, making daily life and the struggle for existence into an act of resistance.

The recent and very public violence against Palestinians in the streets of Jerusalem and elsewhere did not happen in a vacuum. Anti-Palestinian bigotry is not only acceptable but a powerful political tool in Israel. Long before this latest escalation, everyday life for Palestinians meant increasing numbers of settlements taking over their lands and homes, and a web of violence and control which reached into every area of life, simply because they are not Jewish.

Those few Israelis who are bravely speaking out against their governments’ inhumane policies need to know that they have our support. Those Palestinians who are under daily assault need to know that we see them.

As Americans, and especially as Jews, we can not wait one more moment to speak up. In such a terrible moment, we must join what we feel with what we know.

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who see injustice and remain silent.

I forget who said that.....in should have been me!

A standard pro-Palestinian disproportionate force argument. Give me a break.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Because they are a modernized military force, thanks to the United States. Palestine is an amalgamation of terrorist cells, rockets and machine guns.

And of coarse, you don't think missile strikes against kids playing soccer, hospitals and civilian infrastructure, is state sanctioned terrorism?

You ignore the inhumane tactics used by Hamas to paint Israel as the bad guy. In fact, Hamas recently ordered Palestinians in the Gaza strip NOT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

Sigh, these one sided arguments are old.

 

[Billo_Really]

Prove it.

Here's the timeline of events that have transpired to date...

As Goldberg and Max Blumenthal note, the racist revenge frenzy in the Israeli political system to which Netanyahu's military escalation is purportedly responding was deliberately manufactured by Netanyahu himself.

As Goldberg recounts in the Forward:

Once the [three kidnapped Israeli yeshiva] boys' disappearance was known, troops began a massive, 18-day search-and-rescue operation, entering thousands of homes, arresting and interrogating hundreds of individuals, racing against the clock. Only on July 1, after the boys' bodies were found, did the truth come out: The government had known almost from the beginning that the boys were dead. It maintained the fiction that it hoped to find them alive as a pretext to dismantle Hamas' West Bank operations.

The initial evidence was the recording of victim Gilad Shaer's desperate cellphone call to Moked 100, Israel's 911. When the tape reached the security services the next morning -- neglected for hours by Moked 100 staff -- the teen was heard whispering "They've kidnapped me" ("hatfu oti") followed by shouts of "Heads down," then gunfire, two groans, more shots, then singing in Arabic. That evening searchers found the kidnappers' abandoned, torched Hyundai, with eight bullet holes and the boys' DNA. There was no doubt.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu immediately placed a gag order on the deaths. Journalists who heard rumors were told the Shin Bet wanted the gag order to aid the search. For public consumption, the official word was that Israel was "acting on the assumption that they're alive." It was, simply put, a lie.
[...]

[Netanyahu's] rhetoric raised expectations that after demolishing Hamas in the West Bank he would proceed to Gaza. Hamas in Gaza began preparing for it. The Israeli right -- settler leaders, hardliners in his own party -- began demanding it.

Goldberg notes that before Netanyahu's revenge propaganda campaign and his violent crackdown on Hamas supporters in the West Bank, Hamas hadn't fired a single rocket from Gaza, and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups. But, Goldberg says:

The kidnapping and crackdown upset the balance. In Israel, grief and anger over the boys' disappearance grew steadily as the fabricated mystery stretched into a second and third week. Rallies and prayer meetings were held across the country and in Jewish communities around the world. The mothers were constantly on television. One addressed the United Nations in Geneva to plead for her son's return. Jews everywhere were in anguish over the unceasing threat of barbaric Arab terror plaguing Israel.

This, too, was misleading. The last seven years have been the most tranquil in Israel's history. Terror attacks are a fraction of the level during the nightmare intifada years -- just six deaths in all of 2013. [...]

When the bodies were finally found, Israelis' anger exploded into calls for revenge, street riots and, finally, murder.

 

[Billo_Really]

You ignore the inhumane tactics used by Hamas to paint Israel as the bad guy. In fact, Hamas recently ordered Palestinians in the Gaza strip NOT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

Sigh, these one sided arguments are old.

Yeah, they do get old when you insist on arguing my point as well.