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We all know WFA is psychotic.So there was no such thing as Palestine or a Palestinian, as per the Ottoma Muslims, who controlled the land for 600 years prior to WWI. Jews were a minority because they were invaded, as opposed to Arab Muslims, who invaded, looted, pillaged land after land throughout history.im
Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. DuhIslam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people
Arafat invented them.
You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.
I don’t care.
I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.
In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.
Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..
What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?
People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.
No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.
The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.
The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.
Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.
No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.
They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.
Both articles contradict your belief:
NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post
As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.www.thejakartapost.com
The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel' - The World from PRX
The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”www.pri.org
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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc
See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.
Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.
By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.
Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.
Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58
The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.
Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.
No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.
Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.
The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.
Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58
A publication on education in greater Syria from 1882 showed that there were a total of 3,854 students in school in Jerusalem (2,768 boys and 1,086 girls) and 235 teachers.28 The number of girls in Christian schools (Evangelical, Greek Orthodox, Latin, Greek Catholic, and Armenian) were slightly more than the number of boys (926 girls to 861 boys). While the majority of these students were Christians,
four of the Evangelical schools (two for boys and two for girls) totaling 138 students exclusively taught Jews. In addition, there were 1,707 students in Jewish schools, 160 of which were girls. In the eight Muslim schools, all of which were for boys, there were 360 students. In 1891, the Government opened a general [secondary] school (Rushdiya) [sic] in our city, where all the children of the city, regardless of their religion, could attend classes in Arabic, Turkish, French, and the basic sciences.29 It was also recorded that a Muslim school for girls had been established.30
Many, many Jews lived in Damascus since before the time of Christ. Not many stayed in Palestine if they could get out.
Wrong again. The Jews maintained a presence throughout the ages, and it wasn't even called "Palestine" by the Ottomans who controlled the land for the last 600 years before WWI, who were Muslims themselves, they called it Southern Syria.
Yes. It was a province of Syria called Syria-Palestine. Have you read Ibn Battuta or Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela. Jews were a tiny minority. Look at the Quarters of the old city.