What is Israel Doing that Drive the Muslims Crazy?

[sparky]

As a British statesmen once pondered, Why can't they just settle their differences peacefully, like good Christians?

simply because they don't want to DG

~S~

 

[gipper]

So were are the Palestinians protesting against Hamas? When asked they claim to support Hamas.

Where are the Israelis protesting against the IDF for committing genocide?

 

[Ringo]

Couldn’t help noticing that in your diatribe against Jews,

"Antisemitism" is when jews behave badly and get mad at you for noticing.

 

[Lisa558]

I imagine the piglet squeal of the “progressive public” if thousands of pagers or phones exploded in Israel.... Next time you're on an airplane, think about the fact that you might be sitting next to someone, who Israel want to kill. A new toy has been pulled out of Pandora's box. State terrorism has reached a new stage.

Let's define human rights terminology: if Lebanon had detonated 5,000 bombs in Israel, it would have been an inhumane dirty animal attack, but since Israel detonated 5,000 bombs in Lebanon, it should be called self-defense in the name of gay freedoms and democracy.

And the Democrat antisemite skips right over the fact that these were the pagers of ISLAMIC TERRORIST SAVAGES. Maybe the Muslim barbarians you side with should stop planning their ongoing genocide against Jews.

But no……..it’s all the Jooooos’ fault!

 

[Lisa558]

You are forgetting that there are good Palestinians. Hamas is an example of Palestinians going evil.

The vast majority of Palestinian supported the subhuman massacre of innocent Jews - and they also supported their Islamic terrorist leaders’ refusal to accept Israel’s previous land-for-peace deals.

And WHY were Israel’s peace deals rejected? Because the goal of the majority of most Palestinians is to wipe Israel off the map - not have peace.

It is indeed infortunate for the minority of Palestinians who are decent. Too bad none of the surrounding Arab countries will take them in. That would be the most logical solution.

 

[Lisa558]

"Antisemitism" is when jews behave badly and get mad at you for noticing.

There goes the one-sided attack again. These were ISLAMIC TERRORISTS. They were the ones who initiated the war with theor savage behavior.

And there is nothing “bad” about Jews being so smart as to be able to target pagers of the Islamic terrorists plotting to kill them and disable their communications system. It’s quite brilliant in that it targets thr SAVAGES, rather than when a Muslim terrorist just walks into a Jewish grocery store and bombs innocent Jews.

You don’t get to reveal your double standards where Jews are concerned due to your antisemitism, and then claim you’re not an antisemite.

 

[Lisa558]

simply because they don't want to DG

~S~

This is true. The Palestinians turned down an earlier offer that gave them 95% of the land they demanded. Why? Because Israel conditioned it, quite reasonably, on the them accepting Israel’s right to exist. The Islamic terrorists said no.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I imagine the piglet squeal of the “progressive public” if thousands of pagers or phones exploded in Israel.... Next time you're on an airplane, think about the fact that you might be sitting next to someone, who Israel want to kill. A new toy has been pulled out of Pandora's box. State terrorism has reached a new stage.

Let's define human rights terminology: if Lebanon had detonated 5,000 bombs in Israel, it would have been an inhumane dirty animal attack, but since Israel detonated 5,000 bombs in Lebanon, it should be called self-defense in the name of gay freedoms and democracy.

if Lebanon had detonated 5,000 bombs in Israel, it would have been an inhumane dirty animal attack,

How many unguided rockets has Lebanon fired at Israel in the last year?

 

[Lisa558]

if Lebanon had detonated 5,000 bombs in Israel, it would have been an inhumane dirty animal attack,

How many unguided rockets has Lebanon fired at Israel in the last year?

The double standards by the antisemites is so blatant.

And the difference is, the Muslim terrorists detonate bombs to kill as many innocent Jews as possible. Here we have the Israeli Jews, who are both morally and mentally superior, figure out how to target JUST the Muslim terrorist savages by detonating their pagers.

It was really a brilliant and successful move. This should set back the Hezbellah terrorists many months.

P.S. did you notice how the antisemitic lib kept failing to acknowledge these were pagers of the Muslim TERRORISTS?

 

[Shusha]

Let's define human rights terminology: if Lebanon had detonated 5,000 bombs in Israel, it would have been an inhumane dirty animal attack, but since Israel detonated 5,000 bombs in Lebanon, it should be called self-defense ...

Actually, at least one prominent Israeli military commentator said the exact opposite -- that if Lebanon managed to detonate 5000 bombs targeting Israeli military it would be a perfectly legitimate attack. (Not that he thought that was even remotely possible.)

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I imagine the piglet squeal of the “progressive public” if thousands of pagers or phones exploded in Israel.... Next time you're on an airplane, think about the fact that you might be sitting next to someone, who Israel want to kill. A new toy has been pulled out of Pandora's box. State terrorism has reached a new stage.

Let's define human rights terminology: if Lebanon had detonated 5,000 bombs in Israel, it would have been an inhumane dirty animal attack, but since Israel detonated 5,000 bombs in Lebanon, it should be called self-defense in the name of gay freedoms and democracy.

How many unguided rockets has Lebanon fired at Israel in the last year?
The last 5 years? The last 10 years?

 

[Stryder50]

I watched a long video the other day that noted the concerted effort by the entire Middle-Eastern Muslim world to eradicate the Jewish State. It was claimed that this campaign has even done the previously unthinkable job of uniting Sunni and Shia (Iran and Saudi Arabia). It predicted the start of a vast regional war, which, given the interest of China and Russia, could lead to World War III, whatever that is. The biggest uncontrollable and unknown factor was - of course - whether and when Israel will get fed up with the bullshit and employ a tactical nuclear weapon. Or two.

And one wonders, what is it, exactly, that Israel is doing to provoke this intense mobilization of the surrounding community. Israel is vastly more "successful" than any of its antagonistic countries. Israel has tamed the desert, and made itself an invaluable source of innovation in a wide variety of industries..computer science, pharmaceuticals, chemicals, agriculture, and others. Americans of a certain age will recall Ronald Reagan's "Star Wars" technical initiative which we could never make work, but the Israeli's perfected it and it is now called their "Iron Dome." In contrast, the surrounding Arab/Muslim countries remain shit-holes except for the oil that Western Man discovered there, and that fuels their societies.

It is said that Israel "oppresses" its "Palestinian" population and is conducting a campaign of "genocide," both of which are, logically speaking, preposterous. If one goes back a hundred fifty years, one sees a sparsely populated desert, a backwater of the Ottoman Empire where no one would ever voluntarily live. But the early Zionists brought viable farms, communities, and prosperity that attracted Arabs from around the region for the jobs that they provided. Indeed, the vast majority of the "Palestinians" who live there now would not even be there today if it were not for the economic success of the Jews who resettled there in the hope of an eventual Zionist country. And any look at the Palestinian population over time shows the ridiculous lie of the genocide accusation.

And is Israel not entitled to defend itself? The current international dialog simply dismisses the decades long campaign of unprovoked attacks on the Jewish State, and supposes them into non-existence...attacks that continue to this very day.

Where are the other Arab states who would be willing to accept "Palestinian" refugees as citizens, if things are so bad in Israel? They expect European countries to accept THEIR expats with welcoming arms; why won't they accept Palestinians, who share a culture and a religion with them? The answer is hardly worth stating: Because Palestinians are a figurative "cancer" who spread the disease of strife and terrorism wherever they go.

A large regional war may be inevitable, but Israel's only true crimes are of existing and thriving, things that the Arabs cannot stand.

As a British statesmen once pondered, Why can't they just settle their differences peacefully, like good Christians?

The short answer is they; Jews/"Zionists"/Israel; have occupied land that many Muslims consider "theirs" and in which no other religion or ethnic is to be dominate or Rule.

The longer answer examines the background for this and we start with this;

Dar al-Harb vs. Dar al-Islam​

A crucial distinction made in Islamic theology is that between Dar al-Harb and Dar al-Islam. ...

What Do Dar al-Harb and Dar al-Islam Mean?​

To put it simply, Dar al-Harb is understood as "territory of war or chaos." This is the name for the regions where Islam does not dominate and where divine will is not observed. It is, therefore, where continuing strife is the norm.

By contrast, Dar al-Islam is a "territory of peace." This is the name for those territories where Islam does dominate and where submission to God is observed. It is where peace and tranquility reign.

The Political and Religious Complications

The distinction is not quite as simple as it may appear at first. For one thing, the division is regarded as legal rather than theological. Dar al-Harb is not separated from Dar al-Islam by things like the popularity of Islam or divine grace. Rather, it is separated by the nature of the governments which have control over a territory.

A Muslim-majority nation not ruled by Islamic law is still Dar al-Harb. A Muslim-minority nation ruled by Islamic law could qualify as being part of Dar al-Islam.
...

Dar Al-Harb vs. Dar Al-Islam: War and Peace in Islam

The difference between Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harab is extremely complicated. Explore these two Islamic terms and how they affect war and peace.

www.learnreligions.com

Divisions of the world in Islam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Within the scripture~dogma~theology of Islam there is a fundamental concept such that any land ever in the Dar al-Islam is a land that belongs FOREVER within the Dar al-Islam.

Since Islam conquered and imposed Sharia in the Levant (Israel, Palestine) roughly 1400 years ago, the change of hands to a non-Muslim Rule, i.e. the Jewish nation state is an insult and assault upon Islam and that land, Israel, must be returned into the fold of Dar al-Islam.

Other areas have a similar fate awaiting them, on the lands taken from the Dr al-Islam and which must be returned, such as Spain, most of Southern France, many parts of Southern to South-Eastern Europe, etc. But for now, primer focus and effort is towards Israel. Those other lands are later on the "to do" return-list.

Of course the Jews, especially the "Zionists" within that religion/ethnic, see the land of Israel as one they first claimed over 4000 years ago and have occupied for most of that time. Though not always with autonomy and Jewish religion and customs, and culture being dominate.

There is a further subtext backdrop here as well. Before he departed the Earthly realm, one of Muhammad's last instructions to his followers was that Allah had commanded that the whole World, all of humankind, MUST be converted to Islam. Either as believers=Muslims, or as people dominated and in submission to Islam. This can be by military force if "persuasion" doesn't work.

Icing on the cake is that Islamic concept of Paradise/Heaven is such that there are many levels, with the higher ones increasingly more luxurious, elaborate, with greater rewards and riches, etc. The more one excels in conquest, conversions, killing infidels, and/or martyrdom to the cause and advance of Islam, the higher level and greater rewards they will receive in Paradise.

Hence this motto;

NO Allah = NO Peace
KNOW Allah = KNOW Peace

 

[Stryder50]

The above is the formula - prescription to assure "Forever War" on the Planet Earth.

Care to guess what~where the origins of such are ???

 

[LilOlLady]

Hamas officials stated that the attack was a response to the Israeli occupation, blockade of the Gaza Strip, Israeli settler violence against Palestinians, restrictions on the movement of Palestinians, and imprisonment of thousands of Palestinians, whom Hamas sought to release by taking Israeli hostages.

HAMAS claims its goal is to liberate Palestinians and views Israel as an occupying power as well as an illegitimate state. In 2017, the group created a new policy document to supplement its original 1988 charter.

Key aspects of the conflict include the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the status of Jerusalem, Israeli settlements, borders, security, water rights, the permit regime, Palestinian freedom of movement, and the Palestinian right of return.

Background. The 1948 War came as the culmination of 30 years of friction between Jews and Arabs during the period of British rule of Palestine when, under the terms of the League of Nations mandate held by the British, conditions intended to lead to the creation of a Jewish National Home in the area were created.

No palestinian state, no Israeli state.

 

[Stryder50]

Hamas officials stated that the attack was a response to the Israeli occupation, blockade of the Gaza Strip, Israeli settler violence against Palestinians, restrictions on the movement of Palestinians, and imprisonment of thousands of Palestinians, whom Hamas sought to release by taking Israeli hostages.

HAMAS claims its goal is to liberate Palestinians and views Israel as an occupying power as well as an illegitimate state. In 2017, the group created a new policy document to supplement its original 1988 charter.

Key aspects of the conflict include the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the status of Jerusalem, Israeli settlements, borders, security, water rights, the permit regime, Palestinian freedom of movement, and the Palestinian right of return.

Background. The 1948 War came as the culmination of 30 years of friction between Jews and Arabs during the period of British rule of Palestine when, under the terms of the League of Nations mandate held by the British, conditions intended to lead to the creation of a Jewish National Home in the area were created.

No palestinian state, no Israeli state.

Your view of history is incomplete and false, or you are engaging intentional disinformation.

There was a "Palestinian" "solution" per the 1948 UN settlement, it was rejected by them and their Arab/Muslim supporters.
....,
EXCERPT:

On November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain under international control administered by the United Nations. The Palestinian Arabs refused to recognize this arrangement, which they regarded as favorable to the Jews and unfair to the Arab population that would remain in Jewish territory under the partition. The United States sought a middle way by supporting the United Nations resolution, but also encouraging negotiations between Arabs and Jews in the Middle East.


The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces. The Jewish forces were composed of the Haganah, the underground militia of the Jewish community in Palestine, and two small irregular groups, the Irgun, and LEHI. The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The Jews, on the other hand, hoped to gain control over the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan.
....

Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

1948 Palestine war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Note that neighboring Arab/Muslim nations, in support of the "Palestinians" attacked Israel with goal of destroying the nation of Israel and driving out of the region any Jews who were not killed during the war they started.

Having set an "All or Nothing" terms of the conflict, by usual 'rules of war' and past historical precedence, Israel had a right to also disallow the UN Partition and keep any lands in Levant/Palestine that it could take during the conflict started by it's neighbors. When a "peace" was finally declared, the state of Israel now had these boundries;

 

[Lisa558]

Hamas officials stated that the attack was a response to the Israeli occupation, blockade of the Gaza Strip, Israeli settler violence against Palestinians, restrictions on the movement of Palestinians, and imprisonment of thousands of Palestinians, whom Hamas sought to release by taking Israeli hostages.

HAMAS claims its goal is to liberate Palestinians and views Israel as an occupying power as well as an illegitimate state. In 2017, the group created a new policy document to supplement its original 1988 charter.

Key aspects of the conflict include the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the status of Jerusalem, Israeli settlements, borders, security, water rights, the permit regime, Palestinian freedom of movement, and the Palestinian right of return.

Background. The 1948 War came as the culmination of 30 years of friction between Jews and Arabs during the period of British rule of Palestine when, under the terms of the League of Nations mandate held by the British, conditions intended to lead to the creation of a Jewish National Home in the area were created.

No palestinian state, no Israeli state.

You’re defending Islamic terrorists who tortured to death 1200 innocent Jews in the most agonizing ways possible, and have abused innocent hostages for a year, most dying of starvation or other torment?!

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I watched a long video the other day that noted the concerted effort by the entire Middle-Eastern Muslim world to eradicate the Jewish State. It was claimed that this campaign has even done the previously unthinkable job of uniting Sunni and Shia (Iran and Saudi Arabia). It predicted the start of a vast regional war, which, given the interest of China and Russia, could lead to World War III, whatever that is. The biggest uncontrollable and unknown factor was - of course - whether and when Israel will get fed up with the bullshit and employ a tactical nuclear weapon. Or two.

And one wonders, what is it, exactly, that Israel is doing to provoke this intense mobilization of the surrounding community. Israel is vastly more "successful" than any of its antagonistic countries. Israel has tamed the desert, and made itself an invaluable source of innovation in a wide variety of industries..computer science, pharmaceuticals, chemicals, agriculture, and others. Americans of a certain age will recall Ronald Reagan's "Star Wars" technical initiative which we could never make work, but the Israeli's perfected it and it is now called their "Iron Dome." In contrast, the surrounding Arab/Muslim countries remain shit-holes except for the oil that Western Man discovered there, and that fuels their societies.

It is said that Israel "oppresses" its "Palestinian" population and is conducting a campaign of "genocide," both of which are, logically speaking, preposterous. If one goes back a hundred fifty years, one sees a sparsely populated desert, a backwater of the Ottoman Empire where no one would ever voluntarily live. But the early Zionists brought viable farms, communities, and prosperity that attracted Arabs from around the region for the jobs that they provided. Indeed, the vast majority of the "Palestinians" who live there now would not even be there today if it were not for the economic success of the Jews who resettled there in the hope of an eventual Zionist country. And any look at the Palestinian population over time shows the ridiculous lie of the genocide accusation.

And is Israel not entitled to defend itself? The current international dialog simply dismisses the decades long campaign of unprovoked attacks on the Jewish State, and supposes them into non-existence...attacks that continue to this very day.

Where are the other Arab states who would be willing to accept "Palestinian" refugees as citizens, if things are so bad in Israel? They expect European countries to accept THEIR expats with welcoming arms; why won't they accept Palestinians, who share a culture and a religion with them? The answer is hardly worth stating: Because Palestinians are a figurative "cancer" who spread the disease of strife and terrorism wherever they go.

A large regional war may be inevitable, but Israel's only true crimes are of existing and thriving, things that the Arabs cannot stand.

As a British statesmen once pondered, Why can't they just settle their differences peacefully, like good Christians?

This kind of lying infuriates Muslims and Arabs all over the world. If a German publicly made such a claim he'd be heavily attacked for being antisemitic and a Holocaust denier, double standards is the norm when talking about Zionism and that's why the diatribe in the OP is so ill-informed.

Israelis can literally say what they want, tell lies all day long and people accept it, the American public are amongst the worst informed people on earth when it comes to world events.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Is Lebanon committing war crimes all over Israel?

 

[LilOlLady]

You’re defending Islamic terrorists who tortured to death 1200 innocent Jews in the most agonizing ways possible, and have abused innocent hostages for a year, most dying of starvation or other torment?!

Israel created Islamic Terrorists with their years of inhumane actions against Pakistan's in Gaza, West and in Israeli.
Israel has committed war crimes against Palestinians.

• 1.1 Massacres.
• 1.2 Hostage taking. 1.2.1 Murder of hostages. 1.2.2 Killing of surrendered people.
• 1.3 Perfidy. 1.3.1 Human shields. 1.3.2 Disguising military units. 1.3.3 Medical facilities.
• 1.4 Indiscriminate rocket attacks.
• 1.5 Sexual violence and abuse.
• 1.6 Use of children.
• 1.7 Looting.
• 1.8 Attacks on civilian shipping.

AND MORE
Significant human rights issues included credible reports of: unlawful or arbitrary killings; arbitrary or unjust detention, including of Palestinians in Israel and the occupied territories; restrictions on Palestinians residing in Jerusalem including arbitrary or unlawful interference with privacy, family, and home; ...