The Right To Destroy Jewish History

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There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel'

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

A publication on education in greater Syria from 1882 showed that there were a total of 3,854 students in school in Jerusalem (2,768 boys and 1,086 girls) and 235 teachers.28 The number of girls in Christian schools (Evangelical, Greek Orthodox, Latin, Greek Catholic, and Armenian) were slightly more than the number of boys (926 girls to 861 boys). While the majority of these students were Christians,
four of the Evangelical schools (two for boys and two for girls) totaling 138 students exclusively taught Jews. In addition, there were 1,707 students in Jewish schools, 160 of which were girls. In the eight Muslim schools, all of which were for boys, there were 360 students. In 1891, the Government opened a general [secondary] school (Rushdiya) [sic] in our city, where all the children of the city, regardless of their religion, could attend classes in Arabic, Turkish, French, and the basic sciences.29 It was also recorded that a Muslim school for girls had been established.30

Many, many Jews lived in Damascus since before the time of Christ. Not many stayed in Palestine if they could get out.

Wrong again. The Jews maintained a presence throughout the ages, and it wasn't even called "Palestine" by the Ottomans who controlled the land for the last 600 years before WWI, who were Muslims themselves, they called it Southern Syria.

Yes. It was a province of Syria called Syria-Palestine. Have you read Ibn Battuta or Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela. Jews were a tiny minority. Look at the Quarters of the old city.

So there was no such thing as Palestine or a Palestinian, as per the Ottoma Muslims, who controlled the land for 600 years prior to WWI. Jews were a minority because they were invaded, as opposed to Arab Muslims, who invaded, looted, pillaged land after land throughout history.

We all know WFA is psychotic.

 

[surada]

So the British punished them by sending them to Hamburg, Germany. There, the British authorities compelled the passengers to disembark, and some were forcibly removed from the ship by clubbing them. The British then took the 4,500+ passengers, many of whom were refugees from concentration camps, and transferred to displaced person camps in Germany. The country from which they just escaped.

Seventy-four years ago, the British appeased the Arabs, denied Jews entry into the Holy Land, and sent them back to the Germany from which they had just escaped— to be guarded by Germans.



Today Great Britain and their European allies are still appeasing radical Islamists, their terrorism, their call for the destruction of the Jewish State, and the anti-Semitic hatred they teach their children. In 1947 the British physically attacked the Jews. Today they attack the Jews and Jewish history with their cowardly abstentions from U.N. votes.

The European Jews sought sanctuary in Palestine and immediately began to abuse the Palestinians.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Indeed, the Khazarian hypothesis has been debunked by virtually every field of science. For instance, historians stress that the kingdom most likely never converted to Judaism. Archaeologists excavating in the former Khazar lands have found almost no artifacts displaying Jewish symbols. Moreover, linguists point out that Yiddish — for centuries the language spoken by Eastern European Jews — is in no way similar to the vernacular used in Khazaria, nor do Jewish surnames from the last 600 years contain any link to the kingdom.

Experts in Jewish genetics have lambasted Elhaik’s “findings,” arguing that he “appears to be applying the statistics in a way that gives him different results from what everybody else has obtained from essentially similar data.” In fact, most DNA research proves precisely the opposite: namely, that European Jews are closely related to Middle Eastern populations.

The anti-Zionist argument is flawed for another major reason: that is, most Jewish Israelis are not of European descent. According to Tel Aviv University research, in 2018 only 31.8 percent of Israeli Jews self-identified as Ashkenazi (Eastern European). A significantly larger share, about 45 percent, identified as Mizrahi – an umbrella term for those Jews that fled Arab countries to nascent Israel. Israelis of Yemeni origin, for example, trace their roots in the region back to biblical times.

The fact that millions of Israeli Mizrahim are indigenous to the Middle East is indisputable.

(full article online)

'Junk Science': Ashkenazi Jews Are Not Descendants of Khazar Converts | HonestReporting

The hypothesis has been debunked by virtually every field of science. The Khazar kingdom most likely never converted to Judaism.

honestreporting.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Submarginal as these conditions were, they were immeasurably better than those of Muslim Arabs elsewhere in the Middle East. The statistics of Arab population growth were revealing: In Palestine, the increase between 1922 and 1946 was 118 percent, a rate of almost 5 percent annually, and the highest in the Arab world except for Egypt. It was not all natural increase. During those 24 years, approximately 100,000 Arabs entered the country from neighboring lands. The influx could be traced in some measure to the orderly government provided by the British, but far more, certainly, to the economic opportunities made possible by Jewish settlement.

The rise of the Yishuv benefited Arab life indirectly, by disproportionate Jewish contributions to government revenues, and thereby to increased mandatory expenditures in the Arab sector; and directly, by new markets for Arab produce and (until the civil war of 1936) employment opportunities for Arab labor. It was significant, for example, that the movement of Arabs within Palestine itself was largely to regions of Jewish concentration. Thus, Arab population increase during the 1930s was 87 percent in Haifa, 61 percent in Jaffa, 37 percent in Jerusalem. A similar growth was registered in Arab towns located near Jewish agricultural villages. The 25 percent rise of Arab participation in industry could be traced exclusively to the needs of the large Jewish immigration.

Under the Turks, Arab political life had been rudimentary and had consisted largely of maneuvers for civil office among rival effendi families [“effendi” is a Turkish title of respect, used most commonly for government officials or members of the aristocracy]. No organized nationalist movement whatever came into being until after the Armistice, when Muslim‑Christian Associations were founded in various Arab towns to protest the impending Jewish National Home. This opposition, too, was at first essentially a projection of Syrian nationalism. It followed the lead of Arab politicians in Damascus during the unsuccessful 1919‑1920 effort to establish an independent Syrian kingdom.

(full article online)

Who Are The Palestinians? | My Jewish Learning

Who are the Palestinians. Israeli Palestinian Relations. Contemporary Israel. The Jewish State. Jewish History and Community.

www.myjewishlearning.com

 

[MJB12741]

Nation in Congo, or Uganda, and Australia, where none of those places IS the Jewish homeland, and the Jews would have indeed been taking over another indigenous people's land.

Is the land of “Israel” their true ancient homeland?

Promised Land

“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.

Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Moab

From there they moved to Egypt
(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:
(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.
(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

Based on the above the “Promised Land” is not the land the Jews are occupying today. In biblical verse terms the Jews were nomads who were wonderers living off of the land grazing their sheep on the open plains.
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I find it beyond humorous, that many people who have lost the identity their ancestors had, or of a separate people, with a separate culture and history, go around forums and other places, on tv and media, telling the Jewish people that they do not know their ancient history, they are not descended from those ancient people, etc......

Exactly because they have so embraced the new culture which was basically shoved down their ancestor's throat, be they Christians or Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, even Jews.........they can only continue to embrace the hatred created by Christianity and Islam as an excuse to anything and everything which goes wrong in this world....

AS IF......things going bad, nature, humans, animals, plagues, etc......all came to be when the Judaism came to be.

It is a very sad illness, toxic to the core, and cannot be eradicated because those who practice a "solution" to all of those maladies would find themselves to be the fools...... for once all the Jews are gone, dead or converted, those problems and worse would continue to exist.

Then......they will start hunting for those who "were Jews " before and accuse them of not having left it and not being true. Yes, the Inquisition all over again.


The Right to Destroy Jewish History has never been worse at its believer's core than during and after the Holocaust.

Jews are not humans. Do NOT care about their history, the history also found in the writings of every people they dealt with, and every invader, conqueror, who to this day have not changed their history books to wipe out the Jews as a people.

NT and Koran have not wiped the Jewish people out.

But today Christians and Muslims want to do exactly that.

Am Israel Chai
The People of Israel Live

So you make these claims to justify taking ancestral lands from everybody else?? Nobody wants to wipe out the Jews. What a vile accusation. Even the Torah tells you these are your half brothers and cousins.

The Ancestral lands became Israel 3000 years ago. And then others came and took from that. One only has to read history written by the Greeks, Romans, Byzantine, etc

But the Jews are the only who remain with a non stop history on the land. All the others blended with the other populations, or moved away.


I am sorry that you still do not get what the Holocaust in Europe was about. Aided by the Husseini clan who planned on building Concentration Camps in Palestine once Germany won the war, which it did not.


Keep believing that Husseini did not want to wipe out the Jews, as the Nazis did, as he himself did in Bosnia during WWII.

What in the world would those Concentration Camps have been for?

Our Half Brothers and Cousins have committed incredible crimes against the Jewish people for
the past 2000 years. Have negated the Jewish people any form of respect. And continue to do so.

Which is exactly why Hagar and Ishmael were thrown out of Abraham's home.

You, and others, want the People of Abraham to embrace those who call themselves descendants of Ishmael, while this very people continue to look for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people as a free people.

Not even Ishmael had the audacity to attack Abraham and his tribe as revenge or feeling of superiority.

So now you blame the Mufti for the Holocaust. How much land do you justify stealing with that bit of chicanery?

You forget that Abraham has six sons with Keturah who was a Midianite Arab. Is your education really so poor or is this deliberate?

Huh? You mean Israel is stealing their own land???

 

[surada]

Nation in Congo, or Uganda, and Australia, where none of those places IS the Jewish homeland, and the Jews would have indeed been taking over another indigenous people's land.

Is the land of “Israel” their true ancient homeland?

Promised Land

“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.

Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Moab

From there they moved to Egypt
(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:
(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.
(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

Based on the above the “Promised Land” is not the land the Jews are occupying today. In biblical verse terms the Jews were nomads who were wonderers living off of the land grazing their sheep on the open plains.
-

I find it beyond humorous, that many people who have lost the identity their ancestors had, or of a separate people, with a separate culture and history, go around forums and other places, on tv and media, telling the Jewish people that they do not know their ancient history, they are not descended from those ancient people, etc......

Exactly because they have so embraced the new culture which was basically shoved down their ancestor's throat, be they Christians or Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, even Jews.........they can only continue to embrace the hatred created by Christianity and Islam as an excuse to anything and everything which goes wrong in this world....

AS IF......things going bad, nature, humans, animals, plagues, etc......all came to be when the Judaism came to be.

It is a very sad illness, toxic to the core, and cannot be eradicated because those who practice a "solution" to all of those maladies would find themselves to be the fools...... for once all the Jews are gone, dead or converted, those problems and worse would continue to exist.

Then......they will start hunting for those who "were Jews " before and accuse them of not having left it and not being true. Yes, the Inquisition all over again.


The Right to Destroy Jewish History has never been worse at its believer's core than during and after the Holocaust.

Jews are not humans. Do NOT care about their history, the history also found in the writings of every people they dealt with, and every invader, conqueror, who to this day have not changed their history books to wipe out the Jews as a people.

NT and Koran have not wiped the Jewish people out.

But today Christians and Muslims want to do exactly that.

Am Israel Chai
The People of Israel Live

So you make these claims to justify taking ancestral lands from everybody else?? Nobody wants to wipe out the Jews. What a vile accusation. Even the Torah tells you these are your half brothers and cousins.

The Ancestral lands became Israel 3000 years ago. And then others came and took from that. One only has to read history written by the Greeks, Romans, Byzantine, etc

But the Jews are the only who remain with a non stop history on the land. All the others blended with the other populations, or moved away.


I am sorry that you still do not get what the Holocaust in Europe was about. Aided by the Husseini clan who planned on building Concentration Camps in Palestine once Germany won the war, which it did not.


Keep believing that Husseini did not want to wipe out the Jews, as the Nazis did, as he himself did in Bosnia during WWII.

What in the world would those Concentration Camps have been for?

Our Half Brothers and Cousins have committed incredible crimes against the Jewish people for
the past 2000 years. Have negated the Jewish people any form of respect. And continue to do so.

Which is exactly why Hagar and Ishmael were thrown out of Abraham's home.

You, and others, want the People of Abraham to embrace those who call themselves descendants of Ishmael, while this very people continue to look for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people as a free people.

Not even Ishmael had the audacity to attack Abraham and his tribe as revenge or feeling of superiority.

So now you blame the Mufti for the Holocaust. How much land do you justify stealing with that bit of chicanery?

You forget that Abraham has six sons with Keturah who was a Midianite Arab. Is your education really so poor or is this deliberate?

Huh? You mean Israel is stealing their own land???

Nope. I have been pretty clear. The Jewish people were never the only people who lived in Palestiine for the past 2500 years.

Why are you confused?

 

[surada]

Submarginal as these conditions were, they were immeasurably better than those of Muslim Arabs elsewhere in the Middle East. The statistics of Arab population growth were revealing: In Palestine, the increase between 1922 and 1946 was 118 percent, a rate of almost 5 percent annually, and the highest in the Arab world except for Egypt. It was not all natural increase. During those 24 years, approximately 100,000 Arabs entered the country from neighboring lands. The influx could be traced in some measure to the orderly government provided by the British, but far more, certainly, to the economic opportunities made possible by Jewish settlement.

The rise of the Yishuv benefited Arab life indirectly, by disproportionate Jewish contributions to government revenues, and thereby to increased mandatory expenditures in the Arab sector; and directly, by new markets for Arab produce and (until the civil war of 1936) employment opportunities for Arab labor. It was significant, for example, that the movement of Arabs within Palestine itself was largely to regions of Jewish concentration. Thus, Arab population increase during the 1930s was 87 percent in Haifa, 61 percent in Jaffa, 37 percent in Jerusalem. A similar growth was registered in Arab towns located near Jewish agricultural villages. The 25 percent rise of Arab participation in industry could be traced exclusively to the needs of the large Jewish immigration.

Under the Turks, Arab political life had been rudimentary and had consisted largely of maneuvers for civil office among rival effendi families [“effendi” is a Turkish title of respect, used most commonly for government officials or members of the aristocracy]. No organized nationalist movement whatever came into being until after the Armistice, when Muslim‑Christian Associations were founded in various Arab towns to protest the impending Jewish National Home. This opposition, too, was at first essentially a projection of Syrian nationalism. It followed the lead of Arab politicians in Damascus during the unsuccessful 1919‑1920 effort to establish an independent Syrian kingdom.

(full article online)

Who Are The Palestinians? | My Jewish Learning

Who are the Palestinians. Israeli Palestinian Relations. Contemporary Israel. The Jewish State. Jewish History and Community.

www.myjewishlearning.com

Yes. The Zionists always claim hordes of Arabs moved in after they arrived. Its the land without people for a people without land lie.

The population of Palestine doubled in about 15 years with 600,000 non Arabic speaking Europeans.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Submarginal as these conditions were, they were immeasurably better than those of Muslim Arabs elsewhere in the Middle East. The statistics of Arab population growth were revealing: In Palestine, the increase between 1922 and 1946 was 118 percent, a rate of almost 5 percent annually, and the highest in the Arab world except for Egypt. It was not all natural increase. During those 24 years, approximately 100,000 Arabs entered the country from neighboring lands. The influx could be traced in some measure to the orderly government provided by the British, but far more, certainly, to the economic opportunities made possible by Jewish settlement.

The rise of the Yishuv benefited Arab life indirectly, by disproportionate Jewish contributions to government revenues, and thereby to increased mandatory expenditures in the Arab sector; and directly, by new markets for Arab produce and (until the civil war of 1936) employment opportunities for Arab labor. It was significant, for example, that the movement of Arabs within Palestine itself was largely to regions of Jewish concentration. Thus, Arab population increase during the 1930s was 87 percent in Haifa, 61 percent in Jaffa, 37 percent in Jerusalem. A similar growth was registered in Arab towns located near Jewish agricultural villages. The 25 percent rise of Arab participation in industry could be traced exclusively to the needs of the large Jewish immigration.

Under the Turks, Arab political life had been rudimentary and had consisted largely of maneuvers for civil office among rival effendi families [“effendi” is a Turkish title of respect, used most commonly for government officials or members of the aristocracy]. No organized nationalist movement whatever came into being until after the Armistice, when Muslim‑Christian Associations were founded in various Arab towns to protest the impending Jewish National Home. This opposition, too, was at first essentially a projection of Syrian nationalism. It followed the lead of Arab politicians in Damascus during the unsuccessful 1919‑1920 effort to establish an independent Syrian kingdom.

(full article online)

Who Are The Palestinians? | My Jewish Learning

Who are the Palestinians. Israeli Palestinian Relations. Contemporary Israel. The Jewish State. Jewish History and Community.

www.myjewishlearning.com

Yes. The Zionists always claim hordes of Arabs moved in after they arrived. Its the land without people for a people without land lie.

The population of Palestine doubled in about 15 years with 600,000 non Arabic speaking Europeans.

It doubled because the Jew hating Brits let Arabs migrate illegally while the legal immigration of Jews was nearly halted.

Let us look at history:

As late as 1882, the Arab population of Palestine barely reached 260,000. Yet by 1914 this number had doubled, and by 1920 it had reached 600,000. Under the mandate, the figure grew even more dramatically, climbing to 840,000 by 1931, and representing 81 percent of the country’s inhabitants.

Approximately 75,000 of the Palestine Arabs were Christian, heavily impacted [that is, tightly packed] in the urban areas, comparatively literate, and widely employed at the middle and lower echelons of the mandatory administration. The Muslim Arabs — the majority — were [much less economically and institutionally developed]. Fully 70 percent of them lived on the soil, mainly in the hilly northern and central regions of the country, where they raised grains, vegetables, olive oil, and tobacco.

A 1922 census revealed that a third of the Arab farmers were fellahin — tenant sharecroppers — whose average plot rarely exceeded 100 dunams (25 acres). Endlessly indebted to their landlords, to whom they paid a rent of from 33 to 50 percent of their crops, they lived with their families of five or more children in mud‑brick huts, possessed virtually no sanitary facilities, and suffered chronically from amoebic dysentery and bilharziasis.

Submarginal as these conditions were, they were immeasurably better than those of Muslim Arabs elsewhere in the Middle East. The statistics of Arab population growth were revealing: In Palestine, the increase between 1922 and 1946 was 118 percent, a rate of almost 5 percent annually, and the highest in the Arab world except for Egypt. It was not all natural increase. During those 24 years, approximately 100,000 Arabs entered the country from neighboring lands. The influx could be traced in some measure to the orderly government provided by the British, but far more, certainly, to the economic opportunities made possible by Jewish settlement.

The rise of the Yishuv benefited Arab life indirectly, by disproportionate Jewish contributions to government revenues, and thereby to increased mandatory expenditures in the Arab sector; and directly, by new markets for Arab produce and (until the civil war of 1936) employment opportunities for Arab labor. It was significant, for example, that the movement of Arabs within Palestine itself was largely to regions of Jewish concentration. Thus, Arab population increase during the 1930s was 87 percent in Haifa, 61 percent in Jaffa, 37 percent in Jerusalem. A similar growth was registered in Arab towns located near Jewish agricultural villages. The 25 percent rise of Arab participation in industry could be traced exclusively to the needs of the large Jewish immigration.

Under the Turks, Arab political life had been rudimentary and had consisted largely of maneuvers for civil office among rival effendi families [“effendi” is a Turkish title of respect, used most commonly for government officials or members of the aristocracy]. No organized nationalist movement whatever came into being until after the Armistice, when Muslim‑Christian Associations were founded in various Arab towns to protest the impending Jewish National Home. This opposition, too, was at first essentially a projection of Syrian nationalism. It followed the lead of Arab politicians in Damascus during the unsuccessful 1919‑1920 effort to establish an independent Syrian kingdom.

Accordingly, the collapse of Feisal’s regime in the summer of 1920 and the transfer of nationalist headquarters from Damascus to Jerusalem played a critical role in the development of an authentic Palestine Arab nationalism. It did not escape the Arab leadership, especially those who formerly had devoted their energies to the Hashemite cause in Syria, that the Zionists, as a minority settlement, were surely more vulnerable to concerted resistance than were the French or British.

(full article online)

Who Are The Palestinians? | My Jewish Learning

Who are the Palestinians. Israeli Palestinian Relations. Contemporary Israel. The Jewish State. Jewish History and Community.

www.myjewishlearning.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Submarginal as these conditions were, they were immeasurably better than those of Muslim Arabs elsewhere in the Middle East. The statistics of Arab population growth were revealing: In Palestine, the increase between 1922 and 1946 was 118 percent, a rate of almost 5 percent annually, and the highest in the Arab world except for Egypt. It was not all natural increase. During those 24 years, approximately 100,000 Arabs entered the country from neighboring lands. The influx could be traced in some measure to the orderly government provided by the British, but far more, certainly, to the economic opportunities made possible by Jewish settlement.

The rise of the Yishuv benefited Arab life indirectly, by disproportionate Jewish contributions to government revenues, and thereby to increased mandatory expenditures in the Arab sector; and directly, by new markets for Arab produce and (until the civil war of 1936) employment opportunities for Arab labor. It was significant, for example, that the movement of Arabs within Palestine itself was largely to regions of Jewish concentration. Thus, Arab population increase during the 1930s was 87 percent in Haifa, 61 percent in Jaffa, 37 percent in Jerusalem. A similar growth was registered in Arab towns located near Jewish agricultural villages. The 25 percent rise of Arab participation in industry could be traced exclusively to the needs of the large Jewish immigration.

Under the Turks, Arab political life had been rudimentary and had consisted largely of maneuvers for civil office among rival effendi families [“effendi” is a Turkish title of respect, used most commonly for government officials or members of the aristocracy]. No organized nationalist movement whatever came into being until after the Armistice, when Muslim‑Christian Associations were founded in various Arab towns to protest the impending Jewish National Home. This opposition, too, was at first essentially a projection of Syrian nationalism. It followed the lead of Arab politicians in Damascus during the unsuccessful 1919‑1920 effort to establish an independent Syrian kingdom.

(full article online)

Who Are The Palestinians? | My Jewish Learning

Who are the Palestinians. Israeli Palestinian Relations. Contemporary Israel. The Jewish State. Jewish History and Community.

www.myjewishlearning.com

Yes. The Zionists always claim hordes of Arabs moved in after they arrived. Its the land without people for a people without land lie.

The population of Palestine doubled in about 15 years with 600,000 non Arabic speaking Europeans.

People have been distorting that sentence :
"Its the land without people for a people without land" for decades.

Of course the land had people, including Jewish People, it was conquered and dominated by the Ottoman Empire.

The Origin of the Phrase

Many commentators, such as the late Arab literary theorist Edward Said, erroneously attribute the first use of the phrase to Israel Zangwill, a British author, playwright, and poet.5 In fact, the phrase was coined and propagated by nineteenth Christian writers.

In 1831, Muhammad Ali Pasha, the ruler of Egypt, wrested control of Greater Syria from direct Ottoman control, a political change which led the British Foreign Ministry to send a consul to Jerusalem. Such a development catalyzed popular imagination.

The earliest published use of the phrase appears to have been by Church of Scotland clergyman Alexander Keith in his 1843 book The Land of Israel According to the Covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.6 Keith was an influential evangelical thinker whose most popular work, Evidence of the Truth of the Christian Religion Derived from the Literal Fulfillment of Prophecy,7 remains in print almost two centuries after it was first published. As an advocate of the idea that Christians should work to encourage the biblical prophecy of a Jewish return to the land of Israel, he wrote that the Jews are “a people without a country; even as their own land, as subsequently to be shown, is in a great measure a country without a people.”8 Keith was aware that the Holy Land was populated because he had traveled to Palestine in 1839 on behalf of the Church of Scotland, and returned five years later with his son, George Skene Keith, believed to be the first photographer to visit to the Holy Land.

(Full article online)

Diana Muir: Who really said it? ... “A Land without a People for a People without a Land”

[Diana Muir is the author of Reflections in Bullough’s Pond: Economy and Ecosystem in New England (University Press of New England, 2000).] “A land without a people for a people without a land” is one of the most oft-cited phrases in the literature of Zionism—and perhaps also the most...

historynewsnetwork.org

 

[Sixties Fan]

Nation in Congo, or Uganda, and Australia, where none of those places IS the Jewish homeland, and the Jews would have indeed been taking over another indigenous people's land.

Is the land of “Israel” their true ancient homeland?

Promised Land

“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.

Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Moab

From there they moved to Egypt
(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:
(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.
(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

Based on the above the “Promised Land” is not the land the Jews are occupying today. In biblical verse terms the Jews were nomads who were wonderers living off of the land grazing their sheep on the open plains.
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I find it beyond humorous, that many people who have lost the identity their ancestors had, or of a separate people, with a separate culture and history, go around forums and other places, on tv and media, telling the Jewish people that they do not know their ancient history, they are not descended from those ancient people, etc......

Exactly because they have so embraced the new culture which was basically shoved down their ancestor's throat, be they Christians or Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, even Jews.........they can only continue to embrace the hatred created by Christianity and Islam as an excuse to anything and everything which goes wrong in this world....

AS IF......things going bad, nature, humans, animals, plagues, etc......all came to be when the Judaism came to be.

It is a very sad illness, toxic to the core, and cannot be eradicated because those who practice a "solution" to all of those maladies would find themselves to be the fools...... for once all the Jews are gone, dead or converted, those problems and worse would continue to exist.

Then......they will start hunting for those who "were Jews " before and accuse them of not having left it and not being true. Yes, the Inquisition all over again.


The Right to Destroy Jewish History has never been worse at its believer's core than during and after the Holocaust.

Jews are not humans. Do NOT care about their history, the history also found in the writings of every people they dealt with, and every invader, conqueror, who to this day have not changed their history books to wipe out the Jews as a people.

NT and Koran have not wiped the Jewish people out.

But today Christians and Muslims want to do exactly that.

Am Israel Chai
The People of Israel Live

So you make these claims to justify taking ancestral lands from everybody else?? Nobody wants to wipe out the Jews. What a vile accusation. Even the Torah tells you these are your half brothers and cousins.

The Ancestral lands became Israel 3000 years ago. And then others came and took from that. One only has to read history written by the Greeks, Romans, Byzantine, etc

But the Jews are the only who remain with a non stop history on the land. All the others blended with the other populations, or moved away.


I am sorry that you still do not get what the Holocaust in Europe was about. Aided by the Husseini clan who planned on building Concentration Camps in Palestine once Germany won the war, which it did not.


Keep believing that Husseini did not want to wipe out the Jews, as the Nazis did, as he himself did in Bosnia during WWII.

What in the world would those Concentration Camps have been for?

Our Half Brothers and Cousins have committed incredible crimes against the Jewish people for
the past 2000 years. Have negated the Jewish people any form of respect. And continue to do so.

Which is exactly why Hagar and Ishmael were thrown out of Abraham's home.

You, and others, want the People of Abraham to embrace those who call themselves descendants of Ishmael, while this very people continue to look for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people as a free people.

Not even Ishmael had the audacity to attack Abraham and his tribe as revenge or feeling of superiority.

So now you blame the Mufti for the Holocaust. How much land do you justify stealing with that bit of chicanery?

You forget that Abraham has six sons with Keturah who was a Midianite Arab. Is your education really so poor or is this deliberate?

Huh? You mean Israel is stealing their own land???

Nope. I have been pretty clear. The Jewish people were never the only people who lived in Palestiine for the past 2500 years.

Why are you confused?

And we have been more than clear that the Jewish People had NOT been the only people living on the land.

But it was the only people who formed a religion, culture, history, which continuously met with the invaders and conquerors of that land, which is mentioned in the history of those invaders.

Before or after the common Era, the Jews, and Israel or Judea were the ones recognized as the indigenous people of that land.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Official PA TV host: “How was the expulsion (i.e., the Nazi genocide) of the Jews carried out? German [Nazi] Minister of Propaganda Goebbels, together with Hitler, disseminated that the Jews are like rats: They spread diseases, rob the wealth of Germany, and must be expelled... They reached the land of Palestine hungry, sick, lacking everything, infected with typhus and malaria. We gave them fresh water to drink and fed them oranges, and they betrayed the hand that was extended to help them.”
[Official PA TV, From the Israeli Archive, Feb. 2, 2021]

This portrayal of a generous welcome is a complete distortion of history. In fact, while Jews were fleeing Europe following the rise of the Nazi party in 1933, Arabs regularly attacked and killed Jews in British Palestine, climaxing in an intensive Arab terror campaign from 1936-1939. The Arab terror convinced Britain to cut off almost all Jewish immigration in May 1939 – the infamous British White Paper – in spite of protests such as Liberal British MP James Rothschild who warned in parliament that "for the majority of the Jews who go to Palestine it is a question of migration or of physical extinction." [House of Commons Debates, Volume 347 column 1984] In fact, the British White Paper, brought on by Arab pressure was a death sentence for vast numbers of European Jews.

Later in the PA TV program, the host jumps back in time to the Jewish immigration to Palestine in the1920s again claiming falsely that Jews were welcomed. This likewise is a distortion of events as even at that time Jews in pre-state Israel were subjected to ongoing waves of Arab violence, and Jewish immigrants were not welcomed by the local population. The additional libel is the false assertion that Jews were coming as part of a “colonial project” and with the goal “to kill the Palestinians.”

(full article online)

PA lies: Palestinians welcomed Jews escaping the Nazis, but Jews âbetrayedâ them | PMW Analysis

Immigrant Jews escaping Europe in the 1920s were “a colonialist project wanting to kill the Palestinians”

palwatch.org

 

[Sixties Fan]

One of the central elements of the Palestinian narrative is the negation of the entire Jewish history in the Land of Israel in general and in Jerusalem in particular. Despite numerous sources and archeological finds proving the opposite, the Palestinian Authority regularly repeats this claim because it is the basis for the PA's denial of Israel's right to exist. Recently, the PA Minister of Culture emphasized this Palestinian lie, claiming Israel has "no connection" to Jerusalem, history, geography or even to the future. He then asserted the second fundamental Palestinian historical revision intended to create a Palestinian right to exist. He claimed that Palestinians were Canaanites with a 6,000-year history in the land:

PA Minister of Culture Atef Abu Saif: "Our struggle is with this State [of Israel] that came out of nowhere, without a history and without geography, stole our land, and wants to put an end to our existence... There is a lying author who wrote a story about his false presence on this land, and then comes and wants to realize his tale. There is nothing in history that proves this presence. They have not found one stone... [Israel knows] that they have no connection to this city [Jerusalem], that they have no connection to this history, and that they have no connection to the geography, just as they have no connection to the future... If Israel celebrated the lie of '3,000 years [of Jewish history] in Jerusalem,' we have 7,000 years in Jerusalem - so what? We Canaanites are the first ones who built Jebus more than 6,000 years ago. And perhaps we need no celebrations because it is natural that we are here. Those who celebrate are foreigners."
Official PA TV, Palestine This Morning, Aug. 26, 2019

(full article online)

PA Minister of Culture denies Jewish history | PMW Analysis

One of the central elements of the Palestinian narrative is the negation of the entire Jewish history in the Land of Israel.

palwatch.org

 

[surada]

Indeed, the Khazarian hypothesis has been debunked by virtually every field of science. For instance, historians stress that the kingdom most likely never converted to Judaism. Archaeologists excavating in the former Khazar lands have found almost no artifacts displaying Jewish symbols. Moreover, linguists point out that Yiddish — for centuries the language spoken by Eastern European Jews — is in no way similar to the vernacular used in Khazaria, nor do Jewish surnames from the last 600 years contain any link to the kingdom.

Experts in Jewish genetics have lambasted Elhaik’s “findings,” arguing that he “appears to be applying the statistics in a way that gives him different results from what everybody else has obtained from essentially similar data.” In fact, most DNA research proves precisely the opposite: namely, that European Jews are closely related to Middle Eastern populations.

The anti-Zionist argument is flawed for another major reason: that is, most Jewish Israelis are not of European descent. According to Tel Aviv University research, in 2018 only 31.8 percent of Israeli Jews self-identified as Ashkenazi (Eastern European). A significantly larger share, about 45 percent, identified as Mizrahi – an umbrella term for those Jews that fled Arab countries to nascent Israel. Israelis of Yemeni origin, for example, trace their roots in the region back to biblical times.

The fact that millions of Israeli Mizrahim are indigenous to the Middle East is indisputable.

(full article online)

'Junk Science': Ashkenazi Jews Are Not Descendants of Khazar Converts | HonestReporting

The hypothesis has been debunked by virtually every field of science. The Khazar kingdom most likely never converted to Judaism.

honestreporting.com

There is lots of information links from a variety of sources here. They are Jews.

Khazaria.com - History of Jewish Khazars, Khazar Turk ...
www.khazaria.com
May 03, 2021 · Medieval Kingdom of Khazaria, 652-969 Over a thousand years ago, the far east of Europe was ruled by Jewish kings who presided over numerous tribes, including their own tribe: the Turkic Khazars.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Indeed, the Khazarian hypothesis has been debunked by virtually every field of science. For instance, historians stress that the kingdom most likely never converted to Judaism. Archaeologists excavating in the former Khazar lands have found almost no artifacts displaying Jewish symbols. Moreover, linguists point out that Yiddish — for centuries the language spoken by Eastern European Jews — is in no way similar to the vernacular used in Khazaria, nor do Jewish surnames from the last 600 years contain any link to the kingdom.

Experts in Jewish genetics have lambasted Elhaik’s “findings,” arguing that he “appears to be applying the statistics in a way that gives him different results from what everybody else has obtained from essentially similar data.” In fact, most DNA research proves precisely the opposite: namely, that European Jews are closely related to Middle Eastern populations.

The anti-Zionist argument is flawed for another major reason: that is, most Jewish Israelis are not of European descent. According to Tel Aviv University research, in 2018 only 31.8 percent of Israeli Jews self-identified as Ashkenazi (Eastern European). A significantly larger share, about 45 percent, identified as Mizrahi – an umbrella term for those Jews that fled Arab countries to nascent Israel. Israelis of Yemeni origin, for example, trace their roots in the region back to biblical times.

The fact that millions of Israeli Mizrahim are indigenous to the Middle East is indisputable.

(full article online)

'Junk Science': Ashkenazi Jews Are Not Descendants of Khazar Converts | HonestReporting

The hypothesis has been debunked by virtually every field of science. The Khazar kingdom most likely never converted to Judaism.

honestreporting.com

There is lots of information links from a variety of sources here. They are Jews.

Khazaria.com - History of Jewish Khazars, Khazar Turk ...
www.khazaria.com
May 03, 2021 · Medieval Kingdom of Khazaria, 652-969 Over a thousand years ago, the far east of Europe was ruled by Jewish kings who presided over numerous tribes, including their own tribe: the Turkic Khazars.

No evidence from genome-wide data of a Khazar origin for the Ashkenazi Jews - PubMed

The origin and history of the Ashkenazi Jewish population have long been of great interest, and advances in high-throughput genetic analysis have recently provided a new approach for investigating these topics. We and others have argued on the basis of genome-wide data that the Ashkenazi Jewish...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Jews are not descended from Khazars, Hebrew University historian says

New study finds no evidence that Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants of Khazars, or that subjects in the medieval kingdom converted to Judaism en masse.

www.haaretz.com

Ashkenazi Jews Are Not Khazars. Here’s The Proof.

Globally speaking, all arguments suggested by proponents of Khazarian theory are either highly speculative or simply wrong.

forward.com

What’s the Khazar theory? And what it's used for?

Khazar theory rests entirely on the alleged conversion of an ethnic Turkic race called the Khazars to Judaism

www.irelandisrael.ie

 

[surada]

Indeed, the Khazarian hypothesis has been debunked by virtually every field of science. For instance, historians stress that the kingdom most likely never converted to Judaism. Archaeologists excavating in the former Khazar lands have found almost no artifacts displaying Jewish symbols. Moreover, linguists point out that Yiddish — for centuries the language spoken by Eastern European Jews — is in no way similar to the vernacular used in Khazaria, nor do Jewish surnames from the last 600 years contain any link to the kingdom.

Experts in Jewish genetics have lambasted Elhaik’s “findings,” arguing that he “appears to be applying the statistics in a way that gives him different results from what everybody else has obtained from essentially similar data.” In fact, most DNA research proves precisely the opposite: namely, that European Jews are closely related to Middle Eastern populations.

The anti-Zionist argument is flawed for another major reason: that is, most Jewish Israelis are not of European descent. According to Tel Aviv University research, in 2018 only 31.8 percent of Israeli Jews self-identified as Ashkenazi (Eastern European). A significantly larger share, about 45 percent, identified as Mizrahi – an umbrella term for those Jews that fled Arab countries to nascent Israel. Israelis of Yemeni origin, for example, trace their roots in the region back to biblical times.

The fact that millions of Israeli Mizrahim are indigenous to the Middle East is indisputable.

(full article online)

'Junk Science': Ashkenazi Jews Are Not Descendants of Khazar Converts | HonestReporting

The hypothesis has been debunked by virtually every field of science. The Khazar kingdom most likely never converted to Judaism.

honestreporting.com

There is lots of information links from a variety of sources here. They are Jews.

Khazaria.com - History of Jewish Khazars, Khazar Turk ...
www.khazaria.com
May 03, 2021 · Medieval Kingdom of Khazaria, 652-969 Over a thousand years ago, the far east of Europe was ruled by Jewish kings who presided over numerous tribes, including their own tribe: the Turkic Khazars.

No evidence from genome-wide data of a Khazar origin for the Ashkenazi Jews - PubMed

The origin and history of the Ashkenazi Jewish population have long been of great interest, and advances in high-throughput genetic analysis have recently provided a new approach for investigating these topics. We and others have argued on the basis of genome-wide data that the Ashkenazi Jewish...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Jews are not descended from Khazars, Hebrew University historian says

New study finds no evidence that Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants of Khazars, or that subjects in the medieval kingdom converted to Judaism en masse.

www.haaretz.com

Ashkenazi Jews Are Not Khazars. Here’s The Proof.

Globally speaking, all arguments suggested by proponents of Khazarian theory are either highly speculative or simply wrong.

forward.com

What’s the Khazar theory? And what it's used for?

Khazar theory rests entirely on the alleged conversion of an ethnic Turkic race called the Khazars to Judaism

www.irelandisrael.ie

This is just a fraction of the information at the link above.

A Resource for Turkic and Jewish History in Russia and Ukraine
Last Updated: May 3, 2021

For information about THE JEWS OF KHAZARIA, click hereRead about The Jews of Khazaria - the best general-interest book about the Khazars in English

Order the improved 3rd edition (February 2018) in hardcover format:
The Jews of Khazaria from Amazon.com
from Amazon.ca in Canada
from Amazon.co.uk in the UK
from Booktopia in Australia
KINDLE EDITION (3rd edition)
More ordering options + More formats (hardcover, eBook) + More information about the book
A new candidate for Atil's location has emerged! It's Semibugry, a large Khazar-era city that was discovered in 2019 by researchers from Astrakhan, including Damir Solovyov. They continued to dig in the summer of 2020 and will resume again in 2021. I added what we know so far about Semibugry's remains to my Atil page.

The Genetics of the Medieval Khazars is our new page summarizing the results obtained so far from scientific teams around the world that have worked with genuine Khazar DNA and Saltovian DNA. The latest study was led by Tatiana Tatarinova of the University of La Verne and included Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA.
Tatarinova's team concluded that the Khazars' DNA doesn't match the Ashkenazic Jews' DNA. They also confirmed that the Khazars included members with a combination of Caucasoid and Mongoloid origins. Both of these findings match statements in the 3rd edition of The Jews of Khazaria, which was written two years earlier. All but one of the bonafide Khazars studied show significant Mongoloid ancestry from the original Turkic homeland in southern Siberia and Central Asia.

continued

 

[Sixties Fan]

Indeed, the Khazarian hypothesis has been debunked by virtually every field of science. For instance, historians stress that the kingdom most likely never converted to Judaism. Archaeologists excavating in the former Khazar lands have found almost no artifacts displaying Jewish symbols. Moreover, linguists point out that Yiddish — for centuries the language spoken by Eastern European Jews — is in no way similar to the vernacular used in Khazaria, nor do Jewish surnames from the last 600 years contain any link to the kingdom.

Experts in Jewish genetics have lambasted Elhaik’s “findings,” arguing that he “appears to be applying the statistics in a way that gives him different results from what everybody else has obtained from essentially similar data.” In fact, most DNA research proves precisely the opposite: namely, that European Jews are closely related to Middle Eastern populations.

The anti-Zionist argument is flawed for another major reason: that is, most Jewish Israelis are not of European descent. According to Tel Aviv University research, in 2018 only 31.8 percent of Israeli Jews self-identified as Ashkenazi (Eastern European). A significantly larger share, about 45 percent, identified as Mizrahi – an umbrella term for those Jews that fled Arab countries to nascent Israel. Israelis of Yemeni origin, for example, trace their roots in the region back to biblical times.

The fact that millions of Israeli Mizrahim are indigenous to the Middle East is indisputable.

(full article online)

'Junk Science': Ashkenazi Jews Are Not Descendants of Khazar Converts | HonestReporting

The hypothesis has been debunked by virtually every field of science. The Khazar kingdom most likely never converted to Judaism.

honestreporting.com

There is lots of information links from a variety of sources here. They are Jews.

Khazaria.com - History of Jewish Khazars, Khazar Turk ...
www.khazaria.com
May 03, 2021 · Medieval Kingdom of Khazaria, 652-969 Over a thousand years ago, the far east of Europe was ruled by Jewish kings who presided over numerous tribes, including their own tribe: the Turkic Khazars.

No evidence from genome-wide data of a Khazar origin for the Ashkenazi Jews - PubMed

The origin and history of the Ashkenazi Jewish population have long been of great interest, and advances in high-throughput genetic analysis have recently provided a new approach for investigating these topics. We and others have argued on the basis of genome-wide data that the Ashkenazi Jewish...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Jews are not descended from Khazars, Hebrew University historian says

New study finds no evidence that Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants of Khazars, or that subjects in the medieval kingdom converted to Judaism en masse.

www.haaretz.com

Ashkenazi Jews Are Not Khazars. Here’s The Proof.

Globally speaking, all arguments suggested by proponents of Khazarian theory are either highly speculative or simply wrong.

forward.com

What’s the Khazar theory? And what it's used for?

Khazar theory rests entirely on the alleged conversion of an ethnic Turkic race called the Khazars to Judaism

www.irelandisrael.ie

This is just a fraction of the information at the link above.

A Resource for Turkic and Jewish History in Russia and Ukraine
Last Updated: May 3, 2021

For information about THE JEWS OF KHAZARIA, click hereRead about The Jews of Khazaria - the best general-interest book about the Khazars in English

Order the improved 3rd edition (February 2018) in hardcover format:
The Jews of Khazaria from Amazon.com
from Amazon.ca in Canada
from Amazon.co.uk in the UK
from Booktopia in Australia
KINDLE EDITION (3rd edition)
More ordering options + More formats (hardcover, eBook) + More information about the book
A new candidate for Atil's location has emerged! It's Semibugry, a large Khazar-era city that was discovered in 2019 by researchers from Astrakhan, including Damir Solovyov. They continued to dig in the summer of 2020 and will resume again in 2021. I added what we know so far about Semibugry's remains to my Atil page.

The Genetics of the Medieval Khazars is our new page summarizing the results obtained so far from scientific teams around the world that have worked with genuine Khazar DNA and Saltovian DNA. The latest study was led by Tatiana Tatarinova of the University of La Verne and included Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA.
Tatarinova's team concluded that the Khazars' DNA doesn't match the Ashkenazic Jews' DNA. They also confirmed that the Khazars included members with a combination of Caucasoid and Mongoloid origins. Both of these findings match statements in the 3rd edition of The Jews of Khazaria, which was written two years earlier. All but one of the bonafide Khazars studied show significant Mongoloid ancestry from the original Turkic homeland in southern Siberia and Central Asia.

continued

I am so sorry for you, that you never realize when you have been had by one conspiracy theory or another, intent in delegitimizing the Jewish People and Israel.

Believing is not making it true, and all these baseless conspiracy theories are just that, baseless conspiracy theories intent in destroying Israel as the Sovereign homeland of the Jewish people.

 

[surada]

Indeed, the Khazarian hypothesis has been debunked by virtually every field of science. For instance, historians stress that the kingdom most likely never converted to Judaism. Archaeologists excavating in the former Khazar lands have found almost no artifacts displaying Jewish symbols. Moreover, linguists point out that Yiddish — for centuries the language spoken by Eastern European Jews — is in no way similar to the vernacular used in Khazaria, nor do Jewish surnames from the last 600 years contain any link to the kingdom.

Experts in Jewish genetics have lambasted Elhaik’s “findings,” arguing that he “appears to be applying the statistics in a way that gives him different results from what everybody else has obtained from essentially similar data.” In fact, most DNA research proves precisely the opposite: namely, that European Jews are closely related to Middle Eastern populations.

The anti-Zionist argument is flawed for another major reason: that is, most Jewish Israelis are not of European descent. According to Tel Aviv University research, in 2018 only 31.8 percent of Israeli Jews self-identified as Ashkenazi (Eastern European). A significantly larger share, about 45 percent, identified as Mizrahi – an umbrella term for those Jews that fled Arab countries to nascent Israel. Israelis of Yemeni origin, for example, trace their roots in the region back to biblical times.

The fact that millions of Israeli Mizrahim are indigenous to the Middle East is indisputable.

(full article online)

'Junk Science': Ashkenazi Jews Are Not Descendants of Khazar Converts | HonestReporting

The hypothesis has been debunked by virtually every field of science. The Khazar kingdom most likely never converted to Judaism.

honestreporting.com

There is lots of information links from a variety of sources here. They are Jews.

Khazaria.com - History of Jewish Khazars, Khazar Turk ...
www.khazaria.com
May 03, 2021 · Medieval Kingdom of Khazaria, 652-969 Over a thousand years ago, the far east of Europe was ruled by Jewish kings who presided over numerous tribes, including their own tribe: the Turkic Khazars.

No evidence from genome-wide data of a Khazar origin for the Ashkenazi Jews - PubMed

The origin and history of the Ashkenazi Jewish population have long been of great interest, and advances in high-throughput genetic analysis have recently provided a new approach for investigating these topics. We and others have argued on the basis of genome-wide data that the Ashkenazi Jewish...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Jews are not descended from Khazars, Hebrew University historian says

New study finds no evidence that Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants of Khazars, or that subjects in the medieval kingdom converted to Judaism en masse.

www.haaretz.com

Ashkenazi Jews Are Not Khazars. Here’s The Proof.

Globally speaking, all arguments suggested by proponents of Khazarian theory are either highly speculative or simply wrong.

forward.com

What’s the Khazar theory? And what it's used for?

Khazar theory rests entirely on the alleged conversion of an ethnic Turkic race called the Khazars to Judaism

www.irelandisrael.ie

This is just a fraction of the information at the link above.

A Resource for Turkic and Jewish History in Russia and Ukraine
Last Updated: May 3, 2021

For information about THE JEWS OF KHAZARIA, click hereRead about The Jews of Khazaria - the best general-interest book about the Khazars in English

Order the improved 3rd edition (February 2018) in hardcover format:
The Jews of Khazaria from Amazon.com
from Amazon.ca in Canada
from Amazon.co.uk in the UK
from Booktopia in Australia
KINDLE EDITION (3rd edition)
More ordering options + More formats (hardcover, eBook) + More information about the book
A new candidate for Atil's location has emerged! It's Semibugry, a large Khazar-era city that was discovered in 2019 by researchers from Astrakhan, including Damir Solovyov. They continued to dig in the summer of 2020 and will resume again in 2021. I added what we know so far about Semibugry's remains to my Atil page.

The Genetics of the Medieval Khazars is our new page summarizing the results obtained so far from scientific teams around the world that have worked with genuine Khazar DNA and Saltovian DNA. The latest study was led by Tatiana Tatarinova of the University of La Verne and included Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA.
Tatarinova's team concluded that the Khazars' DNA doesn't match the Ashkenazic Jews' DNA. They also confirmed that the Khazars included members with a combination of Caucasoid and Mongoloid origins. Both of these findings match statements in the 3rd edition of The Jews of Khazaria, which was written two years earlier. All but one of the bonafide Khazars studied show significant Mongoloid ancestry from the original Turkic homeland in southern Siberia and Central Asia.

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I am so sorry for you, that you never realize when you have been had by one conspiracy theory or another, intent in delegitimizing the Jewish People and Israel.

Believing is not making it true, and all these baseless conspiracy theories are just that, baseless conspiracy theories intent in destroying Israel as the Sovereign homeland of the Jewish people.

Palestine was the homeland of other people as well .. to include Canaanites and Arabs.

Forget conspiracy theories.. There are links to ancient letters and documents as well as ongoing archaelogical projects about the Khazars and Turkic Jews. Its a treasure trove of information.

Medieval Kingdom of Khazaria, 652-969
Over a thousand years ago, the far east of Europe was ruled by Jewish kings who presided over numerous tribes, including their own tribe: the Turkic Khazars. After their conversion, the Khazar people used Jewish personal names, spoke and wrote in Hebrew, were circumcised, had synagogues and rabbis, studied the Torah and Talmud, and observed Hanukkah, Pesach, and the Sabbath. The Khazars were an advanced civilization with one of the most tolerant societies of the medieval period. It hosted merchants from all over Asia and Europe. On these pages it is hoped that you may learn more about this fascinating culture.

AN INTRODUCTION TO THE HISTORY OF KHAZARIA
Essays summarizing the history of the Khazars, their principal cities, their culture, and their conversion to Judaism in the 9th century.
An Introduction to the History of Khazaria
Current Issues in Khazar Studies
Los Khazares: un experimento europeo de construcción de un estado Judío - in Spanish
Histoire des Khazars: la nation juive de Russie et d'Ukraine - in French
Znakomstvo s Istoriey Xazarii - in Russian
Hazar Türkleri tarihine giriş - in Turkish

Khazaria.com - History of Jewish Khazars, Khazar Turk, Khazarian Jews

www.khazaria.com

 

[surada]

Sixties Fan

Edomites converted to Judaism.

Berbers converted to Judaism.

His/Her Story: A Jewish warrior queen - The Jerusalem Post

His/Her Story: A Jewish warrior queen

The story of the Jewish Berber queen, her success as a warrior, and her own destruction.

www.jpost.com

Aug 05, 2011 · Her tribe, the Gerawa, had converted to Judaism earlier in the century; their queen, Dahia al-Kahena, daughter of Mathia ben Tifan, either converted with them or was Jewish by birth. This era...

Yemeni Arabs converted to Judaism.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Surada: "The European Jews sought sanctuary in Palestine and immediately began to abuse the Palestinians."

Jews, who had moved to Europe, Africa and other parts of Asia, have always returned to their homeland through the ages.

This is one of your quotes which are totally empty of evidence, as you have given none.

Like the other saying you gave that there is Archeological evidence of Arab presence in Ancient Canaan for the past 10,000.

Why doesn't the Palestinian Museum, or any other Museum display that evidence?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Sixties Fan

Edomites converted to Judaism.

Berbers converted to Judaism.

His/Her Story: A Jewish warrior queen - The Jerusalem Post

His/Her Story: A Jewish warrior queen

The story of the Jewish Berber queen, her success as a warrior, and her own destruction.

www.jpost.com

Aug 05, 2011 · Her tribe, the Gerawa, had converted to Judaism earlier in the century; their queen, Dahia al-Kahena, daughter of Mathia ben Tifan, either converted with them or was Jewish by birth. This era...

Yemeni Arabs converted to Judaism.

Jews always welcome those who are true to their religion.

You have proven absolutely nothing so far which negates any Jewish history, and would help put an end to Israel as the Jewish ancient homeland.