History of Israel May Help Some Understand

[theHawk]

Once again you have been spoonfed lies and Jew hate from neo Nazi bullshit sites like Stormfront. Jews don’t practice from the Talmud. It is a book of interpretations as to how Jews should live written by ancient mystics. Has zero validity and nothing to do with the faith. In fact most Jews haven’t even seen or opened a “Talmud”. Just like Christianity has writings or interpretations by so called monks, mystics or “saints”, it has nothing to do with the actual faith.

Jesus was killed by the Romans because he claimed to be Son of God and in Ancient Rome you get crucified for that because that was evidence of rebellion against the ruler, who was the only holy person related to God. Thousands and thousands of people were crucified in Ancient Rome, Jesus was just another victim who happened to also be Jewish.

There was no “Christianity” during Jesus’ time.

As usual you can’t answer my question about Judaism and how it is practice today, so all you can do is attack me and call me a “Nazi” which is ridiculous.

 

[Roudy]

As usual you can’t answer my question about Judaism and how it is practice today, so all you can do is attack me and call me a “Nazi” which is ridiculous.

Judaism is practiced by following the tenants of the Torah, and that has not changed for the last 3000 years. It is also how Jesus the Jew practiced it. Try going into a synagogue and see how it’s done. The bullshit about Talmud is a common Nazi theme.

 

[theHawk]

Jesus was born and died as a Jew. There was no Christianity or Christ until AFTER Jesus died. Look it up. Christianity is the reinvented religion, which is based on the Old Testament or Torah of Judaism and mixed with the paganism of Ancient Rome. Jews don’t practice from the Talmud, nor will you find it in most synagogues, that is yet another neo Nazi blood libel myth.

Jesus claimed he was the Messiah or Son of God, which in Judaism is blasphemy and paganism. They don’t believe in worshipping a human being as a God, nor does their faith accept it.

Your ideology is no different than Islamists who think all non believers are “infidels”. Flip side of the same coin. Millions of Jews have been killed, tortured and persecuted throughout history by so called Christians during the crusades, inquisitions and culminating in the holocaust for this same reason.

Live and let live.

It’s only blasphemy in modern Judaism.

It’s laughable you say they don’t teach from the Talmud, you should spend time down in the Religion forum and see your Jewish “Rabbi” buddies quote the Talmud all the time and they can never acknowledge actual scripture from the Torah.

The Old Testament has what we now call the Trinity in it. The Spirit that hovered over the waters in Genesis. The Angel of the Lord who had the power to forgive sins (only God has that power), and was separate from the Lord.

But the Talmudic Jews always make up excuses and consult their Rabbi for “interpretation” of these and many more versus that clearly point to Jesus.

 

[theHawk]

Judaism is practiced by following the tenants of the Torah, and that has not changed for the last 3000 years. It is also how Jesus the Jew practiced it. Try going into a synagogue and see how it’s done. The bullshit about Talmud is a common Nazi theme.

Do Jews make a sacrifice every year then yes or no?
Do they outlaw homosexuality yes or no?
Do they follow the detailed guidelines about what they can eat or not eat? Yes or no?

 

[theHawk]

Here is a simple question for you Roudy , where do people go when they die? Do they go up into heaven? If not where?

Back up your claim with proof from the Torah.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The fake country and people is Palestine and Palestinians that never existed in history. They are invaders and squatters.

What do you mean, squatters? they lived there before most of the European migrant Jews came to Palestine, the Arabs were already living there dickhead.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Judaism is practiced by following the tenants of the Torah, and that has not changed for the last 3000 years. It is also how Jesus the Jew practiced it. Try going into a synagogue and see how it’s done. The bullshit about Talmud is a common Nazi theme.

Many Jews regard the New Testament as a product of gentiles, not Jews, many regard it as one of the worst examples of antisemitism ever perpetrated against Jews.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I support Israel 100%.

You do? OK, well you'll be needing this, lots of this, good luck.

 

[Roudy]

It’s only blasphemy in modern Judaism.

It’s laughable you say they don’t teach from the Talmud, you should spend time down in the Religion forum and see your Jewish “Rabbi” buddies quote the Talmud all the time and they can never acknowledge actual scripture from the Torah.

The Old Testament has what we now call the Trinity in it. The Spirit that hovered over the waters in Genesis. The Angel of the Lord who had the power to forgive sins (only God has that power), and was separate from the Lord.

But the Talmudic Jews always make up excuses and consult their Rabbi for “interpretation” of these and many more versus that clearly point to Jesus.

There is no such thing as Talmudic Jews. You keep spouting utter ignorance. An Internet forum does not represent a religion. Judaism is a monotheistic faith, which means a human being cannot be a god. Worshipping a human as god is what paganism and idol worshippers like ancient Romans, Greeks, Buddhists and Sikhs do.

I guess you are committed to your Jew hate, there is nothing anybody can do to educate or inform you. Sadly these are the beliefs held by ignoramuses with a medieval mentality that has led to the persecution and genocide of Jews throughout history. Jews haven’t been the ones that have been committing these atrocities on non Jews, it has always been a one way street, Muslims or Christians doing it to Jews.

Like I said the crazy “believers” on the right are no different than the ones on the Left or Islamists, flip side of the same coin and an embarrassment to all conservatives and republicans.

 

[theHawk]

There is no such thing as Talmudic Jews. You keep spouting utter ignorance. An Internet forum does not represent a religion. Judaism is a monotheistic faith, which means a human being cannot be a god. Worshipping a human as god is what paganism and idol worshippers like ancient Romans, Greeks, Buddhists and Sikhs do.

I guess you are committed to your Jew hate, there is nothing anybody can do to educate or inform you. Sadly these are the beliefs held by ignoramuses with a medieval mentality that has led to the persecution and genocide of Jews throughout history. Jews haven’t been the ones that have been committing these atrocities on non Jews, it has always been a one way street, Muslims or Christians doing it to Jews.

Like I said the crazy “believers” on the right are no different than the ones on the Left or Islamists, flip side of the same coin and an embarrassment to all conservatives and republicans.

Yea sure, Jews never persecuted anyone. It’s not like they hunted down Christians or anything like that, eh?
You try to lay all the blame of his death on “the Romans”, when you admit you believe that a man claiming to be the Messiah is blasphemy. Which is exactly what the Godless fake Jews accused Jesus of. You admit you would be on the side of the crowd that demanded his death and cheered it when it happened.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yea sure, Jews never persecuted anyone. It’s not like they hunted down Christians or anything like that, eh?

They sure persecuted this dude:

You try to lay all the blame of his death on “the Romans”, when you admit you believe that a man claiming to be the Messiah is blasphemy. Which is exactly what the Godless fake Jews accused Jesus of. You admit you would be on the side of the crowd that demanded his death and cheered it when it happened.

You speak truthfully, the nature of Zionism does seem to parallel the conniving and sneaking and lying and criminality of the Jewish leaders Christ came into conflict with, same attitude as those fanatics, they'd likely react to him today just as the Pharisees did 2,000 years earlier.

The fanatics back then demanded that Barabbas be freed and the innocent Jesus be taken instead and then executed, hauntingly similar to how the right wing officials and fanatical settlers wanted the torturers freed yesterday.

 

[Roudy]

Yea sure, Jews never persecuted anyone. It’s not like they hunted down Christians or anything like that, eh?
You try to lay all the blame of his death on “the Romans”, when you admit you believe that a man claiming to be the Messiah is blasphemy. Which is exactly what the Godless fake Jews accused Jesus of. You admit you would be on the side of the crowd that demanded his death and cheered it when it happened.

No, Jews did not hunt down Christians, it’s always been the opposite, look up the brutality and barbarism of the crusades and inquisitions. Once again, there weren’t any Christians for 2000 years after Judaism was formed, and that includes during the time of Jesus.

Christians do believe that Jesus was the son of god, a pagan belief that existed for thousands of years before Jesus. Virtually every ancient Roman, Greek, Persian, Zoroastrian or Egyptian king or emperor called themselves “son of god”. If you chose to worship a Jew as son of god that is your business and I respect that. I don’t judge people by their faith but apparently you do.

Here’s the pagan religion that Christianity seems to have copied from. It was after all, the religion of Ancient Rome. Or do you actually believe that it’s just a coincidence Jesus was supposedly born on December 25, the pagan holiday of Ancient Rome?

Mithras and Christianity

www.tertullian.org

Mithras and Christianity​

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See also Mithras and other gods.

The idea of a relationship between early Christianity and the cultus of Mithras is based on a remark in the 2nd century Christian writer Justin Martyr, who accused the initiates of Mithras of imitating the Christian communion rite.1

Based upon this, Ernest Renan in 1882 set forth a vivid depiction of two rival religions: "if the growth of Christianity had been arrested by some mortal malady, the world would have been Mithraic."2 But at the time that Renan wrote, before Cumont had collected the sources, very little was known about Mithras.3

In fact the two groups had different objectives, and the cult of Mithras did not aim at a universal role, even at the peak of its popularity.4

There is no evidence of direct influence in either direction between the cult of Mithras and early Christianity.5 Rather such similarities as exist are attributed to the common environment in which both arose.

The philosopher Celsus in the second century provides some evidence that Ophite gnostic ideas were influencing the mysteries of Mithras.6

1. Ideas found in both Mithraic myth and Christianity​

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In older scholarly literature there appear a number of supposed similarities between Christianity and the cult of Mithras. In general these are based on speculation, or arise from attempts to shed some understanding on the cult of Mithras by looking at Christian ideas.

Vermaseren in 1975 wrote that the similarities arise from the presence of both in a shared cultural world.7 Likewise, rather than seeing borrowing in either direction, Manfred Clauss makes the same observation.8

A number of extremely wild claims -- that Mithras had 12 disciples, was a wandering teacher, died and rose again, etc. -- are discussed instead under Mithras and Jesus.

1.1. Born on 25 December​

Cumont stated that the birthday of Mithras was 25 December, on the basis that a solar feast took place on that date and Mithras would, of course, be included. The idea was only speculation, but has been widely taken up.9 Clauss repeats the claim.10 But Beck states that this is not the case. In fact he calls this assertion 'that hoariest of "facts"'. He continues: "In truth, the only evidence for it is the celebration of the birthday of Invictus on that date in the Calendar of Philocalus. 'Invictus' is of course Sol Invictus, Aurelian's sun god. It does not follow that a different, earlier, and unofficial sun god, Sol Invictus Mithras, was necessarily or even probably, born on that day too."11

But later Clauss states; "the Mithraic Mysteries had no public ceremonies of its own. The festival of natalis Invicti [Birth of the Unconquerable (Sun)], held on 25 December, was a general festival of the Sun, and by no means specific to the Mysteries of Mithras."12

Steven Hijmans has discussed in detail the question of whether the general "natalis Invicti" festival was related to Christmas but does not give Mithras as a possible source.13

1.2. Salvation​

A badly damaged painted text on the wall of the St. Prisca Mithraeum (CIMRM 485, c. A.D. 200)14 in Rome may contain the words: et nos servasti (?) . . . sanguine fuso (and you have saved us ... in the shed blood). The meaning of this is unclear, although presumably refers to the bull killed by Mithras, as no other source refers to a Mithraic salvation. The servasti has been treated as certain; but it is in fact only a conjecture, and Pancieri, the most recent archaeologist to examine the item, states that this must be wrong.15 According to Robert Turcan,16 Mithraic salvation had little to do with the other-worldly destiny of individual souls, but was on the Zoroastrian pattern of man's participation in the cosmic struggle of the good creation against the forces of evil 17

1.3. The water-miracle​

Monuments in the Danube area depict Mithras firing a bow at a rock in the presence of the torch-bearers, apparently to encourage water to come forth.18Clauss states that, after the ritual meal, this offers 'the clearest parallel with Christianity'.19

1.4. Marked with the sign of the Cross​

Some scholars have stated that initiates of Mithras were marked with the sign of the cross on their forehead. The idea has been described as a scholarly myth.20

The basis for the idea is found in Tertullian, who states that followers of Mithras were marked on their forehead in an unspecified manner.21 There is no indication that this is a cross, or a branding, or a tattoo, or a permanent mark of any kind.22

2. Mithraic motifs and medieval Christian art​

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From the end of the 18th century some authors have suggested that some elements in medieval Christian art reflect images found in Mithraic reliefs.23Franz Cumont was among these, although he studied each motif in isolation rather than the combination of several elements and whether they were combined in Christian art in the same way.24 Cumont said that after the triumph of the church over paganism, artists continued to make use of stock images originally devised for Mithras in order to depict the new and unfamiliar stories of the bible. The "stranglehold of the workshop" meant that the first Christian artworks were heavily based on pagan art, and "a few alterations in costume and attitude transformed a pagan scene into a Christian picture".25

A series of scholars have since discussed possible similarities with Mithraic reliefs in medieval Romanesque art.26 Vermaseren stated that the only certain example of such influence was an image of Elijah drawn up to heaven in a chariot drawn by fiery horses.27 Deman stated that to compare isolated elements was not useful, and that combinations should be studied. He also pointed out that a similarity of image does not tell us whether this implies an ideological influence, or merely a tradition of craftmanship. He then gave a list of medieval reliefs that parallel Mithraic images, but refused to draw conclusions from this, as these would be subjective.28

3. Christian re-use of Mithraic sites and monuments​

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Several of the best preserved Mithraea, especially those in Rome such as at the Basilica of San Clemente, and that at Santa Prisca, are now to be found underneath Christian churches. In a number of cases churches were first built in the 5th century on top of ruined, high-prestige buildings, and some of these had once had Mithraea in the basements.29

There is evidence that the Mithraeum of the Baths of Mithras in Ostia may have been converted to a church by the middle of the 4th century. The date is based on the building technique, and the presence of the symbols alpha and omega.30

A study of early Christian churches in Britain concluded that the evidence there suggested a tendency to avoid locating churches on the sites of former Mithraea.31

In the early 11th Century tower added to the church of St.Peter-at-Gowts in Lincoln, England, there is a very weathered relief incorporated into the masonry, possibly from an unknown Mithraeum in Roman Lincoln. It has been supposed to be a relief of the lion-headed god, usually depicted with keys. It has been suggested that the relief may have been reused in the 11th century under the impression that it depicted St. Peter and his keys.32

4. Christian destruction of the Mithraea​

---

There is no doubt that Mithraic caves were sometimes destroyed by Christians. Jerome mentions one such instance in Rome.33 Socrates Scholasticus tells us that the destruction of the Serapeum in Alexandria followed riots caused by the discovery by Christians of a disused Mithraeum (now lost) and the parading of the cult objects in mockery through the streets.34 Quite often damage to a Mithraeum is supposed to be caused by Christian axes. But some archaeologists have raised doubts.

 

[theHawk]

No, Jews did not hunt down Christians, it’s always been the opposite, look up the brutality and barbarism of the crusades and inquisitions. Once again, there weren’t any Christians for 2000 years after Judaism was formed, and that includes during the time of Jesus.

Christians do believe that Jesus was the son of god, a pagan belief that existed for thousands of years before Jesus. Virtually every ancient Roman, Greek, Persian, Zoroastrian or Egyptian king or emperor called themselves “son of god”. If you chose to worship a Jew as son of god that is your business and I respect that. I don’t judge people by their faith but apparently you do.

Here’s the pagan religion that Christianity seems to have copied from. It was after all, the religion of Ancient Rome. Or do you actually believe that it’s just a coincidence Jesus was supposedly born on December 25, the pagan holiday of Ancient Rome?

Mithras and Christianity

www.tertullian.org

Mithras and Christianity​

---

The idea of a relationship between early Christianity and the cultus of Mithras is based on a remark in the 2nd century Christian writer Justin Martyr, who accused the initiates of Mithras of imitating the Christian communion rite.1

Based upon this, Ernest Renan in 1882 set forth a vivid depiction of two rival religions: "if the growth of Christianity had been arrested by some mortal malady, the world would have been Mithraic."2 But at the time that Renan wrote, before Cumont had collected the sources, very little was known about Mithras.3

In fact the two groups had different objectives, and the cult of Mithras did not aim at a universal role, even at the peak of its popularity.4

There is no evidence of direct influence in either direction between the cult of Mithras and early Christianity.5 Rather such similarities as exist are attributed to the common environment in which both arose.

The philosopher Celsus in the second century provides some evidence that Ophite gnostic ideas were influencing the mysteries of Mithras.6

1. Ideas found in both Mithraic myth and Christianity​

---

In older scholarly literature there appear a number of supposed similarities between Christianity and the cult of Mithras. In general these are based on speculation, or arise from attempts to shed some understanding on the cult of Mithras by looking at Christian ideas.

Vermaseren in 1975 wrote that the similarities arise from the presence of both in a shared cultural world.7 Likewise, rather than seeing borrowing in either direction, Manfred Clauss makes the same observation.8

A number of extremely wild claims -- that Mithras had 12 disciples, was a wandering teacher, died and rose again, etc. -- are discussed instead under Mithras and Jesus.

1.1. Born on 25 December​

Cumont stated that the birthday of Mithras was 25 December, on the basis that a solar feast took place on that date and Mithras would, of course, be included. The idea was only speculation, but has been widely taken up.9 Clauss repeats the claim.10 But Beck states that this is not the case. In fact he calls this assertion 'that hoariest of "facts"'. He continues: "In truth, the only evidence for it is the celebration of the birthday of Invictus on that date in the Calendar of Philocalus. 'Invictus' is of course Sol Invictus, Aurelian's sun god. It does not follow that a different, earlier, and unofficial sun god, Sol Invictus Mithras, was necessarily or even probably, born on that day too."11

But later Clauss states; "the Mithraic Mysteries had no public ceremonies of its own. The festival of natalis Invicti [Birth of the Unconquerable (Sun)], held on 25 December, was a general festival of the Sun, and by no means specific to the Mysteries of Mithras."12

Steven Hijmans has discussed in detail the question of whether the general "natalis Invicti" festival was related to Christmas but does not give Mithras as a possible source.13

1.2. Salvation​

A badly damaged painted text on the wall of the St. Prisca Mithraeum (CIMRM 485, c. A.D. 200)14 in Rome may contain the words: et nos servasti (?) . . . sanguine fuso (and you have saved us ... in the shed blood). The meaning of this is unclear, although presumably refers to the bull killed by Mithras, as no other source refers to a Mithraic salvation. The servasti has been treated as certain; but it is in fact only a conjecture, and Pancieri, the most recent archaeologist to examine the item, states that this must be wrong.15 According to Robert Turcan,16 Mithraic salvation had little to do with the other-worldly destiny of individual souls, but was on the Zoroastrian pattern of man's participation in the cosmic struggle of the good creation against the forces of evil 17

1.3. The water-miracle​

Monuments in the Danube area depict Mithras firing a bow at a rock in the presence of the torch-bearers, apparently to encourage water to come forth.18Clauss states that, after the ritual meal, this offers 'the clearest parallel with Christianity'.19

1.4. Marked with the sign of the Cross​

Some scholars have stated that initiates of Mithras were marked with the sign of the cross on their forehead. The idea has been described as a scholarly myth.20

The basis for the idea is found in Tertullian, who states that followers of Mithras were marked on their forehead in an unspecified manner.21 There is no indication that this is a cross, or a branding, or a tattoo, or a permanent mark of any kind.22

2. Mithraic motifs and medieval Christian art​

---

From the end of the 18th century some authors have suggested that some elements in medieval Christian art reflect images found in Mithraic reliefs.23Franz Cumont was among these, although he studied each motif in isolation rather than the combination of several elements and whether they were combined in Christian art in the same way.24 Cumont said that after the triumph of the church over paganism, artists continued to make use of stock images originally devised for Mithras in order to depict the new and unfamiliar stories of the bible. The "stranglehold of the workshop" meant that the first Christian artworks were heavily based on pagan art, and "a few alterations in costume and attitude transformed a pagan scene into a Christian picture".25

A series of scholars have since discussed possible similarities with Mithraic reliefs in medieval Romanesque art.26 Vermaseren stated that the only certain example of such influence was an image of Elijah drawn up to heaven in a chariot drawn by fiery horses.27 Deman stated that to compare isolated elements was not useful, and that combinations should be studied. He also pointed out that a similarity of image does not tell us whether this implies an ideological influence, or merely a tradition of craftmanship. He then gave a list of medieval reliefs that parallel Mithraic images, but refused to draw conclusions from this, as these would be subjective.28

3. Christian re-use of Mithraic sites and monuments​

---

Several of the best preserved Mithraea, especially those in Rome such as at the Basilica of San Clemente, and that at Santa Prisca, are now to be found underneath Christian churches. In a number of cases churches were first built in the 5th century on top of ruined, high-prestige buildings, and some of these had once had Mithraea in the basements.29

There is evidence that the Mithraeum of the Baths of Mithras in Ostia may have been converted to a church by the middle of the 4th century. The date is based on the building technique, and the presence of the symbols alpha and omega.30

A study of early Christian churches in Britain concluded that the evidence there suggested a tendency to avoid locating churches on the sites of former Mithraea.31

In the early 11th Century tower added to the church of St.Peter-at-Gowts in Lincoln, England, there is a very weathered relief incorporated into the masonry, possibly from an unknown Mithraeum in Roman Lincoln. It has been supposed to be a relief of the lion-headed god, usually depicted with keys. It has been suggested that the relief may have been reused in the 11th century under the impression that it depicted St. Peter and his keys.32

4. Christian destruction of the Mithraea​

---

There is no doubt that Mithraic caves were sometimes destroyed by Christians. Jerome mentions one such instance in Rome.33 Socrates Scholasticus tells us that the destruction of the Serapeum in Alexandria followed riots caused by the discovery by Christians of a disused Mithraeum (now lost) and the parading of the cult objects in mockery through the streets.34 Quite often damage to a Mithraeum is supposed to be caused by Christian axes. But some archaeologists have raised doubts.

LOL wow that is a lot of deflection you copy and pasted. Gee, never heard of the “Mithras” lie before. Your own link you copied said there is no link between Mithra and Christianity. Maybe next time read what you are copying and pasting? LOL.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call the Talmud tap dance.

You’ll notice Roudy can’t directly answer any of my specific questions regarding ancient Judaism and the Torah. It’s all deflect and insult and attack.

Will Roudy answer post #44? #45?

Will any “Jew”?

 

[Roudy]

LOL wow that is a lot of deflection you copy and pasted. Gee, never heard of the “Mithras” lie before. Your own link you copied said there is no link between Mithra and Christianity. Maybe next time read what you are copying and pasting? LOL.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call the Talmud tap dance.

You’ll notice Roudy can’t directly answer any of my specific questions regarding ancient Judaism and the Torah. It’s all deflect and insult and attack.

Will Roudy answer post #44? #45?

Will any “Jew”

This is the guy who claims Jews hunted Christians and Jesus practiced Christianity, yet can’t provide an ounce of proof for any of it. It is understandable that you can’t handle the truth, because your existence rests on these lies. Like I said there is no cure for you, you insist on staying ignorant and repeating the lies and bigotry you’ve picked up from Neo Nazi sites. I assume you associate with likeminded people. “Them damn Talmud Jews”. Enjoy.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

No, Jews did not hunt down Christians, it’s always been the opposite, look up the brutality and barbarism of the crusades and inquisitions. Once again, there weren’t any Christians for 2000 years after Judaism was formed, and that includes during the time of Jesus.

Can you tell me how many Christian villages in Palestine were raided, ethnically cleansed, depopulated and structurally destroyed by Jews in 1948? Can you name a few for me?

 

[theHawk]

This is the guy who claims Jews hunted Christians and Jesus practiced Christianity, yet can’t provide an ounce of proof for any of it. It is understandable that you can’t handle the truth, because your existence rests on these lies. Like I said there is no cure for you, you insist on staying ignorant and repeating the lies and bigotry you’ve picked up from Neo Nazi sites. I assume you associate with likeminded people. “Them damn Talmud Jews”. Enjoy.

^^ look who keeps using lefty tactics.

Won’t answer direct specific questions.

Cries racism.

Calls opponent a “Nazi” because you don’t like my opinion and can’t handle facts.


You transitioned into a lefty real quick there Roudy.

 

[Roudy]

^^ look who keeps using lefty tactics.

Won’t answer direct specific questions.

Cries racism.

Calls opponent a “Nazi” because you don’t like my opinion and can’t handle facts.


You transitioned into a lefty real quick there Roudy.

Fact is you repeat Nazi and IslamoNazi lies. There is not a single synagogue that preaches or practices from the Talmud. Perhaps if you ever even visited a synagogue or had a Jewish friend you would know that they carry Torahs out on Saturdays, Mondays and Thursdays open it and read verses from it. The same exact unchanged Torah from about 3500 years ago during, before and after Jesus, who was a practicing Jew.

I am an avid Trump supporter and the farthest thing from a Lefty. All that you’re doing with your behavior and bullshit claims is giving ammunition to Lefties allowing them to accuse us of racism and bigotry, and rightly so. Your type is the reason we have “never Trumpers” or people on the Left that will never switch to the Right. They use people like you as typical Trump supporter, which you are not. Like I said you are no different than bigots and antisemites on the other side like Ilhan Omar, Talib and AOC. It’s up to you if you want to change.

 

[theHawk]

Fact is you repeat Nazi and IslamoNazi lies. There is not a single synagogue that preaches or practices from the Talmud. Perhaps if you ever even visited a synagogue or had a Jewish friend you would know that they carry Torahs out on Saturdays, Mondays and Thursdays open it and read verses from it. The same exact unchanged Torah from about 3500 years ago during, before and after Jesus, who was a practicing Jew.

I am an avid Trump supporter and the farthest thing from a Lefty. All that you’re doing with your behavior and bullshit claims is giving ammunition to Lefties allowing them to accuse us of racism and bigotry, and rightly so. Your type is the reason we have “never Trumpers” or people on the Left that will never switch to the Right. They use people like you as typical Trump supporter, which you are not. Like I said you are no different than bigots and antisemites on the other side like Ilhan Omar, Talib and AOC. It’s up to you if you want to change.

How am I a bigot? Have I attacked you for your ethnicity? Nope. Yet you call me a “Nazi”. You hurl insults about Christianity yet can’t take any criticism of your religion.

Judaism is a choice. It’s an ideology, it’s a religion. Plenty of ethnic Jews follow Jesus, so that argument goes right out the window.

You are not my enemy, I am merely pointing out to you that you have been lied to.

I’ll see you down in the Religion sub forum, maybe there you will answer my questions instead of dodging them? Since you claim you only use the Torah it should be interesting, since every other Jew I debate down there won’t ever acknowledge scripture I quote.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

Another evangelical who thinks Fake Israel is the same as Israel in the Bible.

First: If the DNA of long buried Israelites is compared with modern day Jews, including those whose families migrated "back" to Israel after World War II, you would find that the modern Jews are descendants of the original Israelites, as not a lot of people convert to Judaism. So, they are technically, the indigenous peoples of the area.
Second: In an on camera interview with a Saudi (based upon his attire), the Arab was asked why there is so much conflict over Israel. I have to give the Saudi credit, saying honestly, that it has little to do about the land of Israel. It's about "subjugation." In short, submit to Islam.

 

[theHawk]

First: If the DNA of long buried Israelites is compared with modern day Jews, including those whose families migrated "back" to Israel after World War II, you would find that the modern Jews are descendants of the original Israelites, as not a lot of people convert to Judaism. So, they are technically, the indigenous peoples of the area.
Second: In an on camera interview with a Saudi (based upon his attire), the Arab was asked why there is so much conflict over Israel. I have to give the Saudi credit, saying honestly, that it has little to do about the land of Israel. It's about "subjugation." In short, submit to Islam.

The bloodline is irrelevant. When they rejected Jesus they rejected God. At that point they are no longer “Jews”.