The right NOT to be offended pt I (liberal version)

[MaryL]

Circa 2020: Seems a huge upsurge in folks that think if THEY are offended by something equates to we can censor whatever THEY want. I go back to the early sixties. Lenny Bruce. Circa 1960 something. The political sensors put him in jail. Liberals want to dictate like that NOW. What has changed?

 

[BULLDOG]

Circa 2020: Seems a huge upsurge in folks that think if THEY are offended by something equates to we can censor whatever THEY want. I go back to the early sixties. Lenny Bruce. Circa 1960 something. The political sensors put him in jail. Liberals want to dictate like that NOW. What has changed?

It might seem that way to you, but that's probably because you aren't getting your information from credible sources. You can find someone reinforcing every misconception you have, if you look hard enough. It seems that is what you have done.

 

[dblack]

Circa 2020: Seems a huge upsurge in folks that think if THEY are offended by something equates to we can censor whatever THEY want. I go back to the early sixties. Lenny Bruce. Circa 1960 something. The political sensors put him in jail. Liberals want to dictate like that NOW. What has changed?

I'll try to break this down into simple terms, but I'm not sure it will make sense to you. AS you noted, it was political censors - government - who censored Lenny Bruce. They actually arrested him and put him jail. That's censorship. Now, some nightclub owners thought Lennie Bruce was too risqué, and they didn't let him play at their clubs. That was not censorship. It was just some nightclub owners not hosting Lenny Bruce. Get it?

I know. It's hard. But keep trying.

 

[wamose]

Liberals are misguided pussies. Someone told them they were tough and they went out and tried to prove it on windows and buildings. I'd cut law enforcement loose on them and they'd STFU directly. These antifa and BLM assholes are pretenders waging terrorism with their stupid parents money.

 

[pknopp]

Liberals are misguided pussies. Someone told them they were tough and they went out and tried to prove it on windows and buildings. I'd cut law enforcement loose on them and they'd STFU directly. These antifa and BLM assholes are pretenders waging terrorism with their stupid parents money.

I thought it was Soros money?

 

[dblack]

Liberals are misguided pussies. Someone told them they were tough and they went out and tried to prove it on windows and buildings. I'd cut law enforcement loose on them and they'd STFU directly. These antifa and BLM assholes are pretenders waging terrorism with their stupid parents money.

I thought it was Soros money?

Someone needs to catch up on their Alex Jones.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Circa 2020: Seems a huge upsurge in folks that think if THEY are offended by something equates to we can censor whatever THEY want. I go back to the early sixties. Lenny Bruce. Circa 1960 something. The political sensors put him in jail. Liberals want to dictate like that NOW. What has changed?

I'll try to break this down into simple terms, but I'm not sure it will make sense to you. AS you noted, it was political censors - government - who censored Lenny Bruce. They actually arrested him and put him jail. That's censorship. Now, some nightclub owners thought Lennie Bruce was too risqué, and they didn't let him play at their clubs. That was not censorship. It was just some nightclub owners not hosting Lenny Bruce. Get it?

I know. It's hard. But keep trying.

This is becoming a tired argument. We're past the point where we're talking about a night club here and there that doesn't want to host a comedian. We're talking about online platforms that have become the place where a majority of our nation's public discourse takes place. When THOSE platforms decide that someone is persona non grata, particularly when several of the primary social media giants all do so simultaneously (like what they did to Alex Jones), that person is effectively cut off from taking part in the political dialogue. That's why the courts declared Donald Trump's twitter to be a free speech platform from which he's not legally allowed to block people. Trying to apply the private "censorship" logic to the current paradigm that was applicable in Lenny Bruce's heyday is incredibly obtuse, Warden.

Might as well tell the black people sitting in on lunch counters during the Civil Rights era, "Hey, they're not telling you you're not allowed to eat. They're just telling you you're not allowed to eat HERE. What's this got to do with your rights?"

 

[daveman]

Attention, liberals:

There is no right to not be offended. You just need to grow the **** up.

Hope that clears up your obvious confusion.

 

[pknopp]

Attention, liberals:

There is no right to not be offended. You just need to grow the **** up.

Hope that clears up your obvious confusion.

You sound offended.

 

[dblack]

We're past the point where we're talking about a night club here and there that doesn't want to host a comedian. We're talking about online platforms that have become the place where a majority of our nation's public discourse takes place.

Oh, I see. Cool. Just like socialism. Are you a Marxist?

 

[Rocko]

Liberals have gotten much worse than you’re describing. Not only are you not allowed to offend their sensibilities, but they are insisting that you speak out or you’re complicit in systemic racism. Oh by speak out they mean repeat after them and say it with feeling.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

We're past the point where we're talking about a night club here and there that doesn't want to host a comedian. We're talking about online platforms that have become the place where a majority of our nation's public discourse takes place.

Oh, I see. Cool. Just like socialism. Are you a Marxist?

No. I don't view public accomodations laws to be Marxism. I believe that nationalizing industries in an attempt to create a post-scarcity society with no classes and no leaders is Marxism.

You do realize that this Marx guy and his buddy Engels actually penned a couple of relatively well known books laying out his political/economic philosophy, yes? Maybe check in on those before declaring that any random government regulation is a product of that asshole's goofy ideas.

 

[dblack]

Attention, liberals:

There is no right to not be offended. You just need to grow the **** up.

Hope that clears up your obvious confusion.

Of course there's not a right to not be offended. But there is a right to be offended, and a right to refuse to accommodate people you find offensive.

 

[MaryL]

Bruce was censored by the scolds at the time and he committed suicide. Now? The politically correct puritan scolds DOX or tear down century old statues and the effect is to shut down free speech.

 

[dblack]

We're past the point where we're talking about a night club here and there that doesn't want to host a comedian. We're talking about online platforms that have become the place where a majority of our nation's public discourse takes place.

Oh, I see. Cool. Just like socialism. Are you a Marxist?

No. I don't view public accomodations laws to be Marxism. I believe that nationalizing industries in an attempt to create a post-scarcity society with no classes and no leaders is Marxism. Brush up on your definitions.

Yeah... all those terms kinda blur for me. Marxism, socialism, democratic socialism, corporatism, etc... It's all the same principle, so I never really bother distinguishing them.

 

[fncceo]

The political sensors

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

We're past the point where we're talking about a night club here and there that doesn't want to host a comedian. We're talking about online platforms that have become the place where a majority of our nation's public discourse takes place.

Oh, I see. Cool. Just like socialism. Are you a Marxist?

No. I don't view public accomodations laws to be Marxism. I believe that nationalizing industries in an attempt to create a post-scarcity society with no classes and no leaders is Marxism. Brush up on your definitions.

Yeah... all those terms kinda blur for me. It's all the same principle, so I never really bother distinguishing them.

So you're citing your own lack of nuance as proof of your claims? Holy shit, that's so progressive that I don't even know how to respond.

Actually, no, I do. Preventing situations where a person can be gridlocked out of being able to exercise their rights, by a critical mass of dominant businesses who refuse to serve them, does NOT run along the same principles as trying to create a classless, leaderless society. I can't believe I have to spell that out.

 

[irosie91]

Circa 2020: Seems a huge upsurge in folks that think if THEY are offended by something equates to we can censor whatever THEY want. I go back to the early sixties. Lenny Bruce. Circa 1960 something. The political sensors put him in jail. Liberals want to dictate like that NOW. What has changed?

I'll try to break this down into simple terms, but I'm not sure it will make sense to you. AS you noted, it was political censors - government - who censored Lenny Bruce. They actually arrested him and put him jail. That's censorship. Now, some nightclub owners thought Lennie Bruce was too risqué, and they didn't let him play at their clubs. That was not censorship. It was just some nightclub owners not hosting Lenny Bruce. Get it?

I know. It's hard. But keep trying.

Lenny was arrested for violating obscenity laws on stage-----it was not a big deal----just a "thing" of those times.

 

[dblack]

We're past the point where we're talking about a night club here and there that doesn't want to host a comedian. We're talking about online platforms that have become the place where a majority of our nation's public discourse takes place.

Oh, I see. Cool. Just like socialism. Are you a Marxist?

No. I don't view public accomodations laws to be Marxism. I believe that nationalizing industries in an attempt to create a post-scarcity society with no classes and no leaders is Marxism. Brush up on your definitions.

Yeah... all those terms kinda blur for me. It's all the same principle, so I never really bother distinguishing them.

So you're citing your own lack of nuance as proof of your claims? Holy shit, that's so progressive that I don't even know how to respond.

For the record, preventing situations where a person can be gridlocked out of being able to exercise their rights, by a critical mass of dominant businesses who refuse to serve them, does NOT run along the same principles as trying to create a classless, leaderless society. I can't believe I have to spell that out.

What? Dood, you're the one who wants to nationalize (oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to use the pc-word: "regulate") facebook because the majority of people use it.

It's that unlimited enthusiasm for state control that makes you bastards so dangerous.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

We're past the point where we're talking about a night club here and there that doesn't want to host a comedian. We're talking about online platforms that have become the place where a majority of our nation's public discourse takes place.

Oh, I see. Cool. Just like socialism. Are you a Marxist?

No. I don't view public accomodations laws to be Marxism. I believe that nationalizing industries in an attempt to create a post-scarcity society with no classes and no leaders is Marxism. Brush up on your definitions.

Yeah... all those terms kinda blur for me. It's all the same principle, so I never really bother distinguishing them.

So you're citing your own lack of nuance as proof of your claims? Holy shit, that's so progressive that I don't even know how to respond.

For the record, preventing situations where a person can be gridlocked out of being able to exercise their rights, by a critical mass of dominant businesses who refuse to serve them, does NOT run along the same principles as trying to create a classless, leaderless society. I can't believe I have to spell that out.

What? Dood, you're the one that wants to nationalize (oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to you the pc-word, "regulate") facebook because the majority of people use it.

It's that unlimited enthusiasm for state control that makes you bastards so dangerous.

Regulating a business and nationalizing a business aren't nearly the same thing, you absolute f'in moron.

Unlimited enthusiasm for state control? Holy shit you clearly have no idea what I believe about government control. Why not stick to arguing with things that I've actually said in stead of building that straw man?