The Rich in America are Stealing from the Poor

[HereWeGoAgain]

What I am getting at is I don't under stand what you are saying? The operators at my work, don't do anything more complicated then 30 years ago, except they have to keep track of there rejects, good parts, write them down and make damn sure they catch short shots, splay, burns, flash... Back then no one really gave a damn

There is some truth to needing to know more these days.
When I fist got into machining CNCs where in there infancy and ran off punch tapes.
Now of course it's computers.
Hell,most shops didnt even have a CNC,now they've pretty much taken over and manual machinist are hard to come by.
The other side of it is it allows a shop to hire a programer and a set up guy and put a bunch of button pushers on the machine for twelve bucks an hour.
While skilled manual machinist is making the big bucks on R&D and one or two piece orders.

Lmao I Remember seeing the old ticker tape, and watched my dad at work design with out cad in the 80s, I am also a good manual machinist, took 3 years of mold making in college in the 80s grew up with a lath and bridge port in my garage.
I am also a great plastic processor and I totally get your drift about button pushers, I have idiots mold techs at work on 3rd who loads a mold program and if it don't make good parts they call me right away, there are making $28 bucks an hour and as dumb as crap. Most the time it is a very simple machine or robot program adjustment

I did every thing from NASA flight hardware,R&D on the F-22 Raptor,artificial hearts on down to oil field parts over the years. The NASA stuff was the most interesting.

 

[danielpalos]

Than why dont I see liberals calling for lower taxes on this board?

Taxes are too low, obviously, since we aren't paying our bills.

Lower spending would require lower taxes.

Why would lower spending require lower taxes? Investments can be done through massive budget surpluses instead of simple fiat.

 

[danielpalos]

What I am getting at is I don't under stand what you are saying? The operators at my work, don't do anything more complicated then 30 years ago, except they have to keep track of there rejects, good parts, write them down and make damn sure they catch short shots, splay, burns, flash... Back then no one really gave a damn

There is some truth to needing to know more these days.
When I fist got into machining CNCs where in there infancy and ran off punch tapes.
Now of course it's computers.
Hell,most shops didnt even have a CNC,now they've pretty much taken over and manual machinist are hard to come by.
The other side of it is it allows a shop to hire a programer and a set up guy and put a bunch of button pushers on the machine for twelve bucks an hour.
While skilled manual machinist is making the big bucks on R&D and one or two piece orders.

Lmao I Remember seeing the old ticker tape, and watched my dad at work design with out cad in the 80s, I am also a good manual machinist, took 3 years of mold making in college in the 80s grew up with a lath and bridge port in my garage.
I am also a great plastic processor and I totally get your drift about button pushers, I have idiots mold techs at work on 3rd who loads a mold program and if it don't make good parts they call me right away, there are making $28 bucks an hour and as dumb as crap. Most the time it is a very simple machine or robot program adjustment

mail sorting machines can take some time to learn to adjust properly.

 

[Mad Scientist]

The Rich control this country through it's Political system that is completely corrupt and has been for at least 100 years.

 

[Wyatt earp]

What I am getting at is I don't under stand what you are saying? The operators at my work, don't do anything more complicated then 30 years ago, except they have to keep track of there rejects, good parts, write them down and make damn sure they catch short shots, splay, burns, flash... Back then no one really gave a damn

There is some truth to needing to know more these days.
When I fist got into machining CNCs where in there infancy and ran off punch tapes.
Now of course it's computers.
Hell,most shops didnt even have a CNC,now they've pretty much taken over and manual machinist are hard to come by.
The other side of it is it allows a shop to hire a programer and a set up guy and put a bunch of button pushers on the machine for twelve bucks an hour.
While skilled manual machinist is making the big bucks on R&D and one or two piece orders.

Lmao I Remember seeing the old ticker tape, and watched my dad at work design with out cad in the 80s, I am also a good manual machinist, took 3 years of mold making in college in the 80s grew up with a lath and bridge port in my garage.
I am also a great plastic processor and I totally get your drift about button pushers, I have idiots mold techs at work on 3rd who loads a mold program and if it don't make good parts they call me right away, there are making $28 bucks an hour and as dumb as crap. Most the time it is a very simple machine or robot program adjustment

I did every thing from NASA flight hardware,R&D f-22 Raptor,artificial hearts on down to oil field parts over the years. The NASA stuff was the most interesting.

Cool, that would of been fun being involved in that. My brother designs guided systems, builds them for navy missles, my dad did a a bunch of new military designs during nam' hand gernandes (spl) barb wire , new train doors and the like
The funnest stuff I love doing is trouble shooting machines and problems, nothing feels better then trying to figure out a robot 3 axis or 6 axis program problem, or a hydraulic problem, or a electrical problem, when it has been kicking 1st, 2nd shifts ass for 16 hours and I come in and she is running fine under 2 hours

That always makes my night they get pissed at me

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Than why dont I see liberals calling for lower taxes on this board?

Taxes are too low, obviously, since we aren't paying our bills.

Lower spending would require lower taxes.

Show us your cuts, and how much they save?

So you think I have the time to go over a budget that the politicians in washington dont even read?
We all know government waste is rampant,and we also know that the American tax payer is not able to keep up to the governments demand for more money.
It's not about what we cut...because the whole damn thing is going to collapse in short order.
Military,police,fire,basic infrastructure like roads and bridges are the obvious keepers. Anything beyond that needs to be looked at more closely.
No more foreign aid unless we stand to profit,remove military bases from foreign countries that provide no strategic value.
And of course it would be nice to know where the billions that just seem to disappear went.
Our government is out of control.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Revolucion Americanistas !!!!

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

What I am getting at is I don't under stand what you are saying? The operators at my work, don't do anything more complicated then 30 years ago, except they have to keep track of there rejects, good parts, write them down and make damn sure they catch short shots, splay, burns, flash... Back then no one really gave a damn

There is some truth to needing to know more these days.
When I fist got into machining CNCs where in there infancy and ran off punch tapes.
Now of course it's computers.
Hell,most shops didnt even have a CNC,now they've pretty much taken over and manual machinist are hard to come by.
The other side of it is it allows a shop to hire a programer and a set up guy and put a bunch of button pushers on the machine for twelve bucks an hour.
While skilled manual machinist is making the big bucks on R&D and one or two piece orders.

Lmao I Remember seeing the old ticker tape, and watched my dad at work design with out cad in the 80s, I am also a good manual machinist, took 3 years of mold making in college in the 80s grew up with a lath and bridge port in my garage.
I am also a great plastic processor and I totally get your drift about button pushers, I have idiots mold techs at work on 3rd who loads a mold program and if it don't make good parts they call me right away, there are making $28 bucks an hour and as dumb as crap. Most the time it is a very simple machine or robot program adjustment

I did every thing from NASA flight hardware,R&D f-22 Raptor,artificial hearts on down to oil field parts over the years. The NASA stuff was the most interesting.

Cool, that would of been fun being involved in that. My brother designs guided systems, builds them for navy missles, my dad did a a bunch of new military designs during nam' hand gernandes (spl) barb wire , new train doors and the like
The funnest stuff I love doing is trouble shooting machines and problems, nothing feels better then trying to figure out a robot 3 axis or 6 axis program problem, or a hydraulic problem, or a electrical problem, when it has been kicking 1st, 2nd shifts ass for 16 hours and I come in and she is running fine under 2 hours

That always makes my night they get pissed at me

One of the memories that has stuck with me the most was the day a guy scrapped a $3 million piece of sub flooring for the space shuttle.
Dude worked on it for months and scrapped it at the very end.
He was puking in the chip pan and took several days off.
Some seriously stressful work but gratifying.

 

[Wyatt earp]

What I am getting at is I don't under stand what you are saying? The operators at my work, don't do anything more complicated then 30 years ago, except they have to keep track of there rejects, good parts, write them down and make damn sure they catch short shots, splay, burns, flash... Back then no one really gave a damn

There is some truth to needing to know more these days.
When I fist got into machining CNCs where in there infancy and ran off punch tapes.
Now of course it's computers.
Hell,most shops didnt even have a CNC,now they've pretty much taken over and manual machinist are hard to come by.
The other side of it is it allows a shop to hire a programer and a set up guy and put a bunch of button pushers on the machine for twelve bucks an hour.
While skilled manual machinist is making the big bucks on R&D and one or two piece orders.

Lmao I Remember seeing the old ticker tape, and watched my dad at work design with out cad in the 80s, I am also a good manual machinist, took 3 years of mold making in college in the 80s grew up with a lath and bridge port in my garage.
I am also a great plastic processor and I totally get your drift about button pushers, I have idiots mold techs at work on 3rd who loads a mold program and if it don't make good parts they call me right away, there are making $28 bucks an hour and as dumb as crap. Most the time it is a very simple machine or robot program adjustment

mail sorting machines can take some time to learn to adjust properly.

Yea I know all about automation, my dad used to design it in his latter years, and I always had to fix his peers crappy designs, only once did I have to work on a machine my dad designed and it sucked lol I found his old company name on it when I lived in Arizona, called him up to complain he designed a piece of crap in the 90s and he swore up and down he Don't remember it . Lol

 

[Yarddog]

Yep, and the economy suffers because of it. Either spread the wealth, or suffer in poverty. Pick one?

And yet these bastards can't pay a little more in taxes to maintain our infrastructure and fund our greatness as a nation? Fuck the 1%! They're stealing and taking advantage of the American people.

"Top earners are the main target of tax increases, but the federal income tax system is already highly progressive. The top 10 percent of income earners paid 68 percent of all federal income taxes in 2011 while earning 45 percent of all income. The bottom 50 percent paid 3 percent of income taxes but earned 12 percent of income."

How much more should they pay?

Than why dont I see liberals calling for lower taxes on this board?

Taxes are too low, obviously, since we aren't paying our bills.

Lower spending would require lower taxes.

Show us your cuts, and how much they save?

Telling Taxpayers How to Eat ($15 billion) – Yes, that’s billion with a “b” in front. In a massive overstep of government power, Obamacare carved out $15 billion for CDC to convince Americans to make “healthy” choices through “Community Transformation Grants” (CTG). The CTG program “supports efforts to modify behavior through anti-obesity campaigns, as well as anti-smoking and pro-sin tax regulations and legislation” at the state and local levels, according to the bipartisan Citizens Against Government Waste. - See more at: Hey Journalists 15 Ways NIH And CDC Wasted Taxpayer Money

Maybe you could start there. a lot of the waste comes from projects and studys that dont help anybody except for the people who are getting paid with taxpayer money

 

[Edgetho]

Revolucion Americanistas !!!!

The only measurable difference between Nazis and dimocrap scum is that the Nazis used Class AND race Warfare against their political enemies and dimocrap scum use........

Wait a sec

 

[regent]

The rich do not get government

The Rich control this country through it's Political system that is completely corrupt and has been for at least 100 years.

The rich pay handsomely for legislation that keeps them rich, and poor people do not.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

To be railing against "the rich" in the year 2015, means that there are far too many idiots in the general population. Any quick glance of history reveals that targeting the rich is always followed quickly by unimaginable poverty, misery, slavery and mass murder. Mao's China, Stalin's USSR and Hitler's Germany are they three shining examples of Progressive economic ideas backed by an all powerful central government.

It's NEVER lead to great prosperity not once, not even by accident. You have to wonder how totally stupid and brainwashed someone would have to be to espouse this failed idea

 

[Wyatt earp]

What I am getting at is I don't under stand what you are saying? The operators at my work, don't do anything more complicated then 30 years ago, except they have to keep track of there rejects, good parts, write them down and make damn sure they catch short shots, splay, burns, flash... Back then no one really gave a damn

There is some truth to needing to know more these days.
When I fist got into machining CNCs where in there infancy and ran off punch tapes.
Now of course it's computers.
Hell,most shops didnt even have a CNC,now they've pretty much taken over and manual machinist are hard to come by.
The other side of it is it allows a shop to hire a programer and a set up guy and put a bunch of button pushers on the machine for twelve bucks an hour.
While skilled manual machinist is making the big bucks on R&D and one or two piece orders.

Lmao I Remember seeing the old ticker tape, and watched my dad at work design with out cad in the 80s, I am also a good manual machinist, took 3 years of mold making in college in the 80s grew up with a lath and bridge port in my garage.
I am also a great plastic processor and I totally get your drift about button pushers, I have idiots mold techs at work on 3rd who loads a mold program and if it don't make good parts they call me right away, there are making $28 bucks an hour and as dumb as crap. Most the time it is a very simple machine or robot program adjustment

I did every thing from NASA flight hardware,R&D f-22 Raptor,artificial hearts on down to oil field parts over the years. The NASA stuff was the most interesting.

Cool, that would of been fun being involved in that. My brother designs guided systems, builds them for navy missles, my dad did a a bunch of new military designs during nam' hand gernandes (spl) barb wire , new train doors and the like
The funnest stuff I love doing is trouble shooting machines and problems, nothing feels better then trying to figure out a robot 3 axis or 6 axis program problem, or a hydraulic problem, or a electrical problem, when it has been kicking 1st, 2nd shifts ass for 16 hours and I come in and she is running fine under 2 hours

That always makes my night they get pissed at me

One of the memories that has stuck with me the most was the day a guy scrapped a $3 million piece of sub flooring for the space shuttle.
Dude worked on it for months and scrapped it at the very end.
He was puking in the chip pan and took several days off.
Some seriously stressful work but gratifying.

I wish someone around are age would write some interesting and funny books about the past 40 years of industry/ manufacturing, it would be a great read, we all have info/tricks and funny as hell storys to tell.

 

[kwc57]

The 1% are worth say 40% of the wealth in America and so if you do that math with 315million people that means the 1%er is supposedly....

1.26million times more productive (richer) than everyone else.

I am going to go ahead and just declare that it is IMPOSSIBLE for any one person to be 1.26 million times more productive than anyone else.

Let alone a whole class of people.

This alone is proof that the 1% and all the rich in America at large are Stealing from the labor of the rest of America.

So to any of you who claim that the welfare recipients and liberals want to steal from the hard earned fruits of another person's labor go fuck yourself we are not stupid you're the stupid idiots who justify the rich stealing the production and fruit of the labor of everyone else including your dumbass selves.

The intelligent in America are stealing from the stupid like IDNeon and it has to stop. There are after all only so many brain cells to go around and the intelligent are using more than their "fair share". Same with good looks, the beautiful are stealing all the looks from the ugly. Dammit, it isn't fair. Someone in gubmint needs to do something about it.

 

[Flash]

The Rich control this country through it's Political system that is completely corrupt and has been for at least 100 years.

The filthy unions with their billion dollar election donations and the welfare queens with their voting numbers are controlling the political system. How do you think Obama got elected?

Of course we do have the Limousine Liberals like George Soros and his $3.5 billion Left Wing slush fund buying a trained monkey in the White House.

Now we have the rich billionaire environmental wacko buying Congress and the White House.

 

[Staidhup]

Another rant about those that want what others have without working for it. da da da de da..Maybe its time to think, with what gray mater you have, about why corporations and manufacturers moved their operations overseas and now consider corporate structured inversions. But then again it requires a little thought which should not be viewed as work and not a free ride.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

How do you steal from someone who has nothing?

This gets my vote for dumbfuck-thread-of-the-day.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

There is some truth to needing to know more these days.
When I fist got into machining CNCs where in there infancy and ran off punch tapes.
Now of course it's computers.
Hell,most shops didnt even have a CNC,now they've pretty much taken over and manual machinist are hard to come by.
The other side of it is it allows a shop to hire a programer and a set up guy and put a bunch of button pushers on the machine for twelve bucks an hour.
While skilled manual machinist is making the big bucks on R&D and one or two piece orders.

Lmao I Remember seeing the old ticker tape, and watched my dad at work design with out cad in the 80s, I am also a good manual machinist, took 3 years of mold making in college in the 80s grew up with a lath and bridge port in my garage.
I am also a great plastic processor and I totally get your drift about button pushers, I have idiots mold techs at work on 3rd who loads a mold program and if it don't make good parts they call me right away, there are making $28 bucks an hour and as dumb as crap. Most the time it is a very simple machine or robot program adjustment

I did every thing from NASA flight hardware,R&D f-22 Raptor,artificial hearts on down to oil field parts over the years. The NASA stuff was the most interesting.

Cool, that would of been fun being involved in that. My brother designs guided systems, builds them for navy missles, my dad did a a bunch of new military designs during nam' hand gernandes (spl) barb wire , new train doors and the like
The funnest stuff I love doing is trouble shooting machines and problems, nothing feels better then trying to figure out a robot 3 axis or 6 axis program problem, or a hydraulic problem, or a electrical problem, when it has been kicking 1st, 2nd shifts ass for 16 hours and I come in and she is running fine under 2 hours

That always makes my night they get pissed at me

One of the memories that has stuck with me the most was the day a guy scrapped a $3 million piece of sub flooring for the space shuttle.
Dude worked on it for months and scrapped it at the very end.
He was puking in the chip pan and took several days off.
Some seriously stressful work but gratifying.

I wish someone around are age would write some interesting and funny books about the past 40 years of industry/ manufacturing, it would be a great read, we all have info/tricks and funny as hell storys to tell.

It's amazing how the industry has changed.
The first shop I worked in the boss had an old International Harvester refrigerator with a keg in it.
You were allowed two beers at lunch,and all you could drink after hours if you stuck around and played poker.
It was like a big family really.

 

[Mad Scientist]

How do you steal from someone who has nothing?

This gets my vote for dumbfuck-thread-of-the-day.

Poor people have all the money.