The religion of atheists is socialism

[rightwinger]

How is non belief fanaticism?

The fanaticism belongs to those who start threads about those who do not buy into their fairy tales

I have already explained it to you. When it elicits a fanatical response to an attack on your dogma of socialism, then it is a religion.

Odd stretch of logic........but I guess if you will believe in a magic man in the sky, you will believe anything

So you can recognize the fanatical behaviors of a religious person ans draw a line but you can't recognize the fanatical behaviors of a socialist zealot and draw a line?

Once again, your lack of logic amuses me

Let me tell you about this jolly old elf who comes down my chimney and brings me toys.......if you don't believe me....You are a SOCIALIST!

I'm happy enough to let others decide for them selves which one of us is using logic and the power of observation and which one of us is using emotion.

The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals.

Calm down snowflake.....

Can I interest you in a safe space?

 

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Calm down snowflake..... Can I interest you in a safe place?

I'm pretty calm. I'm not the one who "feels" like his religion is being attacked.

It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts.

 

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Its not my definitions. I'm not the first one to recognize the behaviors. I didn't come up with this on my own. It is nothing new. In fact, it is quite an old observation.

Michail Bakunins sozial-politischer Briefwechsel mit Alexander Ivanovitsch Herzen. Stuttgart, 1895.

G. Le Bon. Psychologie du socialisme. (Quotations refer to Russian translation, Psikhologiia sotsializma, St. Petersburg, 1908.)

S. Frank. "Etika nigilizma" ("The Ethics of Nihilism," in Russian). In: Vekhi (Landmarks), Moscow, 1909.

S. Bulgakov. Pervokhristianstvo i noveishii sotsializm (Early Christianity and Modern Socialism, in Russian). Moscow, 1911.

S. Bulgakov. Khristianstvo i sotsializm (Christianity and Socialism, in Russian). Moscow, 1917

W. Gurian. Der Bolschewismus. Freiburg, 1931 giia sotsializma, St. Petersburg, 1908.)

H. Marcuse. Eros and Civilization. A Philosophical Inquiry into Freud. Boston, 1955

I. Shafarevich. The Socialist Phenomeon, 1980 by Harper & Row

So other religious fanatics agree with you?
Color me shocked

Now, explain to the nice people about the magic man in the sky

There's the rub... just as not all atheists are socialists, not all Christians are evangelicals.

Well there's the point for you bub, shove your broad brush categorizations up your arse. And twist.

How exactly were those broad brushes. They either describe you are they don't. Which is it?

Do you want a bigger central government?
Do you want your central government to regulate social issues?
Do you want to re-distribute wealth?
Do you want to subordinate religion?

Nope, thanks for finally asking jackass.

Get over yourself. The Mod had enough common sense to ask for clarification. You were either too stupid to do so, or my description hit its mark.

 

[rightwinger]

Socialism is the belief in strong government involvement in social programs and controlling the means of production

Atheism is the belief that those who believe in a magical man in the sky are kind of goofy

One has nothing to do with the other

 

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Socialism is the belief in strong government involvement in social programs and controlling the means of production

Atheism is the belief that those who believe in a magical man in the sky are kind of goofy

One has nothing to do with the other

Except when it becomes elevated to a religion as evidenced by fanaticism.

 

[rightwinger]

Socialism is the belief in strong government involvement in social programs and controlling the means of production

Atheism is the belief that those who believe in a magical man in the sky are kind of goofy

One has nothing to do with the other

Except when it becomes elevated to a religion as evidenced by fanaticism.

So you claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism?

 

[ding]

Socialism is the belief in strong government involvement in social programs and controlling the means of production

Atheism is the belief that those who believe in a magical man in the sky are kind of goofy

One has nothing to do with the other

Except when it becomes elevated to a religion as evidenced by fanaticism.

So you claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism?

No. I don't claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism. Ayn Rand would be a good example. One of our mods, don't taz me, would be a good example. I am claiming that they don't behave like religious fanatics and have not elevated their beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that it is primarily the militant atheists who behave like religious fanatics who have elevated their beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who behaves like a religious fanatic when his doctrines of socialism are attacked has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who spend his days arguing against others having religious beliefs has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that the majority of atheists don't really care and have not elevated their beliefs to a dogma/religion.

 

[rightwinger]

Socialism is the belief in strong government involvement in social programs and controlling the means of production

Atheism is the belief that those who believe in a magical man in the sky are kind of goofy

One has nothing to do with the other

Except when it becomes elevated to a religion as evidenced by fanaticism.

So you claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism?

No. I don't claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism. Ayn Rand would be a good example. One of our mods, don't taz me, would be a good example. I am claiming that they don't behave like religious fanatics and has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that it is primarily the militant atheists who behave like religious fanatics and has elevated their beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who behaves like a religious fanatic when his doctrines of socialism are attacked has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who spend his days arguing against others having religious beliefs has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion.

Seems you are creating a false satan of atheism.
Atheists don't have a dogma/religion....they just find your beliefs to be goofy.
It is not atheists going door to door to sell atheism. ISIS is not comprised of atheists.

 

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Socialism is the belief in strong government involvement in social programs and controlling the means of production

Atheism is the belief that those who believe in a magical man in the sky are kind of goofy

One has nothing to do with the other

Except when it becomes elevated to a religion as evidenced by fanaticism.

So you claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism?

No. I don't claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism. Ayn Rand would be a good example. One of our mods, don't taz me, would be a good example. I am claiming that they don't behave like religious fanatics and has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that it is primarily the militant atheists who behave like religious fanatics and has elevated their beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who behaves like a religious fanatic when his doctrines of socialism are attacked has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who spend his days arguing against others having religious beliefs has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion.

Seems you are creating a false satan of atheism.
Atheists don't have a dogma/religion....they just find your beliefs to be goofy.
It is not atheists going door to door to sell atheism. ISIS is not comprised of atheists.

I don't believe I am. I believe I am making observations. The same observations that were made over the last hundred years by Le Bon, Frank, Bulgakov, Gurian and Shafarevich. Furthermore, Marcuse's incorporation of Fourier and Freud into the fabric of cultural marxism can only be seen as a religious element where man's guiding principles of life do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts which can only be seen as the deification of man. It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. And finally... there has never been a communist state where atheism was not their religion.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Socialism is the belief in strong government involvement in social programs and controlling the means of production

Atheism is the belief that those who believe in a magical man in the sky are kind of goofy

One has nothing to do with the other

Except when it becomes elevated to a religion as evidenced by fanaticism.

Who started the thread? Who's the fanatic again love?

 

[ding]

Socialism is the belief in strong government involvement in social programs and controlling the means of production

Atheism is the belief that those who believe in a magical man in the sky are kind of goofy

One has nothing to do with the other

Except when it becomes elevated to a religion as evidenced by fanaticism.

Who started the thread? Who's the fanatic again love?

Well... since you are coming back for more, I'm going to go with you. Tell me, what bothered you more being told that you were acting like a religious fanatic or being associated with socialists?

 

[Fenton Lum]

Socialism is the belief in strong government involvement in social programs and controlling the means of production

Atheism is the belief that those who believe in a magical man in the sky are kind of goofy

One has nothing to do with the other

Except when it becomes elevated to a religion as evidenced by fanaticism.

So you claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism?

No. I don't claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism. Ayn Rand would be a good example. One of our mods, don't taz me, would be a good example. I am claiming that they don't behave like religious fanatics and has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that it is primarily the militant atheists who behave like religious fanatics and has elevated their beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who behaves like a religious fanatic when his doctrines of socialism are attacked has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who spend his days arguing against others having religious beliefs has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion.

Seems you are creating a false satan of atheism.
Atheists don't have a dogma/religion....they just find your beliefs to be goofy.
It is not atheists going door to door to sell atheism. ISIS is not comprised of atheists.

I don't believe I am. I believe I am making observations. The same observations that were made over the last hundred years by Le Bon, Frank, Bulgakov, Gurian and Shafarevich. Furthermore, Marcuse's incorporation of Fourier and Freud into the fabric of cultural marxism can only be seen as a religious element where man's guiding principles of life do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts which can only be seen as the deification of man. It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. And finally... there has never been a communist state where atheism was not their religion.

If your alternative is a male dominator god religion coupled with current american style capitalism, the natives appear restless pard. Male dominator god religions really took humanity to dark places; where men began to view the creator in human form, and and by extension, wealthy white males became god. And any authoritarian system like that needs the masses separated from their own best interests while the comcept of community and a society with any interest in common must be wiped from the minds of the masses.

You're not really open to anything now, because you believe. Thinking is a threat to your believing.

Please do drop some more names, it will help confuse some bluring the line even more between articulate and enlightened.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Socialism is the belief in strong government involvement in social programs and controlling the means of production

Atheism is the belief that those who believe in a magical man in the sky are kind of goofy

One has nothing to do with the other

Except when it becomes elevated to a religion as evidenced by fanaticism.

Who started the thread? Who's the fanatic again love?

Well... since you are coming back for more, I'm going to go with you. Tell me, what bothered you more being told that you were acting like a religious fanatic or being associated with socialists?

You're clearly just here for a pissing match sir, I'll leave you to that, pass.

 

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Please do drop some more names, it will help confuse some bluring the line even more between articulate and enlightened.

Anyone who scoffed at accepting knowledge on the authority of others would have to go around knowing next to nothing as 90% of what we know is accepted on the authority of others.

You're not really open to anything now, because you believe. Thinking is a threat to your believing.

Don't be silly. It is you who is not open to anything. Just look at how you are behaving. What would you like me to think about? That atheists don't attack religious beliefs? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That atheists are not predominantly liberals? No. I'm pretty sure they are. That liberals are not inflamed by social issues? No. I'm pretty sure they are. That when people's elevate beliefs to a dogma and when those beliefs are attacked they respond like a religious fanatic who has had his religion attacked? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals lack accountability and blame others? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals don't tell others that their problems are because of rich people? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals don't want to redistribute wealth? No. I'm pretty sure they do.

So please tell me what you want me to think about. Better yet, tell me what I have gotten wrong.

If your alternative is a male dominator god religion coupled with current american style capitalism, the natives appear restless pard. Male dominator god religions really took humanity to dark places; where men began to view the creator in human form, and and by extension, wealthy white males became god. And any authoritarian system like that needs the masses separated from their own best interests while the comcept of community and a society with any interest in common must be wiped from the minds of the masses.

How is this any different than what Marcuse, the father of cultural marxism, said?

 

[ding]

Socialism is the belief in strong government involvement in social programs and controlling the means of production

Atheism is the belief that those who believe in a magical man in the sky are kind of goofy

One has nothing to do with the other

Except when it becomes elevated to a religion as evidenced by fanaticism.

Who started the thread? Who's the fanatic again love?

Well... since you are coming back for more, I'm going to go with you. Tell me, what bothered you more being told that you were acting like a religious fanatic or being associated with socialists?

You're clearly just here for a pissing match sir, I'll leave you to that, pass.

Tell me, what bothered you more being told that you were acting like a religious fanatic or being associated with socialists?

 

[rightwinger]

Socialism is the belief in strong government involvement in social programs and controlling the means of production

Atheism is the belief that those who believe in a magical man in the sky are kind of goofy

One has nothing to do with the other

Except when it becomes elevated to a religion as evidenced by fanaticism.

So you claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism?

No. I don't claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism. Ayn Rand would be a good example. One of our mods, don't taz me, would be a good example. I am claiming that they don't behave like religious fanatics and has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that it is primarily the militant atheists who behave like religious fanatics and has elevated their beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who behaves like a religious fanatic when his doctrines of socialism are attacked has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who spend his days arguing against others having religious beliefs has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion.

Seems you are creating a false satan of atheism.
Atheists don't have a dogma/religion....they just find your beliefs to be goofy.
It is not atheists going door to door to sell atheism. ISIS is not comprised of atheists.

I don't believe I am. I believe I am making observations. The same observations that were made over the last hundred years by Le Bon, Frank, Bulgakov, Gurian and Shafarevich. Furthermore, Marcuse's incorporation of Fourier and Freud into the fabric of cultural marxism can only be seen as a religious element where man's guiding principles of life do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts which can only be seen as the deification of man. It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. And finally... there has never been a communist state where atheism was not their religion.

Like most religious nuts, you assume that atheists are incapable of having guiding principles without a god to fear. The morals of an atheists are on a higher plane because they do so out of altruism not a fear of punishment

 

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Except when it becomes elevated to a religion as evidenced by fanaticism.

So you claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism?

No. I don't claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism. Ayn Rand would be a good example. One of our mods, don't taz me, would be a good example. I am claiming that they don't behave like religious fanatics and has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that it is primarily the militant atheists who behave like religious fanatics and has elevated their beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who behaves like a religious fanatic when his doctrines of socialism are attacked has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who spend his days arguing against others having religious beliefs has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion.

Seems you are creating a false satan of atheism.
Atheists don't have a dogma/religion....they just find your beliefs to be goofy.
It is not atheists going door to door to sell atheism. ISIS is not comprised of atheists.

I don't believe I am. I believe I am making observations. The same observations that were made over the last hundred years by Le Bon, Frank, Bulgakov, Gurian and Shafarevich. Furthermore, Marcuse's incorporation of Fourier and Freud into the fabric of cultural marxism can only be seen as a religious element where man's guiding principles of life do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts which can only be seen as the deification of man. It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. And finally... there has never been a communist state where atheism was not their religion.

Like most religious nuts, you assume that atheists are incapable of having guiding principles without a god to fear. The morals of an atheists are on a higher plane because they do so out of altruism not a fear of punishment

No. I am not assuming anything. I am making observations. Tell me what I have gotten wrong. That atheists don't believe that the only guiding principle is pleasure and satisfaction of primitive needs? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That atheists don't attack religious beliefs? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That atheists are not predominantly liberals? No. I'm pretty sure they are. That liberals are not inflamed by social issues? No. I'm pretty sure they are. That when people's elevate beliefs to a dogma and when those beliefs are attacked they respond like a religious fanatic who has had his religion attacked? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals lack accountability and blame others? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals don't tell others that their problems are because of rich people? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals don't want to redistribute wealth? No. I'm pretty sure they do.

 

[rightwinger]

So you claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism?

No. I don't claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism. Ayn Rand would be a good example. One of our mods, don't taz me, would be a good example. I am claiming that they don't behave like religious fanatics and has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that it is primarily the militant atheists who behave like religious fanatics and has elevated their beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who behaves like a religious fanatic when his doctrines of socialism are attacked has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who spend his days arguing against others having religious beliefs has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion.

Seems you are creating a false satan of atheism.
Atheists don't have a dogma/religion....they just find your beliefs to be goofy.
It is not atheists going door to door to sell atheism. ISIS is not comprised of atheists.

I don't believe I am. I believe I am making observations. The same observations that were made over the last hundred years by Le Bon, Frank, Bulgakov, Gurian and Shafarevich. Furthermore, Marcuse's incorporation of Fourier and Freud into the fabric of cultural marxism can only be seen as a religious element where man's guiding principles of life do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts which can only be seen as the deification of man. It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. And finally... there has never been a communist state where atheism was not their religion.

Like most religious nuts, you assume that atheists are incapable of having guiding principles without a god to fear. The morals of an atheists are on a higher plane because they do so out of altruism not a fear of punishment

No. I am not assuming anything. I am making observations. Tell me what I have gotten wrong. That atheists don't believe that the only guiding principle is pleasure and satisfaction of primitive needs? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That atheists don't attack religious beliefs? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That atheists are not predominantly liberals? No. I'm pretty sure they are. That liberals are not inflamed by social issues? No. I'm pretty sure they are. That when people's elevate beliefs to a dogma and when those beliefs are attacked they respond like a religious fanatic who has had his religion attacked? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals lack accountability and blame others? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals don't tell others that their problems are because of rich people? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals don't want to redistribute wealth? No. I'm pretty sure they do.

I have never seen an atheist go door to door attacking your religious beliefs. You problem lies with atheists objecting to you forcing your religious beliefs on them and their children.

 

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No. I don't claim a capitalist is incapable of atheism. Ayn Rand would be a good example. One of our mods, don't taz me, would be a good example. I am claiming that they don't behave like religious fanatics and has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that it is primarily the militant atheists who behave like religious fanatics and has elevated their beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who behaves like a religious fanatic when his doctrines of socialism are attacked has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion. I am claiming that any atheist who spend his days arguing against others having religious beliefs has elevated his beliefs to a dogma/religion.

Seems you are creating a false satan of atheism.
Atheists don't have a dogma/religion....they just find your beliefs to be goofy.
It is not atheists going door to door to sell atheism. ISIS is not comprised of atheists.

I don't believe I am. I believe I am making observations. The same observations that were made over the last hundred years by Le Bon, Frank, Bulgakov, Gurian and Shafarevich. Furthermore, Marcuse's incorporation of Fourier and Freud into the fabric of cultural marxism can only be seen as a religious element where man's guiding principles of life do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts which can only be seen as the deification of man. It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. And finally... there has never been a communist state where atheism was not their religion.

Like most religious nuts, you assume that atheists are incapable of having guiding principles without a god to fear. The morals of an atheists are on a higher plane because they do so out of altruism not a fear of punishment

No. I am not assuming anything. I am making observations. Tell me what I have gotten wrong. That atheists don't believe that the only guiding principle is pleasure and satisfaction of primitive needs? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That atheists don't attack religious beliefs? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That atheists are not predominantly liberals? No. I'm pretty sure they are. That liberals are not inflamed by social issues? No. I'm pretty sure they are. That when people's elevate beliefs to a dogma and when those beliefs are attacked they respond like a religious fanatic who has had his religion attacked? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals lack accountability and blame others? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals don't tell others that their problems are because of rich people? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals don't want to redistribute wealth? No. I'm pretty sure they do.

I have never seen an atheist go door to door attacking your religious beliefs. You problem lies with atheists objecting to you forcing your religious beliefs on them and their children.

Me either. Just in anonymous online forums. Maybe they are cowards. Now will you tell me what I have gotten wrong? That atheists don't believe that the only guiding principle is pleasure and satisfaction of primitive needs? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That atheists don't attack religious beliefs? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That atheists are not predominantly liberals? No. I'm pretty sure they are. That liberals are not inflamed by social issues? No. I'm pretty sure they are. That when people's elevate beliefs to a dogma and when those beliefs are attacked they respond like a religious fanatic who has had his religion attacked? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals lack accountability and blame others? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals don't tell others that their problems are because of rich people? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals don't want to redistribute wealth? No. I'm pretty sure they do.

 

[Pogo]

Seems you are creating a false satan of atheism.
Atheists don't have a dogma/religion....they just find your beliefs to be goofy.
It is not atheists going door to door to sell atheism. ISIS is not comprised of atheists.

I don't believe I am. I believe I am making observations. The same observations that were made over the last hundred years by Le Bon, Frank, Bulgakov, Gurian and Shafarevich. Furthermore, Marcuse's incorporation of Fourier and Freud into the fabric of cultural marxism can only be seen as a religious element where man's guiding principles of life do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts which can only be seen as the deification of man. It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. And finally... there has never been a communist state where atheism was not their religion.

Like most religious nuts, you assume that atheists are incapable of having guiding principles without a god to fear. The morals of an atheists are on a higher plane because they do so out of altruism not a fear of punishment

No. I am not assuming anything. I am making observations. Tell me what I have gotten wrong. That atheists don't believe that the only guiding principle is pleasure and satisfaction of primitive needs? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That atheists don't attack religious beliefs? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That atheists are not predominantly liberals? No. I'm pretty sure they are. That liberals are not inflamed by social issues? No. I'm pretty sure they are. That when people's elevate beliefs to a dogma and when those beliefs are attacked they respond like a religious fanatic who has had his religion attacked? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals lack accountability and blame others? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals don't tell others that their problems are because of rich people? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals don't want to redistribute wealth? No. I'm pretty sure they do.

I have never seen an atheist go door to door attacking your religious beliefs. You problem lies with atheists objecting to you forcing your religious beliefs on them and their children.

Me either. Just in anonymous online forums. Maybe they are cowards. Now will you tell me what I have gotten wrong? That atheists don't believe that the only guiding principle is pleasure and satisfaction of primitive needs? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That atheists don't attack religious beliefs? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That atheists are not predominantly liberals? No. I'm pretty sure they are. That liberals are not inflamed by social issues? No. I'm pretty sure they are. That when people's elevate beliefs to a dogma and when those beliefs are attacked they respond like a religious fanatic who has had his religion attacked? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals lack accountability and blame others? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals don't tell others that their problems are because of rich people? No. I'm pretty sure they do. That liberals don't want to redistribute wealth? No. I'm pretty sure they do.

Well now, don't YOU have the gift of omniscience

Wouldn't like that myself. Takes all the mystery out of life.