The Real coup d'etat

[BS Filter]

Ok. So tell me why fuel costs so much right now.

Biden policies. People are supposed to buy electric cars.

 

[Kitty Cat]

The right has accused her of everything else. You might as well throw that one in the pile too. If she was guilty of all the things you have accused her of, why can't you prove any of them?

Because she’s a career politician, she knows all the ins and outs and caveats to keep her butt covered. Whose wheels to grease and who to befriend. She has a lifetime of experience in covering her butt.

 

[Lastamender]

Anyone believing the lie that Russia didn't interfere in the 2016 election on behalf of the Trumpybear has been completely Groomed by the Neo-GOP PR team. Good luck re-installing your leader.

Anyone who believes they did are dead wrong. Putin preferred Clinton because she was a known quantity and Putin knew how to deal with her. That is the real truth. The rest is made up bullshit.

 

[Dirk the Daring]

That would seem to indicate he’s either a dumb ass or a fraud.

Mark me down for option 3 please, BOTH.

 

[BlindBoo]

Anyone who believes they did are dead wrong. Putin preferred Clinton because she was a known quantity and Putin knew how to deal with her. That is the real truth. The rest is made up bullshit.

When mass protests against Russian President Vladimir Putin erupted in Moscow in December 2011, Putin made clear who he thought was really behind them: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

With the protesters accusing Putin of having rigged recent elections, the Russian leader pointed an angry finger at Clinton, who had issued a statement sharply critical of the voting results. “She said they were dishonest and unfair,” Putin fumed in public remarks, saying that Clinton gave “a signal” to demonstrators working “with the support of the U.S. State Department” to undermine his power. “We need to safeguard ourselves from this interference in our internal affairs,” Putin declared.

Why Putin hates Hillary

Behind the allegations of a Russian hack of the DNC is the Kremlin leader's fury at Clinton for challenging the fairness of Russian elections.

www.politico.com

Former U.S. officials who worked on Russia policy with Clinton say that Putin was personally stung by Clinton’s December 2011 condemnation of Russia’s parliamentary elections, and had his anger communicated directly to President Barack Obama. They say Putin and his advisers are also keenly aware that, even as she executed Obama’s “reset” policy with Russia, Clinton took a harder line toward Moscow than others in the administration. And they say Putin sees Clinton as a forceful proponent of “regime change” policies that the Russian leader considers a grave threat to his own survival.

 

[Billiejeens]

Trump certainly was terribly ignorant of those in and out of government who worked to unseat and undermine him. How he could be so ignorant is hard to understand.

Doubtful anyone outside of Government truly understands how corrupt it is.
We knew that our government would (help) overthrow foreign Governments, Blow shit up and blame The Mooslims and what not but I think that most of us naively thought that those types of actions we beneath us within our own country.

Lesson learned.

 

[Billiejeens]

Small minds are amazed by the funniest things.

Bulldog's is not just small
It is a negative number

 

[Stryder50]

Trump certainly was terribly ignorant of those in and out of government who worked to unseat and undermine him. How he could be so ignorant is hard to understand.

I believe it was more a case of too trusting, and some innocent and naive regards the difference of career politicians, and guv'mint employees (apparatchiks), versus those he dealt with in the business world.

There is a profound mindset and values difference from those whom spend most of their lifetime being Wealth Creators versus those whom are the Wealth Redistributors (looters).

Trump's biggest liability was that he wasn't part of the right "fraternity" of psuedo-intelligentsia/career politicos(huskters). Not being in the right club made him an outcast to the majority of those he had to work with, or get to work with and for him.

 

[Lastamender]

When mass protests against Russian President Vladimir Putin erupted in Moscow in December 2011, Putin made clear who he thought was really behind them: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

With the protesters accusing Putin of having rigged recent elections, the Russian leader pointed an angry finger at Clinton, who had issued a statement sharply critical of the voting results. “She said they were dishonest and unfair,” Putin fumed in public remarks, saying that Clinton gave “a signal” to demonstrators working “with the support of the U.S. State Department” to undermine his power. “We need to safeguard ourselves from this interference in our internal affairs,” Putin declared.

Why Putin hates Hillary

Behind the allegations of a Russian hack of the DNC is the Kremlin leader's fury at Clinton for challenging the fairness of Russian elections.

www.politico.com

Former U.S. officials who worked on Russia policy with Clinton say that Putin was personally stung by Clinton’s December 2011 condemnation of Russia’s parliamentary elections, and had his anger communicated directly to President Barack Obama. They say Putin and his advisers are also keenly aware that, even as she executed Obama’s “reset” policy with Russia, Clinton took a harder line toward Moscow than others in the administration. And they say Putin sees Clinton as a forceful proponent of “regime change” policies that the Russian leader considers a grave threat to his own survival.

Post all the propaganda you want.

 

[Stryder50]

The right has accused her of everything else. You might as well throw that one in the pile too. If she was guilty of all the things you have accused her of, why can't you prove any of them?

More a matter of getting such before a judge who is objective and won't deny filing of a case based upon procedural technicalities, etc.

 

[YoursTruly]

I believe it was more a case of too trusting, and some innocent and naive regards the difference of career politicians, and guv'mint employees (apparatchiks), versus those he dealt with in the business world.

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I don't think it was a matter of trust. 702 allows them to spy on Americans without a warrant.



Maybe he thought his administration wouldn't abuse it. But it's an abuse on it's own.

Just get the warrant. Go on record of what/who they're look for.

 

[Stryder50]

True, and a blind hog can occasionally find an acorn, but it's not something you can count on.

Hogs find acorns using their nose more than their eyes, but you show how ignorance runs on several levels.

 

[Stryder50]

I don't think it was a matter of trust. 702 allows them to spy on Americans without a warrant.



Maybe he thought his administration wouldn't abuse it. But it's an abuse on it's own.

Just get the warrant. Go on record of what/who they're look for.
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I was referring to more than the FISA issue, rather the whole Drain the Swamp goal and how difficult that would be in one term when it's had decades to entrench. Compounded when many on his staff and close appointees were two-faced and slyly working against him.

 

[BlindBoo]

Post all the propaganda you want.

Putin as forced to sell the West nuclear material from their decommissioned nuclear weapons and the Clinton gang honed in on the Trucking scam Vald was running here in the states and forced him to pay them millions under the table. Then they forced him to buy those low yielding dirt mines that nobody wanted......And she said nasty things about Puti-bears daughter too! She was the most hated American Woman in all of Russia. They loved the TrumpyGirls over there too.

 

[YoursTruly]

I was referring to more than the FISA issue, rather the whole Drain the Swamp goal and how difficult that would be in one term when it's had decades to entrench. Compounded when many on his staff and close appointees were two-faced and slyly working against him.

I agree. Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[berg80]

Liberals want everyone to focus on Jan 6th to keep others from focusing on the real coup d'etat, that turned out to be successful. The Russian hoax scandal turned out to be a lie.

That is the counter narrative both Billy the Bagman, and his hired lackey John Durham, have tried so hard........and so unsuccessfully to establish. Not that I don't understand why you'd want to give it yet another try as we get closer to the 1/6 committee's public hearings.
Mueller set a very high standard that needed to be met by his investigation. Not the legally undefined term collusion, but rather criminal conspiracy between both Trumpers and Russians to alter the election's outcome.
Two actions taken by members of the campaign met that standard. 1. Donnie J's Tower meeting which he agreed to with the understanding he would receive compromising info on Hillary from the Russian government. Mueller, being a Repub, decided not to prosecute because he determined Donnie J was too stupid to know he was breaking the law.

Donald Trump Jr. 'Too Dumb' to Prosecute | Law & Crime

Some wondered if the president's son, Donald Trump Jr., would be charged in the Mueller investigation. Well, that's not the case.

lawandcrime.com

2. When Paul Manafort was Trump's campaign manager he gave proprietary polling data to Kilimnik, who was deemed by the Senate Intel Com. report to be a Russian operative. That polling data ended up being given to the Kremlin.

US says Russia was given Trump campaign polling data in 2016

WASHINGTON (AP) — It was one of the more tantalizing, yet unresolved, questions of the investigation into possible connections between Russia and Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign: Why was a business associate of campaign chairman Paul Manafort given internal polling data — and what did he d

apnews.com

This is Mueller's comment about the transaction from his report.

Because of questions about Manafort’s credibility and our limited ability to gather evidence on what happened to the polling data after it was sent to Kilimnik, the Office could not assess what Kilimnik (or others he may have given it to) did with it. The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort’s sharing polling data and Russia’s interference in the election, which had already been reported by U.S. media outlets at the time of the August 2 meeting. The investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts.

If Mueller had been able to establish the polling data ended up in Russia's hands that would have been slam dunk evidence of a cooperative conspiracy.

Overall, the report said, Manafort's proximity to then-candidate Trump "created opportunities for the Russian intelligence services to exert influence over, and acquire confidential information on, the Trump Campaign." Manafort's willingness to share information with Kilimnik and other Russian operatives, it said, "represented a grave counterintelligence threat."

Senate Intelligence Committee releases final report on 2016 Russian interference

The fifth and final chapter spans nearly 1,000 pages and deals with counterintelligence concerns.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Billiejeens]

More a matter of getting such before a judge who is objective and won't deny filing of a case based upon procedural technicalities, etc.

That stupid fuck thinks that 200 courts ruled against Trump.
No courts heard the case, there is no judicial remedy for a coup.

 

[Billiejeens]

Putin as forced to sell the West nuclear material from their decommissioned nuclear weapons and the Clinton gang honed in on the Trucking scam Vald was running here in the states and forced him to pay them millions under the table. Then they forced him to buy those low yielding dirt mines that nobody wanted......And she said nasty things about Puti-bears daughter too! She was the most hated American Woman in all of Russia. They loved the TrumpyGirls over there too.

You're silly

 

[Chillicothe]

It was an absolute coup & treason involving the Dems & the GOP establishment. Notice the GOP will not even mention all the vast proof the election was stolen.

Here, poster 'shrugged'....go to one of two places, or hell, go to both: Read the piece by Woodward & Bernstein in today's Washington Post; or, go to the nearby thread about the 'Select Committee stepping into the batter box'. In both you will see a succinct statement from this famous reporting duo on how Don Trump was more dangerous to America, and more corrupt, than was Richard Nixon.
Maybe it can fill in some blanks in your perception. Maybe it can add some nuance to your conviction that "the election was stolen".
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• That would seem to indicate he’s either a dumb ass or a fraud.

• While he certainly is an ignorant fool, he did say some things many Americans agree with.

• Yes but even an ignorant fool can be right once an awhile.

The above triptych would make for an interesting stand-alone thread.
I would urge the poster Gipper to be the OP on that one .... based on his perceptive insights in the three posts above.

Liberals should be thanking Trump for helping fulfill their New World Order

"New World Order"?
Umm, hate to sound like a naïf but, .....but, just exactly what is that?
Who is involved?
Can the poster name names?
And what would be the reason for a "New World Order". And who is funding it.
And how does the poster know about it?
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[Stryder50]

That is the counter narrative both Billy the Bagman, and his hired lackey John Durham, have tried so hard........and so unsuccessfully to establish. Not that I don't understand why you'd want to give it yet another try as we get closer to the 1/6 committee's public hearings.
Mueller set a very high standard that needed to be met by his investigation. Not the legally undefined term collusion, but rather criminal conspiracy between both Trumpers and Russians to alter the election's outcome.
Two actions taken by members of the campaign met that standard. 1. Donnie J's Tower meeting which he agreed to with the understanding he would receive compromising info on Hillary from the Russian government. Mueller, being a Repub, decided not to prosecute because he determined Donnie J was too stupid to know he was breaking the law.

Donald Trump Jr. 'Too Dumb' to Prosecute | Law & Crime

Some wondered if the president's son, Donald Trump Jr., would be charged in the Mueller investigation. Well, that's not the case.

lawandcrime.com

2. When Paul Manafort was Trump's campaign manager he gave proprietary polling data to Kilimnik, who was deemed by the Senate Intel Com. report to be a Russian operative. That polling data ended up being given to the Kremlin.

US says Russia was given Trump campaign polling data in 2016

WASHINGTON (AP) — It was one of the more tantalizing, yet unresolved, questions of the investigation into possible connections between Russia and Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign: Why was a business associate of campaign chairman Paul Manafort given internal polling data — and what did he d

apnews.com

This is Mueller's comment about the transaction from his report.

Because of questions about Manafort’s credibility and our limited ability to gather evidence on what happened to the polling data after it was sent to Kilimnik, the Office could not assess what Kilimnik (or others he may have given it to) did with it. The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort’s sharing polling data and Russia’s interference in the election, which had already been reported by U.S. media outlets at the time of the August 2 meeting. The investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts.

If Mueller had been able to establish the polling data ended up in Russia's hands that would have been slam dunk evidence of a cooperative conspiracy.

Overall, the report said, Manafort's proximity to then-candidate Trump "created opportunities for the Russian intelligence services to exert influence over, and acquire confidential information on, the Trump Campaign." Manafort's willingness to share information with Kilimnik and other Russian operatives, it said, "represented a grave counterintelligence threat."

Senate Intelligence Committee releases final report on 2016 Russian interference

The fifth and final chapter spans nearly 1,000 pages and deals with counterintelligence concerns.

www.cbsnews.com

Still ...
What ballots were changed or altered?
What ballot counts were changed or altered?
How many "fake" ballots were added into the mix?

Getting confirmation that S'Hillary was sleaze and shouldn't be POTUS wasn't anything new to many.