Zone1 The Protestant Jesus and the Catholic Jesus

[Woodznutz]

not true. Many of the Old T customs/scriptures.. were retained in the New T Church. Obviously, animal sacrifice \was discarded, as well as other things.

As long as the temple and the priesthood stood the NT church followed the "Law". When the temple and priesthood were destroyed, along with the last remnant of the nation of Israel, those laws no longer were in force.

 

[surada]

Isaiah 41:8-9

But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the offspring of Abraham, my friend; you whom I took from the ends of the earth, and called from its farthest corners, saying to you, “You are my servant, I have chosen you and not cast you off.”

Isaiah 44:1

But now hear, O Jacob my servant, Israel whom I have chosen!

Isaiah 44:21

Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel, for you are my servant; I formed you; you are my servant; O Israel, you will not be forgotten by me.

Isaiah 45:4

For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I called you by your name, I name you, though you do not know me.

Isaiah 48:20

Go out from Babylon, flee from Chaldea, declare this with a shout of joy, proclaim it, send it out to the end of the earth; say, “The Lord has redeemed his servant Jacob!”

Isaiah 49:3

And he said to me, “You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.”

 

[ESay]

He sent the disciples to them as well.

He was among them and he was one of them. And his disciples were with him.

 

[forkintheroad7]

As long as the temple and the priesthood stood the NT church followed the "Law". When the temple and priesthood were destroyed, along with the last remnant of the nation of Israel, those laws no longer were in force.

God is the one who says what is in force and what isn't. Jesus gave us a Church, the Catholic Church, to show us what to retain of the Old ways and what to ignore or whatever. Actually, the CC reads scripture from the entire Old T, so scripture-wise, nothing is discarded. Practice wise, that's a different story (no blood animal sacrifices anymore, etc).

 

[Woodznutz]

God is the one who says what is in force and what isn't. Jesus gave us a Church, the Catholic Church, to show us what to retain of the Old ways and what to ignore or whatever. Actually, the CC reads scripture from the entire Old T, so scripture-wise, nothing is discarded. Practice wise, that's a different story (no blood animal sacrifices anymore, etc).

No more rules based on the separation of Israel from the gentiles i.e. plowing with an ox and an ass, clothing with mixed threads, etc.

 

[norwegen]

Sadly, Judaism is alive and well.

Post-biblical mystical Judaism wasn't the topic of discussion, although I don't know why their existence would sadden you.

The topic was Jesus' "native Judaism." The topic was real Judaism, the tribal, temple people of Judah whose culture, government, economy, and religion were destroyed in the Great Revolt; the population that was decimated in that conflict and effectively finished off later in the Bar Kokhba Revolt. The topic was Judaism, the end of whose age their own prophets had foretold.

 

[norwegen]

There was a collapse of Judaism? When?

Do you not know history?

 

[surada]

There was a collapse of Judaism? When?

The First Jewish-Roman War, also known as the Great Revolt, had a devastating impact on Judaism in the first century CE:

Causes
Jewish discontent grew due to Roman inefficiency and tactlessness, famine, and internal conflicts. In 66 AD, this discontent led to an open rebellion.

Results
The Roman army crushed the revolt in 70 AD, destroying Jerusalem, the Temple, and other towns and villages in Judaea. Many Jews were killed, sold into slavery, expelled, or forced to flee. The remaining Jews lost their political autonomy and were prohibited from entering Jerusalem. As a punitive measure, the Roman province of Judaea was renamed Syria Palaestina to erase Jewish ties to the land and appease non-Jewish residents.

Long-term effects
The Jewish people were transformed from a major population in the Eastern Mediterranean into a dispersed and persecuted minority. Jewish identity gradually shifted from an ethnos with a distinct religious identity to a religious community that also considered itself a nation. The revolt also had important consequences for early Christianity and the New Testament.

 

[ESay]

Do you not know history?

Are you a Christian?

 

[ESay]

The First Jewish-Roman War, also known as the Great Revolt, had a devastating impact on Judaism in the first century CE:

Causes
Jewish discontent grew due to Roman inefficiency and tactlessness, famine, and internal conflicts. In 66 AD, this discontent led to an open rebellion.

Results
The Roman army crushed the revolt in 70 AD, destroying Jerusalem, the Temple, and other towns and villages in Judaea. Many Jews were killed, sold into slavery, expelled, or forced to flee. The remaining Jews lost their political autonomy and were prohibited from entering Jerusalem. As a punitive measure, the Roman province of Judaea was renamed Syria Palaestina to erase Jewish ties to the land and appease non-Jewish residents.

Long-term effects
The Jewish people were transformed from a major population in the Eastern Mediterranean into a dispersed and persecuted minority. Jewish identity gradually shifted from an ethnos with a distinct religious identity to a religious community that also considered itself a nation. The revolt also had important consequences for early Christianity and the New Testament.

Long-term effects: Judaism became a religion that spread around the world; outlived the empire that 'collapsed' it; and still flourishing today with its representatives been among the elite in the Muslim and Christian worlds.

 

[surada]

Are you a Christian

The First Jewish-Roman War, also known as the Great Revolt, had a devastating impact on Judaism in the first century CE:
Causes
Jewish discontent grew due to Roman inefficiency and tactlessness, famine, and internal conflicts. In 66 AD, this discontent led to an open rebellion.
Results
The Roman army crushed the revolt in 70 AD, destroying Jerusalem, the Temple, and other towns and villages in Judaea. Many Jews were killed, sold into slavery, expelled, or forced to flee. The remaining Jews lost their political autonomy and were prohibited from entering Jerusalem. As a punitive measure, the Roman province of Judaea was renamed Syria Palaestina to erase Jewish ties to the land and appease non-Jewish residents.
Long-term effects
The Jewish people were transformed from a major population in the Eastern Mediterranean into a dispersed and persecuted minority. Jewish identity gradually shifted from an ethnos with a distinct religious identity to a religious community that also considered itself a nation. The revolt also had important consequences for early Christianity and the New Testament.

 

[surada]

Long-term effects: Judaism became a religion that spread around the world; outlived the empire that 'collapsed' it; and still flourishing today with its representatives been among the elite in the Muslim and Christian worlds.

Many Christians actually read the Bible.

 

[ESay]

The First Jewish-Roman War, also known as the Great Revolt, had a devastating impact on Judaism in the first century CE:
Causes
Jewish discontent grew due to Roman inefficiency and tactlessness, famine, and internal conflicts. In 66 AD, this discontent led to an open rebellion.
Results
The Roman army crushed the revolt in 70 AD, destroying Jerusalem, the Temple, and other towns and villages in Judaea. Many Jews were killed, sold into slavery, expelled, or forced to flee. The remaining Jews lost their political autonomy and were prohibited from entering Jerusalem. As a punitive measure, the Roman province of Judaea was renamed Syria Palaestina to erase Jewish ties to the land and appease non-Jewish residents.
Long-term effects
The Jewish people were transformed from a major population in the Eastern Mediterranean into a dispersed and persecuted minority. Jewish identity gradually shifted from an ethnos with a distinct religious identity to a religious community that also considered itself a nation. The revolt also had important consequences for early Christianity and the New Testament.

And? You think repeating this stuff from Wikipedia over again you somehow refuted my point?

 

[ESay]

Many Christians actually read the Bible.

Yeah, and cucumbers are green.

 

[Woodznutz]

Post-biblical mystical Judaism wasn't the topic of discussion, although I don't know why their existence would sadden you.

The topic was Jesus' "native Judaism." The topic was real Judaism, the tribal, temple people of Judah whose culture, government, economy, and religion were destroyed in the Great Revolt; the population that was decimated in that conflict and effectively finished off later in the Bar Kokhba Revolt. The topic was Judaism, the end of whose age their own prophets had foretold.

Call it a "post script".

 

[surada]

And? You think repeating this stuff from Wikipedia over again you somehow refuted my point?

I think you have no education. Trying to help you with out rubbing your nose in it .

 

[ding]

I think you have no education. Trying to help you with out rubbing your nose in it .

I disagree. I've followed his/her points and I don't see anything unintelligent in what he/she has written.

And I'm not Jewish.

 

[ESay]

I think you have no education. Trying to help you with out rubbing your nose in it .

Thank you, but repeating the stuff that I had read about before doesn't help in that.

 

[surada]

There was a collapse of Judaism? When?

70 AD

 

[Carl in Michigan]

and no one knows where the Church is, the original one Christ founded. Well, some of us do.

No, you don't. You worship your organization. You bow down to idols