Zone1 The Protestant Jesus and the Catholic Jesus

[Woodznutz]

Lots---read the book again

He was always at odds with the Pharisees, and he was never a member of the sect of the Pharisees. And neither he nor anyone else ever referred to him as a Pharisee. Almost every principle religious figure in the NT is introduced with a formal religious descriptor or title, everyone except Jesus.

 

[irosie91]

He was always at odds with the Pharisees, and he was never a member of the sect of the Pharisees. And neither he nor anyone else ever referred to him as a Pharisee. Almost every principle religious figure in the NT is introduced with a formal religious descriptor or title, everyone except Jesus.

He was a pharisee, nevertheless. Do you have any idea how to characterize
PHARISEES? btw----there was no Pharisee registry. It is more likely that anyone
who was a SADDUCEE or a SAMARITAN would be so described. Do you know what CAIAPHAS ---the "high priest" was----or Herod, the king How about John--DA BAPTIST? How about the "money changers" in the temple courtyard or Matthew
who is described as a "tax collector" . All of them are described in some way that is a clue. In the easter and christmas dramatizations I saw as a child---(put on by
the local catholic school) two ROBBERS were crucified side by side with Jesus---
what would they have been?

 

[Woodznutz]

He was a pharisee, nevertheless. Do you have any idea how to characterize
PHARISEES? btw----there was no Pharisee registry. It is more likely that anyone
who was a SADDUCEE or a SAMARITAN would be so described. Do you know what CAIAPHAS ---the "high priest" was----or Herod, the king How about John--DA BAPTIST? How about the "money changers" in the temple courtyard or Matthew
who is described as a "tax collector" . All of them are described in some way that is a clue. In the easter and christmas dramatizations I saw as a child---(put on by
the local catholic school) two ROBBERS were crucified side by side with Jesus---
what would they have been?

Chapter and verse where Jesus is called a Pharisee.

 

[irosie91]

Chapter and verse where Jesus is called a Pharisee.

In the book commissioned by CONSTANTINE?---
ya gotta be kiddin' Try to cope. The PHARISEES despised Roman Rule. Roman rule was HANDS ON. Every person with political power at THAT time was a ROMAN APPOINTEE---from the king, to the "high priest" to the tax collectors and the money changers. Try to cope a bit further---the ONLY reason anyone was EVER CRUCIFIED was SEDITION AGAINST ROME. the romans were not interested in souk shop lifters (robbers)---they were handled by the local jewish courts. Now read the NT again----make note of who gets described as
a "low character"----well--to cut to the chase---anyone who works for the romans. The king, the high priests, the tax collectors, the money changers. NOW!!!! whom does Jesus attack---well WATTA YA KNOW---the MONEY CHANGERS!!!!!!! ----UH OH ----we need an explanation----who are the money changers? ask any jelly bean school student----they is the wicked jews who are cheating the poor people---like the INTERNATIONAL BANKERS. Well---no----they were actually traitors shilling for Rome. Pharisees hated them as much as they hated the SHILL CAIAPHAS and that's why Jesus was crucified

 

[Woodznutz]

In the book commissioned by CONSTANTINE?---
ya gotta be kiddin' Try to cope. The PHARISEES despised Roman Rule. Roman rule was HANDS ON. Every person with political power at THAT time was a ROMAN APPOINTEE---from the king, to the "high priest" to the tax collectors and the money changers. Try to cope a bit further---the ONLY reason anyone was EVER CRUCIFIED was SEDITION AGAINST ROME. the romans were not interested in souk shop lifters (robbers)---they were handled by the local jewish courts. Now read the NT again----make note of who gets described as
a "low character"----well--to cut to the chase---anyone who works for the romans. The king, the high priests, the tax collectors, the money changers. NOW!!!! whom does Jesus attack---well WATTA YA KNOW---the MONEY CHANGERS!!!!!!! ----UH OH ----we need an explanation----who are the money changers? ask any jelly bean school student----they is the wicked jews who are cheating the poor people---like the INTERNATIONAL BANKERS. Well---no----they were actually traitors shilling for Rome. Pharisees hated them as much as they hated the SHILL CAIAPHAS and that's why Jesus was crucified

But Jesus told the people to obey the Romans, even going the extra mile. "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's..." he said. He also stated that he wouldn't fight the Romans now as it wasn't his time. He did fight with the Pharisees, however.

Do a word search with context of the term in the NT. Report back.

 

[irosie91]

But Jesus told the people to obey the Romans, even going the extra mile. "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's..." he said. He also stated that he wouldn't fight the Romans now as it wasn't his time. He did fight with the Pharisees, however.

Do a word search with context of the term in the NT. Report back.

I missed that historic battle---"JESUS VS PHARISEES" got dates, place, outcome?
Jesus vs the romans took place in the Temple
Courtyard. LOL @ 'obey the romans' ---very typical pharisee----"humor them for now---someday they will go away.....most important --
SURVIVE, to wit, CHOOSE LIFE" (see philo, josephus, maimonides)

 

[Woodznutz]

I missed that historic battle---"JESUS VS PHARISEES" got dates, place, outcome?
Jesus vs the romans took place in the Temple
Courtyard. LOL @ 'obey the romans' ---very typical pharisee----"humor them for now---someday they will go away.....most important --
SURVIVE, to wit, CHOOSE LIFE" (see philo, josephus, maimonides)

The NT gospels are the only record of Jesus interacting with the Pharisees. Not hard to find, use BibleGateway, search "Pharisees", report back. There are 85 references to "Pharisees", and none remotely suggest that Jesus was one. Most suggest enmity between he and they.

 

[irosie91]

The NT gospels are the only record of Jesus interacting with the Pharisees. Not hard to find, use BibleGateway, search "Pharisees", report back. There are 85 references to "Pharisees", and none remotely suggest that Jesus was one. Most suggest enmity between he and they.

the book commissioned by the Emperor
of Rome is not my source for the history of
Judea during the era in question. I would
not trust a history of Austria, France, and Poland in the era of World War II written by Josef Goebbels either. There are many valid sources. An anecdote: Josephus Flavius is a valid source. Long ago I attended a patient in hospital who spent his time in bed reading the book by Josephus "history of the jewish war"
On discharge, the patient left his book behind.
I picked it up and read a "forward" written by a
christian scholar. The 'scholar" lauded Josephus as a fine historian etc etc etc EXCEPT FOR ONE FAULT----Josephus wrote TOO MUCH PRAISE OF THE PHARISEES which the 'scholar'
noted was his "only mistake" ---laugh of the
month for me!!!!!

 

[ninja007]

The NT gospels are the only record of Jesus interacting with the Pharisees. Not hard to find, use BibleGateway, search "Pharisees", report back. There are 85 references to "Pharisees", and none remotely suggest that Jesus was one. Most suggest enmity between he and they.

THE PHARISEES represent unbelievers, esp the jews, muslims and catholics among others that think law keeping and traditions of sinful men earn your own way, thru your own efforts to heaven lol.

 

[ninja007]

rcc reminds me exactly of the pharisees and legalism. most catholics dont believe in Jesus; finished perfect once and for all sacrifice.

 

[ninja007]

The Roman Catholic Church adds works to salvation. It denies that we are justified by faith alone in Christ alone. It adds sacraments (CCC 1129), baptism (CCC 1257), penance (CCC 980), and the works of the Law (commandments) as necessary for salvation (CCC 2068, 2036, 2070). The Bible teaches that keeping the commandments is not necessary for salvation (Romans 3:28, 4:5, Gal. 2:16, 21) and is to be avoided (Gal. 5:1-5). Otherwise, what Paul says in Romans 4:5 wouldn’t be true, “But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness.”
The Roman Catholic Church preaches a false gospel.

 

[ding]

The Roman Catholic Church adds works to salvation. It denies that we are justified by faith alone in Christ alone. It adds sacraments (CCC 1129), baptism (CCC 1257), penance (CCC 980), and the works of the Law (commandments) as necessary for salvation (CCC 2068, 2036, 2070). The Bible teaches that keeping the commandments is not necessary for salvation (Romans 3:28, 4:5, Gal. 2:16, 21) and is to be avoided (Gal. 5:1-5). Otherwise, what Paul says in Romans 4:5 wouldn’t be true, “But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness.”
The Roman Catholic Church preaches a false gospel.

2 Timothy 2:23-26, 2 Timothy 2:14, Matthew 12:25, Matthew 18:15-16, Romans 14:1-23, Romans 16:17-18, 1 Corinthians 3:3, 1 Corinthians 13:1-2, 1 John 4:20-21, Proverbs 6:16-19, Proverbs 28:25, Galatians 5:15, Galatians 5:19-21, Titus 3:10, Jude 1:19, Ephesians 4:3-6, Ephesians 4:31-32, Colossians 3:12-14, 1 Corinthians 12:25, 1 Peter 3:8, Philippians 2:1-2, John 17:20-23, Mark 3:24-25, Luke 11:17 and James 3:16.

 

[irosie91]

THE PHARISEES represent unbelievers, esp the jews, muslims and catholics among others that think law keeping and traditions of sinful men earn your own way, thru your own efforts to heaven lol.

a description of the Pharisees as "unbelievers" comes from that dim basement room in which you spent Sunday morning listening to the mumblings of an illiterate. Jesus was a Pharisee because everything he did and said that can be considered credible that is reported in the NT ---was 100% PHARISEE. Pharisees were 100% against ROMAN CULTURE----like gladiator "ENTERTAINMENT", general illiteracy, defilement of the Temple, Gross perversion in the palace by their invalid puppet "king" and
perversion of the Temple by their invalid appointed "high priests" Your sunday school
"lady" did a job on you. PS--cousin John the mikveh man was Pharisee too. Jesus ended up buried in the family Tomb of a prominent
Pharisee. ---cause Pharisees stuck together and died together by Roman crucifixion

 

[hadit]

I saw a cartoon once.. I think it was the Simpson's where there was a Protestant Heaven and a Catholic one

LOL

But yeh, no wonder people make fun of religion. There is no unity. You have the Protestant version of Jesus and the Catholic one and no one knows where the Church is, the original one Christ founded. Well, some of us do. But few listen to us.

So yeh... Is it in the Bible that God is not the author of confusion? I've read the entire Bible and it seems that was said there but it could be I was reading some Bible commentator of another?

Anyway--------

There is no Catholic Heaven v Protestant Heaven. If you feel hatred toward someone in the other camp, maybe God doesn't like that?

Hmmmm

Think carefully what you are saying. On the one hand, you castigate those who "feel hatred" toward the other camp, while OTOH, you freely and repeatedly say that only those in the Catholic camp are actual Christians. Might want to take another look at that mirror before you say more.