The Propaganda Campaign To Wreck Social Security Is Right On Track

[C_Clayton_Jones]

And the defeatism about America’s retirement plan is getting worse (or, if you consider Social Security akin to communism and want to destroy it, better). The survey shows a big bump compared with last year in the number of people who expect to have to keep working in retirement because Social Security won’t be able to support them, and a big bump in the numbers planning to start claiming benefits early even while working. Some 42% now plan to file for benefits early, up from 36% just a year ago.

If you figure the system is about to go broke, you’d want to start claiming as soon as possible so you at least get something, right? Especially if you are genuinely worried you won’t see “a dime” of the benefits you’ve earned.

The propaganda scam against Social Security is proving to be a master class. It is and has always been a massively popular government program, right from when it was started. Politicians used to call Social Security the third rail of American politics: “Touch it and die.” So how do you persuade people to kill off a popular program? Simple: You persuade them it’s already dead!

Genius!

This is how people like senators Lindsey Graham and Mitt Romney can hold out the prospect of cutting back on Social Security benefits if their party wins the midterm elections and apparently nobody cares.

After all, it’s already dead, right?

(There is something especially ironic about being told that Social Security can’t be saved by a multi, multimillionaire senator who pays 14% tax, while people busing tables pay 15.3% FICA, plus whatever in income tax.)

MSN

Social Security can easily be fixed, by simply raising the salary on contributions, and means testing. Don't let the Marie Antoinettes try to convince you otherwise.

Correct.

There are ways Social Security Retirement can be maintained, such as making the program means-tested.

 

[Lesh]

Not an opinion. Fact.

It IS a ponzi scheme, and they always go broke.

Now, instead of whining try to prove me wrong.

You need to learn the difference between fact an opinion. A common right wing problem

 

[Nostra]

You need to learn the difference between fact an opinion. A common right wing problem

I’m stating facts, you are spewing your opinions.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Do you deny that Republicans have been attacking social security for decades?

Then you’re either asleep or lying

They have been decrying the death of it as long as I can remember… dishonestly

And of course conservatives resort to the same idiotic lie in an effort to ‘justify’ destroying Social Security: that absent payroll deductions Americans will have ‘extra money’ to save for retirement, when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[Mr Natural]

And of course conservatives resort to the same idiotic lie in an effort to ‘justify’ destroying Social Security: that absent payroll deductions Americans will have ‘extra money’ to save for retirement, when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

They’d just end up pissing it away on a lot of useless crap.

 

[Nostra]

And of course conservatives resort to the same idiotic lie in an effort to ‘justify’ destroying Social Security: that absent payroll deductions Americans will have ‘extra money’ to save for retirement, when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

A few counties in Texas opted out of SS and the people on their system have incomes 2-3 times what SS is, and they can leave their money to heirs.

You can pay into SS for decades and die before getting to retirement and get zippo.

 

[pknopp]

Quite a lot of difference between keeping our seniors from living under a bridge and getting to own a collection of guns.

Which would be irrelevant.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Eliminate the earnings cap. Problem solved.

Here’s a crazy idea. How about we hold the politicians accountable for raiding the funds for so long. I suggest every leftist that blames republicans like,you were groomed to do, read the original SS bill and it’s stated intent. Then brush up on what the scumbags of both parties have done to it.

 

[g5000]

We need to increase the eligibility ages for Social Security and Medicare to 70 and index to 9 percent of the population.

We are living much longer than our ancestors. We should be working longer.

Common. Fricking. Sense.

 

[Orangecat]

Social Security is a government mandated Ponzi Scheme.
That doesn't mean it hasn't helped many people, but all Ponzi Schemes eventually fail.
Participation should be voluntary, and people who have been forced to contribute should have the option of opting out and getting their "contributions" refunded.

 

[g5000]

Social Security is a government mandated Ponzi Scheme.
That doesn't mean it hasn't helped many people, but all Ponzi Schemes eventually fail.
Participation should be voluntary, and people who have been forced to contribute should have the option of opting out and getting their "contributions" refunded.

Yes. Opt out. This way Trumptards can invest all their retirement income in Trump University and gold-plated commemorative coins!

The next Capitol riot will be when they age out and demand to be rescued from their stupidity.

 

[Orangecat]

Yes. Opt out.

I'm much better at investing my earnings than the government will ever be. The rest of your snotty, juvenile drivel doesn't merit a response.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And the defeatism about America’s retirement plan is getting worse (or, if you consider Social Security akin to communism and want to destroy it, better). The survey shows a big bump compared with last year in the number of people who expect to have to keep working in retirement because Social Security won’t be able to support them, and a big bump in the numbers planning to start claiming benefits early even while working. Some 42% now plan to file for benefits early, up from 36% just a year ago.

If you figure the system is about to go broke, you’d want to start claiming as soon as possible so you at least get something, right? Especially if you are genuinely worried you won’t see “a dime” of the benefits you’ve earned.

The propaganda scam against Social Security is proving to be a master class. It is and has always been a massively popular government program, right from when it was started. Politicians used to call Social Security the third rail of American politics: “Touch it and die.” So how do you persuade people to kill off a popular program? Simple: You persuade them it’s already dead!

Genius!

This is how people like senators Lindsey Graham and Mitt Romney can hold out the prospect of cutting back on Social Security benefits if their party wins the midterm elections and apparently nobody cares.

After all, it’s already dead, right?

(There is something especially ironic about being told that Social Security can’t be saved by a multi, multimillionaire senator who pays 14% tax, while people busing tables pay 15.3% FICA, plus whatever in income tax.)

MSN

Social Security can easily be fixed, by simply raising the salary on contributions, and means testing. Don't let the Marie Antoinettes try to convince you otherwise.

The rich run the country.

If you want to take back some of that control, you need Proportional Representation.

 

[initforme]

Social security and Medicare are without a doubt two of the greatest things this nation has ever done.

 

[frigidweirdo]

We need to increase the eligibility ages for Social Security and Medicare to 70 and index to 9 percent of the population.

We are living much longer than our ancestors. We should be working longer.

Common. Fricking. Sense.

Choices are:

1) more immigration (seems to be the current policy of most western nations
2) more robots and automation
3) work longer (not a vote winner)

 

[initforme]

Working longer seems like a prison sentence. Most working people view it as such.

 

[g5000]

Working longer seems like a prison sentence. Most working people view it as such.

That's an entitlement mentality.

We are living longer, we should be working longer.

The average life expectancy when Social Security was enacted was 60. Only 5.4% of the US population was over the age of 65. Most people were not expected to live long enough to collect. It was INSURANCE in case you beat the odds.

In 1965, when Medicare was added to the retirement package, 9 percent of the US population was over the age of 65.

Today, 16 percent of the US population is over 65.

This is an unsustainable trend. A smaller and smaller percentage of the population is supporting a larger and larger percentage.


We are living longer, we should be working longer.

Common. Fricking. Sense.

 

[Couchpotato]

I support keeping S.S. but S.S. was never intended to fully support you.

That it used to do a better job of that is true but that really isn't a problem with S.S. but with American greed.

Agreed, and Social Security was supposed to be a security net for you to live on at poverty level and help boost your retirement pay and not be what you live on solely in your retirement.

People like the Op has this delusion believing Social Security is your main source of income in retirement while it is not and you should have put away money on top of it…

SS was a scam from the beginning. The only way it works is if the age you start collecting is well above the life expectancy like it was when it was created. Its also a wealth thief. Primarily from minorities as their life expectancy is lower.

Investing 40 dollars a week from 18 to 65 has a better ROE than SS if you made 60k a year and you can pass the investment off to your children when you die unlike SS.

 

[Couchpotato]

And the defeatism about America’s retirement plan is getting worse (or, if you consider Social Security akin to communism and want to destroy it, better). The survey shows a big bump compared with last year in the number of people who expect to have to keep working in retirement because Social Security won’t be able to support them, and a big bump in the numbers planning to start claiming benefits early even while working. Some 42% now plan to file for benefits early, up from 36% just a year ago.

If you figure the system is about to go broke, you’d want to start claiming as soon as possible so you at least get something, right? Especially if you are genuinely worried you won’t see “a dime” of the benefits you’ve earned.

The propaganda scam against Social Security is proving to be a master class. It is and has always been a massively popular government program, right from when it was started. Politicians used to call Social Security the third rail of American politics: “Touch it and die.” So how do you persuade people to kill off a popular program? Simple: You persuade them it’s already dead!

Genius!

This is how people like senators Lindsey Graham and Mitt Romney can hold out the prospect of cutting back on Social Security benefits if their party wins the midterm elections and apparently nobody cares.

After all, it’s already dead, right?

(There is something especially ironic about being told that Social Security can’t be saved by a multi, multimillionaire senator who pays 14% tax, while people busing tables pay 15.3% FICA, plus whatever in income tax.)

MSN

Social Security can easily be fixed, by simply raising the salary on contributions, and means testing. Don't let the Marie Antoinettes try to convince you otherwise.

So you dont want SS to be a retirement plan you want it to be welfare for old people who didn’t invest and plan for the future.

 

[Couchpotato]

Correct.

There are ways Social Security Retirement can be maintained, such as making the program means-tested.

Doesnt that make it a welfare plan not a retirement plan?