Zone1 The Problem Is Guns, And Easy Access To Guns

Here's an interesting chart for some perspective;
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mass murders have been committed with
baseball bats
kitchen knives
axes
pitchforks
poison
fires
bricks
rocks
sticks
large books
log chains....
guns make it easier, not impossible
 
Here's an interesting chart for some perspective;
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However, seems the numbers can vary depending upon source ...
"In the United States, more than seven people per hour die a violent death. In 2019, more than 19,100 people were victims of homicide and over 47,500 people died by suicide."
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Note that these figures from CDC would show that for each homicide death, there are about 2.5 times the deaths by suicide.
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Firearms are now the number one cause of death for children in the United States, but rank no higher than fifth in 11 other large and wealthy countries, a new KFF analysis finds.

Guns – including accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides – killed 4,357 children (ages 1-19 years old) in the United States in 2020, or roughly 5.6 per 100,000 children. The U.S. is the only country among its peers that has seen a substantial increase in the rate of child firearm deaths in the last two decades (42%).





The problem is guns, and the easy access to guns



Nah. The problem is crazy people, corrupt politicians, and corrupt DA's, in that order.
 
We really need an intelligence test of sorts for many of the goombas posting on this forum.
^ Understatement of the Year.

That said, if one isolates the violent gun deaths and adjusts for population size by expressing the rate as the number of homicides per 100k people, the list changes significantly.
Well isn't that the potato? I mean how else would we look at it? Isn't guns as a source of VIOLENT SHOOTING, CRIME and DEATHS the very thing the Left constantly touts as the prime reason we MUST control guns???

And what better, more valid way could one look at the data to get a genuine, HONEST look at where we REALLY stand than to tabulate the data as a function of population? I mean, without knowing the population density sample, having 5 deaths by gun, if you don't know if the population sampled is TEN or TEN BILLION, how can you quantify the data subjectively or objectively???!!!

It would be worth taking an even CLOSER look at the pertinent chart again:

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Just as crime in the USA (at least up to a couple years ago) was actually way down just as pollution from our country is actually way WAY down from what it once was and is one of the lowest countries even despite our size, gun crime too just as with every other issue the Left bleat about as a crisis emergency disaster needing their immediate attention by them is all a FUCKING LIE and they are either willing collaborators in on the evil ruse or are hopelessly braindead buffoons.
 
Those crazy kids. But hey, once they're born.. right?

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Not only does the U.S. have by far the highest overall firearm death rate among children, the U.S. also has the highest rates of each type of child firearm deaths — suicides, assaults, and accident or undetermined intent — among similarly large and wealthy countries.
 
Firearms are now the number one cause of death for children in the United States, but rank no higher than fifth in 11 other large and wealthy countries, a new KFF analysis finds.

Guns – including accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides – killed 4,357 children (ages 1-19 years old) in the United States in 2020, or roughly 5.6 per 100,000 children. The U.S. is the only country among its peers that has seen a substantial increase in the rate of child firearm deaths in the last two decades (42%).





The problem is guns, and the easy access to guns
The problem is crime and the majority of gun crime is committed by gang members.
 
Note that the majority of those "firearm assaults" are from "children" in the teen to early twenties of the "gang banger" demographics.
BTW, too many were not the intended targets. They were caught in "crossfire", or "collateral damage". Gang bangers rarely spend time at a firing range perfecting aim or learning shooter saftey regards what is beyond your target.
 
Firearms are now the number one cause of death for children in the United States, but rank no higher than fifth in 11 other large and wealthy countries, a new KFF analysis finds.

Guns – including accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides – killed 4,357 children (ages 1-19 years old) in the United States in 2020, or roughly 5.6 per 100,000 children. The U.S. is the only country among its peers that has seen a substantial increase in the rate of child firearm deaths in the last two decades (42%).





The problem is guns, and the easy access to guns
Abortion kills more
 
Gun free zones are bullet magnets.

You could well be correct.

On Monday, a trans shooter who goes by she/her pronouns murdered three students and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville. The kids were all nine-years-old. Details are still coming out. What we know is that she/her had a manifesto, was a former student of the school, and specifically chose the school because she/her's other target had TOO MUCH SECURITY.​

Police Chief John Drake revealed in a press conference The Covenant School was the only school that was targeted. "There was another location mentioned, but because of a threat assessment by the suspect and too much security, they decided not to. And that area was here in Nashville."​

 
Firearms are now the number one cause of death for children in the United States, but rank no higher than fifth in 11 other large and wealthy countries, a new KFF analysis finds.

Guns – including accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides – killed 4,357 children (ages 1-19 years old) in the United States in 2020, or roughly 5.6 per 100,000 children. The U.S. is the only country among its peers that has seen a substantial increase in the rate of child firearm deaths in the last two decades (42%).





The problem is guns, and the easy access to guns


Guns are not the leading cause of death for children....that is a lie being pushed by the anti-gun fanatics....

The National Gang Center (NGC), a function of the federal government, tells us that in recent years, between 35 and 41% of street gang members are under age 18. They also note that street gang recruitment begins at age 14, when the social effects of puberty take control (as well as early onset testosterone poisoning).



Ponder that: criminology separates teens from traditional children due to changing behaviors and capacities for risk. For guns, those demarcations should be enforced as well.



The CDC table above showed that for ages 0–14, guns were not a major risk. Hence, the inaccurate claim that “guns are the leading cause of death for children” includes teens, which means it has to include teenage street gang members.



Given what the NGC says about entry into street gangs (age 14), the percentages of gang members that are teens (minimum 35%), and that American street gangs are stupendously violent, you would expect to see gun homicides rise steeply in the teen years.



And it does. Factor in that street gangs are largely metropolitan and that gun play between black street gangs is the worst of gang violence, and the rest of this chart makes even more sense.




Guns Not Leading Cause of Child Deaths | Gun Facts

First of all, the number of firearm deaths for school-age children drops quite a bit when you do not include 18-year-olds.
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Removing 18-year-olds would drop the gun death number to 28,559 — just slightly fewer than the total for the military and police.
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In fact, 17- and 18-year-olds make up almost 56 percent of the gun deaths of school-age children. The numbers also drop significantly — 60 percent — if suicides are removed.
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We are also wary when a single change in the data set — from age 18 to 17 — reduces the number enough that the statistic is no longer correct.


Biden’s startling statistic on school-age gun deaths

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When the anti-gun fanatics have to lie about the basic truth, facts and reality, they have no rational case to make....
 
Firearms are now the number one cause of death for children in the United States, but rank no higher than fifth in 11 other large and wealthy countries, a new KFF analysis finds.

Guns – including accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides – killed 4,357 children (ages 1-19 years old) in the United States in 2020, or roughly 5.6 per 100,000 children. The U.S. is the only country among its peers that has seen a substantial increase in the rate of child firearm deaths in the last two decades (42%).





The problem is guns, and the easy access to guns


Nope....you would have to explain the fact that in the 90s, as more and more people bought guns, and actually began to carry them....

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%


Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974.


What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

Paper...why crime declined in the 90s

https://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/LevittUnderstandingWhyCrime2004.pdf


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

What changed in 2015?

The democrat party did 3 things...

1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, allowing criminals to run wild.

2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, not matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes

3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.
 
We really need an intelligence test of sorts for many of the goombas posting on this forum.

First real statistic to consider would be the;

VIOLENCE DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

And if one were to look/check, you will see the USA is about 81 on the list of 183 shown here. Note also, the method of violent death is secondary to the total number or percentage of populatuion that is victim. Start by getting your priorities and perspectives correct folks!

But statistics can vary per source. consider what you see here on this scale'

List of countries by intentional homicide rate​

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As for the thread OP here, one needs to consider that most "children" deaths, those in age range from 1-19 years old, tend to be by handguns/pistols anmd the major source would be related to gang activity/conflicts.

Another case for conflicting statistics will be;

Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019​

where the USA is second on a list of the top 8 the number/rate of suicide versus homicide isn't factored here; but when looking at "rate", numbers per 100,000;
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Nearly nine out of 10 people killed by gun violence in 2019 were men. The highest number of homicide deaths occurred among people 20-24 years old, while the highest number of gun-enabled suicides happened among those aged 55-59. Brazil recorded the world's highest number of total gun deaths from all causes combined, with 49,436 out of 250,227 worldwide. The United States has the second-highest number of gun deaths with 37,038.


That said, if one isolates the violent gun deaths and adjusts for population size by expressing the rate as the number of homicides per 100k people, the list changes significantly.
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Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019​

The USA isn't on the top 10.

Another factor few consider is suicides using firearms;

Countries with the Highest Rates of Firearm-Related Suicide (per 100k) in 2019​

Note that while the USA is 2nd here, the leader nation has nearly double the rate and will surprise you.
You left out the country of CHAZ where it had the highest death rate per capita than anywhere else in the world......If was supposed to be a Marxists/Socialists paradise, until the shooting started...
 
First of all, the number of firearm deaths for school-age children drops quite a bit when you do not include 18-year-olds.
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Removing 18-year-olds would drop the gun death number to 28,559 — just slightly fewer than the total for the military and police.
----

In fact, 17- and 18-year-olds make up almost 56 percent of the gun deaths of school-age children. The numbers also drop significantly — 60 percent — if suicides are removed.
See, they're born and technically, they aren't even "children" anymore over 16. Fuck 'em', right? More guns!
 
The National Gang Center (NGC), a function of the federal government, tells us that in recent years, between 35 and 41% of street gang members are under age 18. They also note that street gang recruitment begins at age 14, when the social effects of puberty take control (as well as early onset testosterone poisoning).
Exactly. Not only are they born, hormones make them all go nuts at age 14. Fuck 'em. Fuck me. Fuck you. Fuck us all. Violent crime up? More guns! Violent crime down? More guns! More guns! More guns!
 

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