Zone1 The Problem Is Guns, And Easy Access To Guns

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Americans have always had fairly easy access to firearms. Historically, gun control laws have been based in racism. Despite the prevalence of guns in our society, these frequent school shootings have been a more recent phenomenon. Why is that? What in society has changed?

If you can answer that question then you have identified the real problem

Drug culture. Depletion of family structure. Democrats applying tenets of critical theory.
Duh.

 

[martybegan]

Firearms are now the number one cause of death for children in the United States, but rank no higher than fifth in 11 other large and wealthy countries, a new KFF analysis finds.

Guns – including accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides – killed 4,357 children (ages 1-19 years old) in the United States in 2020, or roughly 5.6 per 100,000 children. The U.S. is the only country among its peers that has seen a substantial increase in the rate of child firearm deaths in the last two decades (42%).

Firearms are the Leading Cause of Death for Children in the United States But Rank No Higher Than Fifth in Other Industrialized Nations | KFF

Firearms are now the number one cause of death for children in the United States, but rank no higher than fifth in 11 other large and wealthy countries, a new KFF analysis finds. Guns – including accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides – killed 4,357 children (ages 1-19 years old) in the...

www.kff.org

Firearms are the leading cause of death for American children and teens.

everytownresearch.org

Preventing Gun Violence, the Leading Cause of Childhood Death

In 2020, firearm-related injuries surpassed motor vehicle crashes to become the leading cause of death among children and adolescents in the United States. Dr. Bianchi highlights NICHD-supported research to prevent firearm violence and reduce the related deaths, injuries, and trauma.

www.nichd.nih.gov

The problem is guns, and the easy access to guns

Why do you include up to 19 in stats for children? Is it to make the number bigger?

How many of these are suicdes, how many are gangbangers?

 

[martybegan]

Those crazy kids. But hey, once they're born.. right?

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why go up to 19?

Plus how many of those assaults are 15-18 gangbangers?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

My local high school. Only mass murder back then involved a knife…

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I'm tellin' ya. Guns solve everything. If pregnant women would just shoot themselves in the uterus.. two birds, one stone. More guns!

Bless your heart sad that abortion supporters weren't aborted before they could support it

 

[Resnic]

Firearms are now the number one cause of death for children in the United States, but rank no higher than fifth in 11 other large and wealthy countries, a new KFF analysis finds.

Guns – including accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides – killed 4,357 children (ages 1-19 years old) in the United States in 2020, or roughly 5.6 per 100,000 children. The U.S. is the only country among its peers that has seen a substantial increase in the rate of child firearm deaths in the last two decades (42%).

Firearms are the Leading Cause of Death for Children in the United States But Rank No Higher Than Fifth in Other Industrialized Nations | KFF

Firearms are now the number one cause of death for children in the United States, but rank no higher than fifth in 11 other large and wealthy countries, a new KFF analysis finds. Guns – including accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides – killed 4,357 children (ages 1-19 years old) in the...

www.kff.org

Firearms are the leading cause of death for American children and teens.

everytownresearch.org

Preventing Gun Violence, the Leading Cause of Childhood Death

In 2020, firearm-related injuries surpassed motor vehicle crashes to become the leading cause of death among children and adolescents in the United States. Dr. Bianchi highlights NICHD-supported research to prevent firearm violence and reduce the related deaths, injuries, and trauma.

www.nichd.nih.gov

The problem is guns, and the easy access to guns

No it's not the problem. You're taking the lazy way out, blaming guns. You're not going beyond the surface. You have to look past just some inanimate object and look around you and even into the past. Just pointing your finger saying "guns are bad" while you rattle off some random statements is incredibly dumb and short sighted.

Example 1.


America has a history of gun ownership. America is about 250 years old. So how come all of the sudden guns have become the problem?

Maybe instead of looking at guns look at what has changed in America. Why is this a problem now when it wasn't 10 years ago and becomes less of a problem the further back you go? Why is it a problem now when it hasn't been before? What caused this change?

Example 2.

Switzerland.

They have gun ownership that rivals America yet they have the lowest gun related crime in all of Europe.

Why? The answer is they have a better society than us. They have little diversity so they are more calm and comfortable being around familiar people, they have a high rate of employment, they have a high rate of education, they have good health care and so on.

Just saying guns are the problem is wholely incorrect and just the low hanging fruit you decided to grab.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Firearms are now the number one cause of death for children in the United States, but rank no higher than fifth in 11 other large and wealthy countries, a new KFF analysis finds.

More children die from abortion, by at least a few orders of magnitude, than die from any cause having anything to do with firearms.

 

[BS Filter]

Americans have always had fairly easy access to firearms. Historically, gun control laws have been based in racism. Despite the prevalence of guns in our society, these frequent school shootings have been a more recent phenomenon. Why is that? What in society has changed?

If you can answer that question then you have identified the real problem

The removal of Judeo/Christian values in our culture in the name of offensive beliefs.

 

[2aguy]

Why do you include up to 19 in stats for children? Is it to make the number bigger?

How many of these are suicdes, how many are gangbangers?

Yes......that is the reason they go up to 19, and some of those dumb research papers go over 21 for "children."

 

[2aguy]

Those crazy kids. But hey, once they're born.. right?

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Yes.....gangs........

The National Gang Center (NGC), a function of the federal government, tells us that in recent years, between 35 and 41% of street gang members are under age 18. They also note that street gang recruitment begins at age 14, when the social effects of puberty take control (as well as early onset testosterone poisoning).



Ponder that: criminology separates teens from traditional children due to changing behaviors and capacities for risk. For guns, those demarcations should be enforced as well.



The CDC table above showed that for ages 0–14, guns were not a major risk. Hence, the inaccurate claim that “guns are the leading cause of death for children” includes teens, which means it has to include teenage street gang members.



Given what the NGC says about entry into street gangs (age 14), the percentages of gang members that are teens (minimum 35%), and that American street gangs are stupendously violent, you would expect to see gun homicides rise steeply in the teen years.



And it does. Factor in that street gangs are largely metropolitan and that gun play between black street gangs is the worst of gang violence, and the rest of this chart makes even more sense.



Guns Not Leading Cause of Child Deaths | Gun Facts

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First of all, the number of firearm deaths for school-age children drops quite a bit when you do not include 18-year-olds.
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Removing 18-year-olds would drop the gun death number to 28,559 — just slightly fewer than the total for the military and police.
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In fact, 17- and 18-year-olds make up almost 56 percent of the gun deaths of school-age children. The numbers also drop significantly — 60 percent — if suicides are removed.
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We are also wary when a single change in the data set — from age 18 to 17 — reduces the number enough that the statistic is no longer correct.

Biden’s startling statistic on school-age gun deaths

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[C_Clayton_Jones]

The problem is guns, and the easy access to guns

And that’s not going to change anytime soon, if at all.

There’s no political will in Washington to enact new regulations – and should new measures be enacted, they’d be struck down by the Supreme Court.

The same is true at the state level; any new state measures will likewise be struck down by the Supreme Court.

 

[Synthaholic]

Here's an interesting chart for some perspective;

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

This is like Trump saying "Yeah, I'm getting fatter every day but you should have seen how fat I was 4 years ago!"

 

[Grumblenuts]

And that’s not going to change anytime soon, if at all.

There’s no political will in Washington to enact new regulations – and should new measures be enacted, they’d be struck down by the Supreme Court.

The same is true at the state level; any new state measures will likewise be struck down by the Supreme Court.

True. We need to focus on each issue remembering that there are always far more of us than there are of them. At every moment precious few gun manufacturers exist for every family that's recently lost a loved one due to excessive, easily accessed firearms. Their profits vs. our children. No braino.

 

[saveliberty]

The problems are, people who want to be famous for killing people, want someone to kill them, feel entitled to destroy others, have no responsible family around to tell authorities of their danger to the public, usually have a few friends that later say, "oh yes, they were really nuts".

 

[saveliberty]

You're an imbecile.

Maybe so, but a factual one at least. Versus you just being an imbecile.

 

[Synthaholic]

We really need an intelligence test of sorts for many of the goombas posting on this forum.

First real statistic to consider would be the;

VIOLENCE DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY​

And if one were to look/check, you will see the USA is about 81 on the list of 183 shown here. Note also, the method of violent death is secondary to the total number or percentage of populatuion that is victim. Start by getting your priorities and perspectives correct folks!

But statistics can vary per source. consider what you see here on this scale'

List of countries by intentional homicide rate​

As for the thread OP here, one needs to consider that most "children" deaths, those in age range from 1-19 years old, tend to be by handguns/pistols anmd the major source would be related to gang activity/conflicts.

Another case for conflicting statistics will be;

Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019​

where the USA is second on a list of the top 8 the number/rate of suicide versus homicide isn't factored here; but when looking at "rate", numbers per 100,000;
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Nearly nine out of 10 people killed by gun violence in 2019 were men. The highest number of homicide deaths occurred among people 20-24 years old, while the highest number of gun-enabled suicides happened among those aged 55-59. Brazil recorded the world's highest number of total gun deaths from all causes combined, with 49,436 out of 250,227 worldwide. The United States has the second-highest number of gun deaths with 37,038.


That said, if one isolates the violent gun deaths and adjusts for population size by expressing the rate as the number of homicides per 100k people, the list changes significantly.
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Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019​

The USA isn't on the top 10.

Gun Deaths by Country 2024

Another factor few consider is suicides using firearms;

Countries with the Highest Rates of Firearm-Related Suicide (per 100k) in 2019​

Note that while the USA is 2nd here, the leader nation has nearly double the rate and will surprise you.

Gun Deaths by Country 2024

 

[2aguy]

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Europe..... 15 million murdered in just 6 years.....

The U.S.?

Over our entire 246 year history, about 2,460,000 gun murder....

Europe beats us without even trying....

 

[Synthaholic]

Europe..... 15 million murdered in just 6 years.....

The U.S.?

Over our entire 246 year history, about 2,460,000 gun murder....

Europe beats us without even trying....

Where are you getting 15 million?

 

[Jarlaxle]

This is like Trump saying "Yeah, I'm getting fatter every day but you should have seen how fat I was 4 years ago!"

I'm sorry...do you have anything INTELLIGENT to contribute?

Thought not.

 

[Jarlaxle]

True. We need to focus on each issue remembering that there are always far more of us than there are of them. At every moment precious few gun manufacturers exist for every family that's recently lost a loved one due to excessive, easily accessed firearms. Their profits vs. our children. No braino.

That is gibberish.