The political illusion that utilizing wind and solar is different than using fossil fuels.

[Theowl32]

TikTok - Make Your Day

We have been told about how these solar panels are made of "silicon" which is supposed to be regular old SAND.

Amazing how stupid the governments know we are.

 

[Yarddog]

Solar panels create toxic pollution yes. Green energy, creates toxic battery waste and still requires fossil fuel to charge batteries .. and green energy as it is currently constituted rapes the earth, in its pursuit of .... whatever. Yet Moron, idiot, ignorant politicians who dont know how to change a spark plug, or would be confused where to put the water in, and where to put the oil in an engine... want to try tell us we are taking to long to transition to green... and destroy our economy in the rush.

The "Dirty" Secrets Behind The "Clean" Façade of Electric Vehicles

Is the EV industry hiding some very real "dirty" secrets behind its outward "green" credentials?

interestingengineering.com

What is the environmental impact of battery production and disposal?​

Possibly the most important environmental impact of EVs is the way lithium for their batteries are sourced.


These batteries tend to consist of lithium cobalt for the cathode and graphite for the anode. A typical EV lithium-ion battery's electrolyte is also made of lithium salt.

More than half of this lithium comes from the so-called Lithium-Triangle that lies under Argentina, Bolivia, and Chile. To extract it, miners drill holes in the salt flats and pump the salty, mineral-rich brine to the surface, leaving it to evaporate in huge artificial lakes or ponds.

This process uses a lot of water, over 500,000 gallons (close to 2 million liters) for each ton of lithium produced. Such enormous consumption of water impacts not only the surrounding ecosystems but also has a huge impact on local farmers — for obvious reasons.

Piles of salt ready for collection at the Uyuni Salt Flat in Bolivia. The crust sits a few centimeters above a pool of lithium-rich brine. Source: Dan Lundberg/Flickr
Not only that, but these large evaporation pools are often far from sealed. This can, and has, led to the leaching of toxic substances into the surrounding water supply. As happened in Tibet a few years ago, the accidental release of substances like hydrochloric acid kills large amounts of aquatic animals such as fish.


But EV batteries are not just all about lithium. There are some other key components that are just as potentially harmful to the environment as lithium, if not more — enter cobalt and nickel.

The former is found in large deposits across the Democratic Republic of Congo and central Africa. And this is one of the main problems — its geographical location.

It is relatively easy to extract cobalt, which has produced a large incentive to dig it out and sell it. However, this is often conducted unsafely and with little concern for the environment in enterprises termed "artisanal mines." These informal mines often involve the use of child labor who extract the raw materials by hand with little to no protective equipment.


AOC, Biden, Buttejudge, and the rest of you? thank you morons... you heartless bastards.

 

[Theowl32]

The left giggle but never offer anything reputable to counter the claims, except for an al gore movie, what aoc says, and what the women on the view claim.

Yet, none of them even want to in any way actually clarify what they want, except really once when that aoc tart claimed she wants to make every last building (includes every single house) in the world converted to solar or wind dependent AAANNND every last house or building ever built to be totally electric, along with replacing EVERY LAST CAR (over 300 million) with electric power.

The cost to convert every last building and house in this country? Around 93 trillion. Also, there is not a power grid that could possibly be built that could possibly handle that and YEEEET they are marching forward with their morons like Franco marching right being them goose stepping along the way.

BTW, the true diabolical plan for that and the reason they are marching on is because there is only one way that could happen logistically.

Mass genocide that would make the 100 million killed by marxists in the 20th century look like us exterminating an ant hill in your yard.

Pathetic morons on the left.

 

[Dragonlady]

TikTok - Make Your Day

We have been told about how these solar panels are made of "silicon" which is supposed to be regular old SAND.

Amazing how stupid the governments know we are.

TikTok is less of a source than YouTube. Why are you wasting your life watching garbage from losers??? Are you that desperate for confirmation bias.

 

[Theowl32]

TikTok is less of a source than YouTube. Why are you wasting your life watching garbage from losers??? Are you that desperate for confirmation bias.

Didn't refute anything the guy was saying. Why am I communicating with you?

 

[Theowl32]

Here you are stupid idiotic leftists who actually think solar panels are made from sand in the deserts.

"How Much Coal Does It Take To Make A Solar Panel? - 2022" How Much Coal Does It Take To Make A Solar Panel? - 2022

How Much Coal Does It Take To Make A Solar Panel?
It takes about 1 ton of coal to power the average residential solar system for one year because it takes approximately 1 ton of coal to power 7200-kWh.

Therefore, it takes approximately 1 ton of coal to power the average residential solar system for one year. As the need and demand for solar power increases, so does the quantity and efficiency of production and installation.

In this article, we’ll be going through:
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The left won't change their minds and why? Just as it has been said. The left are completely contaminated ignorant lemmings of lifelong of marxist education through schools media and entertainment.

Their demoralization is complete and so it is irreversible. You cannot being them any authentic information. We bring them articles from EVERY ISSUE and present unemotional facts and the only things they is giggle ignore and run, usually not before they label you a sexist, racist, homophobic, knuckle dragging flat earther.

Again, I addressed that Ladydragon for reasons I don't understand. Feel sorry for them.

 

[Yarddog]

Here you are stupid idiotic leftists who actually think solar panels are made from sand in the deserts.

"How Much Coal Does It Take To Make A Solar Panel? - 2022" How Much Coal Does It Take To Make A Solar Panel? - 2022

How Much Coal Does It Take To Make A Solar Panel?
It takes about 1 ton of coal to power the average residential solar system for one year because it takes approximately 1 ton of coal to power 7200-kWh.

Therefore, it takes approximately 1 ton of coal to power the average residential solar system for one year. As the need and demand for solar power increases, so does the quantity and efficiency of production and installation.

In this article, we’ll be going through:
=============

The left won't change their minds and why? Just as it has been said. The left are completely contaminated ignorant lemmings of lifelong of marxist education through schools media and entertainment.

Their demoralization is complete and so it is irreversible. You cannot being them any authentic information. We bring them articles from EVERY ISSUE and present unemotional facts and the only things they is giggle ignore and run, usually not before they label you a sexist, racist, homophobic, knuckle dragging flat earther.

Again, I addressed that Ladydragon for reasons I don't understand. Feel sorry for them.

As long as the coal would come from China... the pollution is OK with them. it doesnt really exist.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

TikTok is less of a source than YouTube. Why are you wasting your life watching garbage from losers??? Are you that desperate for confirmation bias.

Why not debate the subject at hand and disprove their comments?

Simple, if you actually discussed the reality of green energy then you would discover green energy is not as green as you believe!

What it take to produce green energy still causes environmental damage that destroys areas of this world while not producing enough energy to negate the damage we are doing, so can you kindly explain how green energy is purely green and if not then will you admit you are still destroying the environment to make the equipment for green energy and here is the real kicker you have no idea how to keep on generating this stuff once the materials are needed are gone?

 

[Dragonlady]

Why not debate the subject at hand and disprove their comments?

Simple, if you actually discussed the reality of green energy then you would discover green energy is not as green as you believe!

What it take to produce green energy still causes environmental damage that destroys areas of this world while not producing enough energy to negate the damage we are doing, so can you kindly explain how green energy is purely green and if not then will you admit you are still destroying the environment to make the equipment for green energy and here is the real kicker you have no idea how to keep on generating this stuff once the materials are needed are gone?

Because it's pointless to debate lies and bullshit posted by some teenager on TikTok. It's like engaging in a discussion as to whether Michelle Obama is really a man based on a photoshopped image on the internet, and just about as valid.

Why not have a fact based discussion, instead??? Oh yeah, because the facts don't support the American conservatives contention that climate change isn't man-made, and there is nothing we can do about it.

Please note that this is a uniquely American point of view - like guns keep people safe. It's not borne out by the facts or the data, it's costing you thousands of lives and billions of dollars, and only conservative Americans believe it to be true.

The rest of the world think you're both short-sighted and, quite frankly, stupid, on both scores.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Because it's pointless to debate lies and bullshit posted by some teenager on TikTok. It's like engaging in a discussion as to whether Michelle Obama is really a man based on a photoshopped image on the internet, and just about as valid.

Why not have a fact based discussion, instead??? Oh yeah, because the facts don't support the American conservatives contention that climate change isn't man-made, and there is nothing we can do about it.

Please note that this is a uniquely American point of view - like guns keep people safe. It's not borne out by the facts or the data, it's costing you thousands of lives and billions of dollars, and only conservative Americans believe it to be true.

The rest of the world think you're both short-sighted and, quite frankly, stupid, on both scores.

Wow, again didn’t debate the fact that green energy isn’t really green and instead want to play “ the world think you are stupid “ and “ you must be a conservative that hate babies “ responses.

You haven’t provided any facts to support your opinion and never do because when you do, well it is like you thinking Dulles Airport is in Dallas, Texas and what I mean is you are ignorant and stupid as always.

To obtain green energy the resources needed are harvested from the Earth which still causes massive environmental damage and you can not dispute this at all but you will try to dodge this because you know in the end refuting this will show your true ignorance on how green energy is created.

Now again this isn’t about the Tik Tok comment but the reality those like you believe green energy is purely green when it is not and how you can not argue the facts and prefer everyone to be silent until you are done destroying lands of minorities in the World!

Now tell me why do you hate non-white people so much to destroy their lands for green energy that isn’t so green?

 

[CowboyTed]

Why not debate the subject at hand and disprove their comments?

Simple, if you actually discussed the reality of green energy then you would discover green energy is not as green as you believe!

What it take to produce green energy still causes environmental damage that destroys areas of this world while not producing enough energy to negate the damage we are doing, so can you kindly explain how green energy is purely green and if not then will you admit you are still destroying the environment to make the equipment for green energy and here is the real kicker you have no idea how to keep on generating this stuff once the materials are needed are gone?

Doing anything causes some damage to the environment we live in... It how much damage and can the earth recover quickly...

The rate we are burning fossil fuels is causing a huge damage. That damage is causing problems all over the world... The cost is starting to climb and it looks like it is only going to get worse... If fossil fuels had to pay for this damage and we had pay for the real cost it would be very uneconomical compared to renewables..

Creating Renewables has an impact on the plane but it is far less and more sustainable than the burning of fossil fuels.

 

[CowboyTed]

Wow, again didn’t debate the fact that green energy isn’t really green and instead want to play “ the world think you are stupid “ and “ you must be a conservative that hate babies “ responses.

You haven’t provided any facts to support your opinion and never do because when you do, well it is like you thinking Dulles Airport is in Dallas, Texas and what I mean is you are ignorant and stupid as always.

To obtain green energy the resources needed are harvested from the Earth which still causes massive environmental damage and you can not dispute this at all but you will try to dodge this because you know in the end refuting this will show your true ignorance on how green energy is created.

Now again this isn’t about the Tik Tok comment but the reality those like you believe green energy is purely green when it is not and how you can not argue the facts and prefer everyone to be silent until you are done destroying lands of minorities in the World!

Now tell me why do you hate non-white people so much to destroy their lands for green energy that isn’t so green?

It is not massive environmental damage, it is localised, repairable...

Massive is rising sea levels, massive climate shifts....

Please stop trying to equate one with the other, they aren't even close...

Saying that most of the Lithium in the world comes from Australia not South America... Chile is a large producer but half of what Australia is...

 

[Theowl32]

Wow, again didn’t debate the fact that green energy isn’t really green and instead want to play “ the world think you are stupid “ and “ you must be a conservative that hate babies “ responses.

You haven’t provided any facts to support your opinion and never do because when you do, well it is like you thinking Dulles Airport is in Dallas, Texas and what I mean is you are ignorant and stupid as always.

To obtain green energy the resources needed are harvested from the Earth which still causes massive environmental damage and you can not dispute this at all but you will try to dodge this because you know in the end refuting this will show your true ignorance on how green energy is created.

Now again this isn’t about the Tik Tok comment but the reality those like you believe green energy is purely green when it is not and how you can not argue the facts and prefer everyone to be silent until you are done destroying lands of minorities in the World!

Now tell me why do you hate non-white people so much to destroy their lands for green energy that isn’t so green?

Don't debate them. Wasting your time. Their condition, unless by an actual miracle, is completely irreversible. Really is. Won't matter one bit. They should pitied and shunned.

 

[Theowl32]

Do you know after reading these and listening to the experts that the left still think solar panels are made out of regular old desert sand?

Oh, do you know I know they know they are all completely full of shit? Cause after reading these, they went and looked it up and now many of them know the facts.

Not this cowboyTed loser and especially not that Ladydragon idiot. No, they don't want to know. Trust me, I get it. Not wanting to know the truth and remain in our ignorance is something we all do to one degree or another.

But

Doesn't replace the actual truth and this case the facts about coal and the amount needed to make solar panels cannot be bent to fit their lie.

But

People like Ladydragon or cowboyTed aren't refuting it cause they cannot. That is the essence and absolute reason our country is doomed. It would be one thing if these two idiots were the exception, but they aren't. They are the norm.

And...

Normalization is the final stage of the marxist takeover and that is our norm. Their lies, their ignorance and their smug attitude and you can see clearly why stalin said useful idiots are so necessary during the Destabilizing process.

This thread is a perfect example. Yes. They will continue to truly believe solar panels are a cleaner solution to the use of FOSSIL FUELS as they ignore the facts as they always do.

Baby mutilating scumbags.

 

[Lesh]

NO method of producing energy is completely clean and if you want to compare one to the other do it honestly.

That means from birth to death for ALL of the compared energy sources

Done that way renewables are far "cleaner"

 

[22lcidw]

When totalitarianism comes to the final result, there will be people jettisoned. Without hidden technologies not known the current advancements have not been mainstreamed as what we spent on the technologies.

 

[Theowl32]

NO method of producing energy is completely clean and if you want to compare one to the other do it honestly.

That means from birth to death for ALL of the compared energy sources

Done that way renewables are far "cleaner"

One ton of coal needed to power one house by a solar panel for a year.



Now, let's make sure every house and building are outfitted with solar panels in the nation.

You all don't even acknowledge the amount of copper that would be needed to be mined nor the sheer size of the power grid in order to supply energy to charge all 500 million cars that you all want converted from icky oil.

You are all impossible to communicate with on any serious level. Cause the level that you and every idiot stooge like you is simply nothing more than the level of spoiled sniveling brats.

As you bang away on your phone manufactured in one of those countries you never hold to account for their significant pollution simply cause they aren't America and mostly either brown or yellow.

Really are a waste of time

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Doing anything causes some damage to the environment we live in... It how much damage and can the earth recover quickly...

The rate we are burning fossil fuels is causing a huge damage. That damage is causing problems all over the world... The cost is starting to climb and it looks like it is only going to get worse... If fossil fuels had to pay for this damage and we had pay for the real cost it would be very uneconomical compared to renewables..

Creating Renewables has an impact on the plane but it is far less and more sustainable than the burning of fossil fuels.

Is it and if so you can provide in detail on you replenish the raw materials you are using?

Fact is the process from the extracting to the usage of slurry to the fact you must still use fossil fuel to operate the stuff tell you that what it takes to create green energy isn’t as green as you like to dream it is.

I am not against the idea of green energy but what I am truly against is the cultist mindset that try to ignore the reality while trying to sell something that isn’t truly green as being clean energy.

Fact is I know the process of silicon making and what it take to make the wafers that are used to make the chips for your phone and I know no matter how you spin it the process is not a perfect as the left claims.

In the end the reality is you will always need fossil fuels to work with green energy, so let stop acting like green energy is going to save the day…

 

[Theowl32]

Is it and if so you can provide in detail on you replenish the raw materials you are using?

Fact is the process from the extracting to the usage of slurry to the fact you must still use fossil fuel to operate the stuff tell you that what it takes to create green energy isn’t as green as you like to dream it is.

I am not against the idea of green energy but what I am truly against is the cultist mindset that try to ignore the reality while trying to sell something that isn’t truly green as being clean energy.

Fact is I know the process of silicon making and what it take to make the wafers that are used to make the chips for your phone and I know no matter how you spin it the process is not a perfect as the left claims.

In the end the reality is you will always need fossil fuels to work with green energy, so let stop acting like green energy is going to save the day…

They know but pretend to not know since if they acknowledge the facts that would mean they agree with us on the right about SOMETHING and since their entire existence and acceptance among their little friends and clubs etc is entirely dependent on them being in lockstep on the pure hatred of white American conservatives, that means he will ignore you and the facts you present.

Nice long run on sentence that describes their psychopathy

 

[Devils_Advocate]

They know but pretend to not know since if they acknowledge the facts that would mean they agree with us on the right about SOMETHING and since their entire existence and acceptance among their little friends and clubs etc is entirely dependent on them being in lockstep on the pure hatred of white American conservatives, that means he will ignore you and the facts you present.

Nice long run on sentence that describes their psychopathy

Fact is I am supporter of the research into renewable resources that can benefit the planet and mankind but I am not idealistic enough to believe we can cut the ties to oil and keep what we have.

So we must focus on better solutions and not be bitterly divided like we are but alas it is the Cane and Able Story as always…