Wind Turbines are NOT Taking Us Back to the Horse-and-Buggy Era

They don't go down on a daily basis, as the sun sets and the wind stops blowing...
Winds, particularly at the altitude of wind turbines and more particularly offshore, do not turn off when the sun goes down.
They're also not subject to the vicissitudes of the seasons
In California and Montana, for example, seasonal variation matches the demand trends.

Your dearth of intellectual curiosity is your problem.
Odd since your problem seems to be a dearth of actual science knowledge.
 
Elsewhere in this forum, when asked what natural resources are being used to manufacture wind turbines, a poster replied that

"steel, quartz, coal, coke, wood, cement, boron, propene, hydrochloric acid" and others were natural resources being consumed.

Definition of Natural resource, any biological, mineral, or aesthetic asset afforded by nature without human intervention that can be used for some form of benefit, whether material (economic) or immaterial.


The encyclopedia goes on to say "What is considered a “resource” (or, for that matter, “natural”) has varied over time and from one society to another. Examples of assets that can be considered natural resources include forests, surface water and groundwater, and the fertile lands or the soil and minerals within them (rather than the crops that grow on them), as well as energy resources (such as petroleum, natural gas, and heated water [that is, geothermal energy]) contained within layers of rock."

From the provided list, then, hydrochloric acid, propene, boron, cement, coke, steel and even quartz are not natural resources but derived materials. A more accurate list specifically of natural resources used, vice what are the actual materials of which wind turbines are made, might include iron ore, bauxite (aluminum ore), copper ore, coal, sand, limestone and wood. None of these things are in short supply and the quantities used for each of them to manufacture wind turbines is a very small percentage of the total amounts extracted for all other purposes.
 
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Elsewhere in this forum, when asked what natural resources are being used to manufacture wind turbines, a poster replied that

"steel, quartz, coal, coke, wood, cement, boron, propene, hydrochloric acid" and others were natural resources being consumed.

Definition of Natural resource, any biological, mineral, or aesthetic asset afforded by nature without human intervention that can be used for some form of benefit, whether material (economic) or immaterial.


The encyclopedia goes on to say "What is considered a “resource” (or, for that matter, “natural”) has varied over time and from one society to another. Examples of assets that can be considered natural resources include forests, surface water and groundwater, and the fertile lands or the soil and minerals within them (rather than the crops that grow on them), as well as energy resources (such as petroleum, natural gas, and heated water [that is, geothermal energy]) contained within layers of rock."

From the provided list, then, hydrochloric acid, propene, boron, cement, coke, steel and even quartz are not natural resources but derived materials. A more accurate list specifically of natural resources used, vice what are the actual materials of which wind turbines are made, might include iron ore, bauxite (aluminum ore), copper ore, coal, sand, limestone and wood. None of these things are in short supply and the quantities used for each of them to manufacture wind turbines is a very small percentage of the total amounts extracted for all other purposes.
Dear Concerned American, why do you think this post is fake news?
 
Yeah, but what happens if so many birds get killed that they start adapting, like nature sometimes does. The birds start getting bigger and stronger to survive blade strikes and before you know it, the skies are filled with tetradactyl like creatures and we're living in a new age Jurassic Park. People aren't safe anywhere. WTF. Get me outta here.

They have reduced bird kills by 70% since they began painting one blade black.
 
Yeah, but what happens if so many birds get killed that they start adapting, like nature sometimes does. The birds start getting bigger and stronger to survive blade strikes and before you know it, the skies are filled with tetradactyl like creatures and we're living in a new age Jurassic Park. People aren't safe anywhere. WTF. Get me outta here.
pterodactyl (wing-finger)
 
They don't go down on a daily basis, as the sun sets and the wind stops blowing...They're also not subject to the vicissitudes of the seasons and ever-changing atmospheric conditions....You're playing obtuse on purpose.
Were you under the impresson that sunset catches anyone by surprise?
 
They have reduced bird kills by 70% since they began painting one blade black.
So we have 70% fewer bird kills----in Norway. When is the US/Biden admin going to do it? They have all of that green new deal money and no black blades in the US. Hmmm.
 
Wow, you really are fucking thick....No wonder you're a warmer.
It is exceedingly rare for windmills or solar farms to be caught unawares. The same can NOT be said for nuclear or fossil-fuel plants.
 
Can we then assume, then, that you reject all knowledge of sunrise and sunset and the weatherman's forecast for the next few days?
 
Windmills first appeared in Persia between 200 and 500 AD and were used to grind grain and pump water. The first instances operated on vertical axes and were analogous to a water wheel. That is, despite the fact that wind driven vessels had been in use for centuries, these first mills did not use airfoils. In the 11th century, designs more akin to modern windmills began appearing throughout the middle east. Merchants and crusaders brought the windmill back to Europe.

The first instances of wind being used to drive a dynamo to generate electricity took place in the 1880s with demonstration prototype having been assembled by Josef Freidlander, an engineer, in 1883 at the Vienna Electrical Exhibition and a larger unit designed and built by Scottish Engineer James Blyth on his own property and used to power his cottage in 1887. Following their introduction, wind driven generators came to be widely used throughout rural areas to provide electricity to farmers and ranchers (who had been using wind for years to pump water) distant from urban areas then undergoing electrification. But, as power lines eventually reached these isolated farmsteads, the use of windmill generators waned.

The first electric generator was invented by Michael Faraday in 1831. Ten years earlier, Faraday had also invented the first electric motor.

An obvious but, by some posters, frequently overlooked point is that the invention and development of the electrical generator necessarily had to precede the first wind-driven generators.

Another point is that if modern wind turbines are obsolete because man first began utilizing wind power over 2,000 years ago, the same sort of logic would apply to fossil fuel use given that humans began using fire approximately one million years ago. Obviously both these statements are useless.

As any participant of this forum is aware, modern wind turbine generators appeared as a means to produce electrical power without GHG emissions. That wind is not a constant was obviously known but the ability to produce usable amounts of electricity without emissions and with zero fuel costs drove the creation of a new industry. Sites with consistent winds of sufficient velocity were identified and wind turbine farms began to appear. The development of battery technology capable of supporting utility scale operations was an enabling factor and numerous alternative methods of energy storage, eg gravity batteries, pumped hydroelectric, compressed air and flywheel have been developed. Thus the development of modern wind turbine generators makes use of state-of-the-art technologies which have served the world in moving away from fossil fuels. They are in no way obsolete and they are not leading us back to a horse-and-buggy era.

Another related falsehood that we have repeatedly seen on this forum is that the manufacture of wind turbines is the largest industry in the world and that point, in and of itself, is declared harmful. In fact, the manufacture of wind turbines is no where near the largest industrial market. The fossil fuel industry is 100 times its size. Here are the top ten by market value:

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The manufacture of wind turbines and solar panels do not even appear on the list. The very top, of course, is the fossil fuel industry. Perhaps this is what inspired the projection that some posters have applied to the alternative energy sector.

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The global wind turbine market was valued at $60 billion in 2022 and is expected to reach $108.98 billion by 2032, growing at a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 6.2% from 2023 to 2032. The small wind turbine market was valued at $3.3 billion in 2023 and is expected to grow at a CAGR of over 13.1% from 2024 to 2032.
I'll take whatever electricity that's cheap, so that's ruled out renewables.
 
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