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The Political Agenda of the Christian Right

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The agenda of Christian conservatives is relatively limited and they believe that much of it can be accomplished through the federal courts. Broadly speaking, their agenda is as follows:

They want to control the right of women to have abortions.

They want to ban all forms of gay marriage.

They want to prevent the teaching of safe sex in schools and to encourage home schooling.

They want to ban the use of contraceptives.

They want to halt stem cell reserach using human embryos.

They want to stop the teaching of evolution and/or to start the teaching of intelligent design.

They want to bring God into the public square and eliminate the separation of church and state.

They want to overturn the legality of living wills.

They want to control the sexual content of cable and network television, radio and the Internet.

They want to eliminate an "activist" judiciary that limits or impinges on their agenda by placing God-fearing judges on the bench who will promote their sincerely held beliefs.

From "Conservatives Without Conscience" by John W. Dean (p. 109)

I don't know about y'all, but this doesn't sound too good to me.

Comments?
 

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The agenda of Christian conservatives is relatively limited and they believe that much of it can be accomplished through the federal courts. Broadly speaking, their agenda is as follows:

They want to control the right of women to have abortions.

They want to ban all forms of gay marriage.

They want to prevent the teaching of safe sex in schools and to encourage home schooling.

They want to ban the use of contraceptives.

They want to halt stem cell reserach using human embryos.

They want to stop the teaching of evolution and/or to start the teaching of intelligent design.

They want to bring God into the public square and eliminate the separation of church and state.

They want to overturn the legality of living wills.

They want to control the sexual content of cable and network television, radio and the Internet.

They want to eliminate an "activist" judiciary that limits or impinges on their agenda by placing God-fearing judges on the bench who will promote their sincerely held beliefs.

From "Conservatives Without Conscience" by John W. Dean (p. 109)

I don't know about y'all, but this doesn't sound too good to me.

Comments?

Wow.. where do we begin to debunk this crapola??

They wish to protect innocent human life... whether that life inconveniences you or not

Some wish to ban gay marriage.. but others wish to support civil unions or to get the government out of the marriage business

Encouraging home schooling as a choice is a bad thing in a free society??

They wish to encourage the involvement of parents into the sex education of minors and that is a bad thing? They wish to teach that no sex is safe sex and that is a bad thing? They don't want a bunch of lefty teachers telling them that sex is OK and right when they are under age, even against the parents wishes, and that is a good thing??

They want to ban contraceptives?? Show this in proof.

They wish to stop harvesting of human lives for scientific research... Last I heard human experimentation was frowned upon when we heard of the experiments of ones such as Mengele

Nobody wants to stop teaching scientific theories such as evolution, or other things. Just not the use of theories to try and offend the beliefs of others, and just to also teach that there are indeed othe rtheories about the emergence of life.

THERE IS NO MOTHERFUCKING SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, you ignorant leftist swine... try and understand what your rights and the limitations of government actually are

Show proof of making living wills illegal as supported by the entire 'christian right'.. we'll be waiting

Public decency laws are indeed supported.. for some people do believe (christian and otherwise) it is nice to have it that your children don't have to be exposed to anal sex acts in public or obscene behavior on public tv at 6PM dinner, etc... some people indeed, and rightfully so, don't necessarily want anarchy in public displays

More phony accusations by you and/or the author as a winger about judges and about a belief of an entire group
 

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The agenda of Christian conservatives is relatively limited and they believe that much of it can be accomplished through the federal courts. Broadly speaking, their agenda is as follows:

They want to control the right of women to have abortions.

They want to ban all forms of gay marriage.

They want to prevent the teaching of safe sex in schools and to encourage home schooling.

They want to ban the use of contraceptives.

They want to halt stem cell reserach using human embryos.

They want to stop the teaching of evolution and/or to start the teaching of intelligent design.

They want to bring God into the public square and eliminate the separation of church and state.

They want to overturn the legality of living wills.

They want to control the sexual content of cable and network television, radio and the Internet.

They want to eliminate an "activist" judiciary that limits or impinges on their agenda by placing God-fearing judges on the bench who will promote their sincerely held beliefs.

From "Conservatives Without Conscience" by John W. Dean (p. 109)

I don't know about y'all, but this doesn't sound too good to me.

Comments?

Are you really this stupid? Do you actually think before you regurgitate anything that you think makes the religious right look bad?

This is filled with outright lies and just doesn't deserve a point by point debunking. Thanks though for showing us all how utterly dumb you are.

Rick
 

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The agenda of Christian conservatives is relatively limited and they believe that much of it can be accomplished through the federal courts. Broadly speaking, their agenda is as follows:

They want to control the right of women to have abortions.

They want to ban all forms of gay marriage.

They want to prevent the teaching of safe sex in schools and to encourage home schooling.

They want to ban the use of contraceptives.

They want to halt stem cell reserach using human embryos.

They want to stop the teaching of evolution and/or to start the teaching of intelligent design.

They want to bring God into the public square and eliminate the separation of church and state.

They want to overturn the legality of living wills.

They want to control the sexual content of cable and network television, radio and the Internet.

They want to eliminate an "activist" judiciary that limits or impinges on their agenda by placing God-fearing judges on the bench who will promote their sincerely held beliefs.

From "Conservatives Without Conscience" by John W. Dean (p. 109)

I don't know about y'all, but this doesn't sound too good to me.

Comments?


Obviously you don't know much about Christian Conservatives... LOL
Either that or the person you get your information from doesn't... LOL

Just because you believe in something doesn't mean to want to control everyone else. :cuckoo:

As a Christian Conservative I believe in God and the Constitution of this country... If that is bad then I am confused...
 
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The agenda of Christian conservatives is relatively limited and they believe that much of it can be accomplished through the federal courts. Broadly speaking, their agenda is as follows:

They want to control the right of women to have abortions.

They want to ban all forms of gay marriage.

They want to prevent the teaching of safe sex in schools and to encourage home schooling.

They want to ban the use of contraceptives.

They want to halt stem cell reserach using human embryos.

They want to stop the teaching of evolution and/or to start the teaching of intelligent design.

They want to bring God into the public square and eliminate the separation of church and state.

They want to overturn the legality of living wills.

They want to control the sexual content of cable and network television, radio and the Internet.

They want to eliminate an "activist" judiciary that limits or impinges on their agenda by placing God-fearing judges on the bench who will promote their sincerely held beliefs.

From "Conservatives Without Conscience" by John W. Dean (p. 109)

I don't know about y'all, but this doesn't sound too good to me.

Comments?

Wow.. where do we begin to debunk this crapola??

They wish to protect innocent human life... whether that life inconveniences you or not

Some wish to ban gay marriage.. but others wish to support civil unions or to get the government out of the marriage business

Encouraging home schooling as a choice is a bad thing in a free society??

They wish to encourage the involvement of parents into the sex education of minors and that is a bad thing? They wish to teach that no sex is safe sex and that is a bad thing? They don't want a bunch of lefty teachers telling them that sex is OK and right when they are under age, even against the parents wishes, and that is a good thing??

They want to ban contraceptives?? Show this in proof.

They wish to stop harvesting of human lives for scientific research... Last I heard human experimentation was frowned upon when we heard of the experiments of ones such as Mengele

Nobody wants to stop teaching scientific theories such as evolution, or other things. Just not the use of theories to try and offend the beliefs of others, and just to also teach that there are indeed othe rtheories about the emergence of life.

THERE IS NO MOTHERFUCKING SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, you ignorant leftist swine... try and understand what your rights and the limitations of government actually are

Show proof of making living wills illegal as supported by the entire 'christian right'.. we'll be waiting

Public decency laws are indeed supported.. for some people do believe (christian and otherwise) it is nice to have it that your children don't have to be exposed to anal sex acts in public or obscene behavior on public tv at 6PM dinner, etc... some people indeed, and rightfully so, don't necessarily want anarchy in public displays

More phony accusations by you and/or the author as a winger about judges and about a belief of an entire group

Your attempts to justify the various postions involved here, do not change the fact that these ARE positions taken by the Christian right on the vairous issues mentioned.
 

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The OP is the poster boy for 130th trimester abortions
 

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The agenda of Christian conservatives is relatively limited and they believe that much of it can be accomplished through the federal courts. Broadly speaking, their agenda is as follows:

They want to control the right of women to have abortions.

They want to ban all forms of gay marriage.

They want to prevent the teaching of safe sex in schools and to encourage home schooling.

They want to ban the use of contraceptives.

They want to halt stem cell reserach using human embryos.

They want to stop the teaching of evolution and/or to start the teaching of intelligent design.

They want to bring God into the public square and eliminate the separation of church and state.

They want to overturn the legality of living wills.

They want to control the sexual content of cable and network television, radio and the Internet.

They want to eliminate an "activist" judiciary that limits or impinges on their agenda by placing God-fearing judges on the bench who will promote their sincerely held beliefs.

From "Conservatives Without Conscience" by John W. Dean (p. 109)

I don't know about y'all, but this doesn't sound too good to me.

Comments?

Wow.. where do we begin to debunk this crapola??

They wish to protect innocent human life... whether that life inconveniences you or not

Some wish to ban gay marriage.. but others wish to support civil unions or to get the government out of the marriage business

Encouraging home schooling as a choice is a bad thing in a free society??

They wish to encourage the involvement of parents into the sex education of minors and that is a bad thing? They wish to teach that no sex is safe sex and that is a bad thing? They don't want a bunch of lefty teachers telling them that sex is OK and right when they are under age, even against the parents wishes, and that is a good thing??

They want to ban contraceptives?? Show this in proof.

They wish to stop harvesting of human lives for scientific research... Last I heard human experimentation was frowned upon when we heard of the experiments of ones such as Mengele

Nobody wants to stop teaching scientific theories such as evolution, or other things. Just not the use of theories to try and offend the beliefs of others, and just to also teach that there are indeed othe rtheories about the emergence of life.

THERE IS NO MOTHERFUCKING SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, you ignorant leftist swine... try and understand what your rights and the limitations of government actually are

Show proof of making living wills illegal as supported by the entire 'christian right'.. we'll be waiting

Public decency laws are indeed supported.. for some people do believe (christian and otherwise) it is nice to have it that your children don't have to be exposed to anal sex acts in public or obscene behavior on public tv at 6PM dinner, etc... some people indeed, and rightfully so, don't necessarily want anarchy in public displays

More phony accusations by you and/or the author as a winger about judges and about a belief of an entire group

Your attempts to justify the various postions involved here, do not change the fact that these ARE positions taken by the Christian right on the vairous issues mentioned.

No.. it precisely has shown you that your assertions are not anything fact at all.. rather just your wishful rantings to support your winger agenda.... they are not any wide held positions of the 'christian right' group
 

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Some wish to ban gay marriage.. but others wish to support civil unions or to get the government out of the marriage business

And some on the Christian right want none of those.


They wish to encourage the involvement of parents into the sex education of minors and that is a bad thing?

If they really wanted to do that they wouldn't be pushing abstinence education and instead just no sex ed.


They wish to teach that no sex is safe sex and that is a bad thing?

Yes, by focusing on the stupid small percentage of time where condoms or birth control fail they make it into paranoia. It's as if we were to teach kids there's no such thing as safe driving because there's always the possibility of mechanical failure.

They don't want a bunch of lefty teachers telling them that sex is OK and right when they are under age, even against the parents wishes, and that is a good thing??

Sex ed doesn't do that.

Nobody wants to stop teaching scientific theories such as evolution, or other things. Just not the use of theories to try and offend the beliefs of others, and just to also teach that there are indeed othe rtheories about the emergence of life.

How can it offend the beliefs of others, evolution, nay most of science says nothing about the existence of a god. Oh and if you want to teach ID then it shouldn't be in science class because it isn't science.


THERE IS NO MOTHERFUCKING SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, you ignorant leftist swine... try and understand what your rights and the limitations of government actually are

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,"

There's the clause we get separation of church and state from.


Public decency laws are indeed supported.. for some people do believe (christian and otherwise) it is nice to have it that your children don't have to be exposed to anal sex acts in public or obscene behavior on public tv at 6PM dinner, etc... some people indeed, and rightfully so, don't necessarily want anarchy in public displays

Yeah heaven forbid they change the channel, or use the V-chip in their TV. If they don't like it well then they want to make sure nobody gets to see it.
 

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Some wish to ban gay marriage.. but others wish to support civil unions or to get the government out of the marriage business

And some on the Christian right want none of those.


They wish to encourage the involvement of parents into the sex education of minors and that is a bad thing?

If they really wanted to do that they wouldn't be pushing abstinence education and instead just no sex ed.




Yes, by focusing on the stupid small percentage of time where condoms or birth control fail they make it into paranoia. It's as if we were to teach kids there's no such thing as safe driving because there's always the possibility of mechanical failure.



Sex ed doesn't do that.



How can it offend the beliefs of others, evolution, nay most of science says nothing about the existence of a god. Oh and if you want to teach ID then it shouldn't be in science class because it isn't science.


THERE IS NO MOTHERFUCKING SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, you ignorant leftist swine... try and understand what your rights and the limitations of government actually are

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,"

There's the clause we get separation of church and state from.


Public decency laws are indeed supported.. for some people do believe (christian and otherwise) it is nice to have it that your children don't have to be exposed to anal sex acts in public or obscene behavior on public tv at 6PM dinner, etc... some people indeed, and rightfully so, don't necessarily want anarchy in public displays

Yeah heaven forbid they change the channel, or use the V-chip in their TV. If they don't like it well then they want to make sure nobody gets to see it.

Again.. you and the thread starter push the assertion that it is the entire 'Christian right' that is pushing for this... and because some (not not all of the 'some' are just on the 'Christian right') have a stance, does not paint it on an entire group.... some women are murders, it does not mean all women are murderers.. I know it is a hard concept for the mentally inferior who subscribe to the winger views, but at least try
 

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Wow.. where do we begin to debunk this crapola??

They wish to protect innocent human life... whether that life inconveniences you or not
The life and wishes of the mother should have voice. Inconvenience is a sloppy word and it de-legitimizes what the mother wants.

Some wish to ban gay marriage.. but others wish to support civil unions or to get the government out of the marriage businessThe government is in the 'marriage business' because marriage is a legally binding contract. Why shouldn't law-abiding citizens avail themselves of this legal protection? And without diluting it to the second class status of 'civil union'.

Encouraging home schooling as a choice is a bad thing in a free society??

They wish to encourage the involvement of parents into the sex education of minors and that is a bad thing? They wish to teach that no sex is safe sex and that is a bad thing? They don't want a bunch of lefty teachers telling them that sex is OK and right when they are under age, even against the parents wishes, and that is a good thing??Abstinence only? Ask the Palins how that worked out for them! You betcha!

They want to ban contraceptives?? Show this in proof."Here's a condom. Here's how you don a condom." Are the Religious Conservatives going to tolerate such a lesson in a school?

They wish to stop harvesting of human lives for scientific research... Last I heard human experimentation was frowned upon when we heard of the experiments of ones such as MengeleThe difference between a living, breathing human and a frozen embryo is as vast as the difference between an acorn and an oak. Figure that out and then think about the Nazi reference. You dilute the horrors of the Holocaust for cheap political points which can be debunked by a bit of simple logic and clear thought.

Nobody wants to stop teaching scientific theories such as evolution, or other things. Just not the use of theories to try and offend the beliefs of others, and just to also teach that there are indeed other theories about the emergence of life.Teach creationism or "Intelligent" Design in a philosophy class. Keep mythology out of science classes.

THERE IS NO MOTHERFUCKING SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, you ignorant leftist swine... try and understand what your rights and the limitations of government actually areNext time a Conservative shouts about getting back to the values of our Founding Fathers, can you please repeat this about THERE IS NO MOTHERFUCKING SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

Show proof of making living wills illegal as supported by the entire 'christian right'.. we'll be waitingNice dodge there! slipping in that qualifier "the entire "!

Public decency laws are indeed supported.. for some people do believe (christian and otherwise) it is nice to have it that your children don't have to be exposed to anal sex acts in public or obscene behavior on public tv at 6PM dinner, etc... some people indeed, and rightfully so, don't necessarily want anarchy in public displays

More phony accusations by you and/or the author as a winger about judges and about a belief of an entire group
sorry about the clumsy nature of the rely. I don't know how to multi-quote so I used the color red in my responses.
 

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,"

There's the clause we get separation of church and state from.

To pick on this one often seen mistake... this does not give 'separation between church and state'.. saying that the government will not force the establishment of a particular religion does not mean that there shall be no mention of any religious saying or history or anything else within anything in the public eye

nice try there, winger
 

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They want to ban contraceptives?? Show this in proof.

Stating they want to *ban* contraceptives may be a bit of an over statement, but talk to folks and you'll see that there's a growing push in more Conservative churches to encourage married couples to stop using contraceptives, with the justification that the Bible specifically commands "be fruitful and multiply."

It also wasn't that long ago that it was illegal for married couples to obtain contraceptives in many of the States in the Union. I still recall a time when contraceptives like condoms were kept behind the pharmacy counter at the drug stores in many midwestern states.
 

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The agenda of Christian conservatives is relatively limited and they believe that much of it can be accomplished through the federal courts. Broadly speaking, their agenda is as follows:

They want to control the right of women to have abortions.

They want to ban all forms of gay marriage.

They want to prevent the teaching of safe sex in schools and to encourage home schooling.

They want to ban the use of contraceptives.

They want to halt stem cell reserach using human embryos.

They want to stop the teaching of evolution and/or to start the teaching of intelligent design.

They want to bring God into the public square and eliminate the separation of church and state.

They want to overturn the legality of living wills.

They want to control the sexual content of cable and network television, radio and the Internet.

They want to eliminate an "activist" judiciary that limits or impinges on their agenda by placing God-fearing judges on the bench who will promote their sincerely held beliefs.

From "Conservatives Without Conscience" by John W. Dean (p. 109)

I don't know about y'all, but this doesn't sound too good to me.

Comments?

About as useful and informative as the "10 traits of Socialists" thread and the "10 Traits of Capitalists" threads.

If this is what dialogue has come to in the country, we're toast.
 

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Wow.. where do we begin to debunk this crapola??

They wish to protect innocent human life... whether that life inconveniences you or not
The life and wishes of the mother should have voice. Inconvenience is a sloppy word and it de-legitimizes what the mother wants.

Some wish to ban gay marriage.. but others wish to support civil unions or to get the government out of the marriage businessThe government is in the 'marriage business' because marriage is a legally binding contract. Why shouldn't law-abiding citizens avail themselves of this legal protection? And without diluting it to the second class status of 'civil union'.

Encouraging home schooling as a choice is a bad thing in a free society??

They wish to encourage the involvement of parents into the sex education of minors and that is a bad thing? They wish to teach that no sex is safe sex and that is a bad thing? They don't want a bunch of lefty teachers telling them that sex is OK and right when they are under age, even against the parents wishes, and that is a good thing??Abstinence only? Ask the Palins how that worked out for them! You betcha!

They want to ban contraceptives?? Show this in proof."Here's a condom. Here's how you don a condom." Are the Religious Conservatives going to tolerate such a lesson in a school?

They wish to stop harvesting of human lives for scientific research... Last I heard human experimentation was frowned upon when we heard of the experiments of ones such as MengeleThe difference between a living, breathing human and a frozen embryo is as vast as the difference between an acorn and an oak. Figure that out and then think about the Nazi reference. You dilute the horrors of the Holocaust for cheap political points which can be debunked by a bit of simple logic and clear thought.

Nobody wants to stop teaching scientific theories such as evolution, or other things. Just not the use of theories to try and offend the beliefs of others, and just to also teach that there are indeed other theories about the emergence of life.Teach creationism or "Intelligent" Design in a philosophy class. Keep mythology out of science classes.

THERE IS NO MOTHERFUCKING SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, you ignorant leftist swine... try and understand what your rights and the limitations of government actually areNext time a Conservative shouts about getting back to the values of our Founding Fathers, can you please repeat this about THERE IS NO MOTHERFUCKING SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

Show proof of making living wills illegal as supported by the entire 'christian right'.. we'll be waitingNice dodge there! slipping in that qualifier "the entire "!

Public decency laws are indeed supported.. for some people do believe (christian and otherwise) it is nice to have it that your children don't have to be exposed to anal sex acts in public or obscene behavior on public tv at 6PM dinner, etc... some people indeed, and rightfully so, don't necessarily want anarchy in public displays

More phony accusations by you and/or the author as a winger about judges and about a belief of an entire group
sorry about the clumsy nature of the rely. I don't know how to multi-quote so I used the color red in my responses.

1) So you are only selectively for the protection of human life...
2) You can already have a legally binding contract to ensure all the things a marriage contract allows.... you just need to have things like the tax laws changed for joint returns
3) Abstinence is the ONLY way to ensure no pregnancy happens.... there is no 'safe sex'... and I do not teach my kids that it is right for any non-adult to have sex and there is no consensual sex until one is an adult
4) Your example gives nothing into the assertion that the whole group is trying to ban contraceptives.. nice try though
5) A life is a life... what next?? Care to carve up those in a vegetative state for your research?? Only like the difference between a plant active in spring and dormant in winter.... You either wish to protect innocent life or you don't.... not harvest your select choices for your benefit
6) I have never stated that the founding fathers putting forth a 'Christian' government or anything of the sort....
7) The poster stated 'the christian right'.. not some extremists on the right... not any select persons... the guy was making the stupid post about the group as a whole.. you know it, he knows it, and I know it
 

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They want to ban contraceptives?? Show this in proof.

Stating they want to *ban* contraceptives may be a bit of an over statement, but talk to folks and you'll see that there's a growing push in more Conservative churches to encourage married couples to stop using contraceptives, with the justification that the Bible specifically commands "be fruitful and multiply."

It also wasn't that long ago that it was illegal for married couples to obtain contraceptives in many of the States in the Union. I still recall a time when contraceptives like condoms were kept behind the pharmacy counter at the drug stores in many midwestern states.

That is still a belief or choice... and those people are not forced into that church by the government (I.E. no establishment of a religion by government)... and they can choose that action with belonging to that group.. or they can choose not to

Keeping rubbers behind the counter is not banning their purchase or use
 
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About as useful and informative as the "10 traits of Socialists" thread and the "10 Traits of Capitalists" threads.

If this is what dialogue has come to in the country, we're toast.

Very astute of you to catch that - the "10 Traits of Socialists" thread was precisely the inspiration for this thread of mine here.

But it seems to be engendering a fair amount of comment, which is, after all, what this place is (or should be) all about, hey? ;)
 

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