The Palestinian National Identity as it is: no lies, propaganda and hidden agendas allowed

[P F Tinmore]

Never heard that one before, how about a LINK that actually says this ?

Of course not. Israeli propaganda does not say that.

 

[Hollie]

Palestine is a multi racial, multi religious, multi ethnic place. None of that matters. Palestinians are Palestinians regardless.

Now that's pretty darn funny.

I wonder why it is that facts contradict your statements?

Gaza Strip Religion Facts & Stats

Muslim (predominantly Sunni) 99.3%, Christian 0.7%

Religious diversity score 0.0342 2001 205th out of 214


Gee whiz, but your multi-culti comment is shown to be utterly baseless.

 

[Phoenall]

Palestine is a multi racial, multi religious, multi ethnic place. None of that matters. Palestinians are Palestinians regardless.

Oh please. The only part of "Palestine" which is multi-ethnic and multi-religious is Israel.

You should know that is not true.

But it is true as you have yet to prove otherwise. gaza is an islamonazi state with laws against other religions, the west bank is the same which is why they have charters banning Jews and Christians from living there.

 

[Phoenall]

Never heard that one before, how about a LINK that actually says this ?

Of course not. Israeli propaganda does not say that.

In other words you made it up and now want to get out of jail with even more fantasy tales.


TIME TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP

 

[Challenger]

Do you think they were wrong to resist enslavement by and rule of people newly transferred from another continent?

Yes. I do think they were (and are) wrong. I think the emotional drama of your statement demonstrates the ideology with which the Arab Muslims view the situation. The problem is not presented as Palestinian self-determination. The underlying problem is the belief that the Joooooos will enslave us! The HORROR!

Let's face reality here. Unless one has been in a coma for years and years, we have seen the population in the U.S. change. There have been Asians, Southeast Asians, Hispanics, Middle Easterners, etc. moving to America in huge numbers for the jobs, freedom and opportunities this country offers. If people were honest they would realize that the same thing happened in Israel. Why should these poor Arabs stay put in their own countries when they could move to a country where things would be much better for them. The British officials in the area recognized what was happening.

About the only indigenous there, apart from the Jews who never left and some Christians, were the Bedouins who moved around from place to place. Does anyone really think this man was lying about his observations.

Doc's Talk: A TOUR OF PALESTINE; THE YEAR IS 1695

Then how about the observation of this man's wife's grandfathers. Were they lying too?


The Arabs in the Holy Land - Natives or Aliens?

Oh good grief, they really are getting desperate now, from Joan Peters to Adriaan Reland? You do know Adriaan Reland never left Holland in his life.

 

[Challenger]

Challenger, et al,

The BS piles up so high on the Arab Palestinian side --- I need energizer bunny wings --- just to stay above it.

Victims of violations of Customary and Humanitarian Laws (IHL), as well as, Article 1 (UN Charter) as guaranteed by international and humanitarian law are entitled to effective remedies. According to Article 3 (Hague Regulation), which reflects norms of Customary IHL.

Article 3: A belligerent party which violates the provisions of the said Regulations shall, if the case demands, be liable to pay compensation. It shall be responsible for all acts committed by persons forming part of its armed forces. (1907 HR)
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"In order to pave the way for future reconciliation, all claims arising out of the conflict should be settled. Reaching a comprehensive and sustainable peace agreement requires that the wrongs committed during the conflict are addressed and redressed." (PLO-NAD)​

The demand to settle all claims, before a reconciliation can move forward, is in itself, a roadblock to negotiation and peace.

This is a common practice of the Arab Palestinian. They claim "nothing is ever their fault" and they are always the victim.

Actually, that's been a Jewish mantra over the centuries.

(COMMENT)

The Israelis, look at themselves in reflection, quite frequently. As you and your comrades point-out --- they apply advanced legal reviews (military and civilian) and proceedings that are not (in any case) self-serving. And there are a number of reasonably solid people that differ.

Historical evidence accumulated from a distance past, only works for one side.

It is OK to listen to Jewish Historians that are pro-Arab Palestinian ---- BUT ---- it is not OK to (say) listen to the authors of Resolution 242.
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The Arab Palestinians have played cry-baby so much --- over the more than half-century since the Arab League's interdiction of force --- that the demands border on the insane. If the Jewish have a mantra, it is to secure and protect the Citizen and the State of Israel from further attacks and abuse from the regional anti-semitics under the false color of law.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nope. Looks like another rambling and convoluted but pointless post from RoccoR with smatterings of "legalese" to make him look erudite. Historical evidence, is just that, evidence. It is up to the reader to evaluate the source and the credibility of the evidence presented. My experience is that Zionists lie. Period.

 

[Hossfly]

Oh, you mean fact and not bullshit as you post. Who do you think lived in Palestine, Martians? Muslims and Christians lived in Palestine.

Wow, this Monte has some kind of agenda. Actually, I believe the eye-witness accounts. People who were there certainly saw what was going on. There were mainly Jews, then Christians, and Bedouin who came and went as was their habit. The Arabs came later on when there were employment opportunities for them. Unless you only get out of your place for your shock treatments, you certainly must see the changes in the U.S. population. The people who have come here and are still coming from various areas of the world are doing so for the same reason the Arabs left their surrounding Middle East countries.

By the way, the Christians want to be called Arameans,


Christians in the Holy Land: Don’t Call Us Arabs

It is an Israeli thing to call all Palestinians Arabs. It is their way to erase the existence of Palestinians.

I suggest you get in contact with your boss and ask him why he saId this.

 

[Shusha]

Palestine is a multi racial, multi religious, multi ethnic place. None of that matters. Palestinians are Palestinians regardless.

Oh please. The only part of "Palestine" which is multi-ethnic and multi-religious is Israel.

You should know that is not true.

I can't even pray at my own most Holy Place because the Muslims get pissy and violent. Are you trying to tell me that I could arrange a public menorah lighting in Khan Younis? You are absurd.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Even the arab muslim leaders say that the palestinians are migrants from Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Jordan and Saudi.

Are you saying that Americans are not a legitimate people because we are, for the most part, from someplace else?

 

[Phoenall]

The nice thing about facts, is that they don't change. Like the fact that you're a moron.

Facts do change when you manipulate them as you do. Like your latest that you pass of as being about the arab muslims and the Jews by omitting the first sentence. When put back in it shows that it is dealing with America and the amerindians being invaded by the Catholics

 

[Coyote]

Thread reopened. 20 some posts that were off topic derailment, spit balls and foodfights have been removed.

Time to get on topic: Palestinian National Identity and a national identity.

Any further violations will be dealt with more strictly.

 

[Lipush]

No one is coming to deny that the Arabs of the land has connection to the homeland, just like the Jews do. But unlike the Jews, they're not told that sitting in a certain areas is illegal just because they're Arabs. Those Palestinians who are not free to sit anywhere on the land is because of the war and because it risks the lives of Jews.

Descrimination is convenient against the Jews of the land.

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Just like you deny the reality of a Civil War prior to the War of Independence, so it is that you see something within the Treaty of Lausanne that is not there; a political delusion and abnormally meaningless revelation of a latent reality.

You want the outcome to be so necessarily favorable to the Arab Palestinian Cause, that your Mental Acuity become twisted and the Emotional Competence and Rational Understanding become dysfunctional.

It was clear. Those who normally lived in the territory of Palestine, that was defined by international borders, would be Palestinian citizens. Nobody was excluded and nobody else was included.

Addressed more times than I can remember.

You can throw lies at it as often as you want. It doesn't change the facts.

If they are lies then why cant you prove they are, is it because there is no evidence to back you up ?

I am just going by what the treaty said.
What do you have?

(COMMENT)

You are absolutely correct that the Treaty of Lausanne neither creates nor recognized the new Palestinian national identity. You are correct that neither the citizenship clauses in the Palestine Order in Council, or the 1925 Citizenship Order recognized the new Palestinian national identity. In intent of these three documents in the regard of Citizenship and Nationality was to establish a framework for the international protection of stateless persons. Its specific application to persons within the venue of the Government of Palestine (that being the territory placed in the care of the Mandatory - Briton) was to provide for stateless persons; and that they enjoy, at a minimum, the same treatment as other non-nationals. The solution was to make them citizens under the Government of Palestine. In fact, it was only after the Oslo Agreement that the Palestinian Authority (PA) (created by the Oslo Accords) (1995) was there issuance of a PA Passport.

The Treaty does not further you argument except for the prevention of Stateless Persons as the result of WWII.

Most Respectfully,
R

Native people defending themselves from a foreign invader is not a civil war. The Jews came from Europe.

 

[montelatici]

No one is coming to deny that the Arabs of the land has connection to the homeland, just like the Jews do. But unlike the Jews, they're not told that sitting in a certain areas is illegal just because they're Arabs. Those Palestinians who are not free to sit anywhere on the land is because of the war and because it risks the lives of Jews.

Descrimination is convenient against the Jews of the land.

Once land is "redeemed" by Jews, non-Jews if is off limits to non-Jews. You continue to propagate lies.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Just like you deny the reality of a Civil War prior to the War of Independence, so it is that you see something within the Treaty of Lausanne that is not there; a political delusion and abnormally meaningless revelation of a latent reality.

You want the outcome to be so necessarily favorable to the Arab Palestinian Cause, that your Mental Acuity become twisted and the Emotional Competence and Rational Understanding become dysfunctional.

Addressed more times than I can remember.

You can throw lies at it as often as you want. It doesn't change the facts.

If they are lies then why cant you prove they are, is it because there is no evidence to back you up ?

I am just going by what the treaty said.
What do you have?

(COMMENT)

You are absolutely correct that the Treaty of Lausanne neither creates nor recognized the new Palestinian national identity. You are correct that neither the citizenship clauses in the Palestine Order in Council, or the 1925 Citizenship Order recognized the new Palestinian national identity. In intent of these three documents in the regard of Citizenship and Nationality was to establish a framework for the international protection of stateless persons. Its specific application to persons within the venue of the Government of Palestine (that being the territory placed in the care of the Mandatory - Briton) was to provide for stateless persons; and that they enjoy, at a minimum, the same treatment as other non-nationals. The solution was to make them citizens under the Government of Palestine. In fact, it was only after the Oslo Agreement that the Palestinian Authority (PA) (created by the Oslo Accords) (1995) was there issuance of a PA Passport.

The Treaty does not further you argument except for the prevention of Stateless Persons as the result of WWII.

Most Respectfully,
R

Native people defending themselves from a foreign invader is not a civil war. The Jews came from Europe.

You're using the continued silly slogans "native people" and "invaders" you typically use without any knowledge of the history and circumstances.

How do Arab-Moslem squatters suddenly become "native people"?

How are the Jewish people invaders when the mandatory assembled a specific mechanism for establishment of the Jewish National Home?

Why do you repeat such silly slogans when you have no facts and understang so little?

 

[montelatici]

Facts are not slogans. Your Zionist propaganda is fraught with slogans. You understand Zionist propaganda. I state fact. But you knew that.

 

[Hollie]

Facts are not slogans. Your Zionist propaganda is fraught with slogans. You understand Zionist propaganda. I state fact. But you knew that.

You're befuddled, But you knew that. Your version of "Monty facts" tend to be at odds with documented history. We can look to your continued Islamist propaganda that is rife with slogans about some invented Zionist Invasion™ that you believe occurred in your invented "country of Pal'istan"

Other than the rather laughable version of history you learn at your madrassah, the Zionist Invasion™ of your invented "country of Pal'istan" appears to have taken place only in your rather confused and vivid imagination.

 

[montelatici]

It's so enjoyable to watch you defend the indefensible. Keep it up.

 

[Hossfly]

It's so enjoyable to watch you defend the indefensible. Keep it up.

You are infatuated with your imagination and that's not healthy, nut.

 

[Hollie]

It's so enjoyable to watch you defend the indefensible. Keep it up.

You're easily amused.

It's not enjoyable at all but comically tragic to watch you sidestep and evade when challenged to support your indefensible claims to some Zionist Invasion™ of your invented "country of Pal'istan" that you rattle on about but are incapable of supporting.

Your inarticulate and subsequently incoherent attempts at argument are a hoot.