Israel & Palestinians - What Next?

[MJB12741]

People have been "migrating" for thousands of years, look at the US. Europeans "migrated" here several hundreds years ago, what point are you trying to make here?

You do well at critisizing what you don't understand. Let me help you. The point as originally stated is why wont any Arab countries allow Palestinians to return?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You do well at critisizing what you don't understand. Let me help you. The point as originally stated is why wont any Arab countries allow Palestinians to return?

Because the question is fallacious, like me asking "have you stopped beating your wife?".

In logic and philosophical debating this is a well known fallacy called the "loaded question fallacy" you can read of it here.

Such questions may be used as a rhetorical tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda.

Loaded question - Wikipedia

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You could just as easily ask "Why won't the Israelis allow Palestinians to return?" or "Why won't Europe allows Jews to return?" but you won't ask these will you?

 

[MJB12741]

Because the question is fallacious, like me asking "have you stopped beating your wife?".

In logic and philosophical debating this is a well known fallacy called the "loaded question fallacy" you can read of it here.

Loaded question - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You could just as easily ask "Why won't the Israelis allow Palestinians to return?" or "Why won't Europe allows Jews to return?" but you won't ask these will you?

So, if you can't answer the question, just change it. Right?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

So, if you can't answer the question, just change it. Right?

I don't answer loaded questions.

If you asked me "Have you stopped beating your wife?" I wouldn't answer that for the very same reason, it's a loaded question, a rhetorical trick that might catch dumb trumpanzees but will never catch Sherlock Holmes.

Up your game if you want discuss something like this with me, I deal in facts. If you don't understand what a loaded question is then read that article and educate yourself, there are enough dummies around here as it is.

 

[Lisa558]

Trump said we would own it, and develop it, as "The Riviera of the Middle East". Trump Moscow did not go up, but I would not be surprised if Don Jr. wasn't looking forward to building Trump Gaza.

It’s an opening gambit for a negotiation, and it’s not a bad one.

What other possibility is there? No Arab country wants them. America sure as hell doesn’t need any more antisemites. They can’t move back to Gaza because there’s nothing to move back to.

I say Egypt should be pressured to take in their fellow Muslims, and in return the US will 1) continue to give them aid, 2) allow them to share in ownership of the Gaza Riviera, or at least build resorts there when the times comes for development.

 

[toomuchtime_]

It’s an opening gambit for a negotiation, and it’s not a bad one.

What other possibility is there? No Arab country wants them. America sure as hell doesn’t need any more antisemites. They can’t move back to Gaza because there’s nothing to move back to.

I say Egypt should be pressured to take in their fellow Muslims, and in return the US will 1) continue to give them aid, 2) allow them to share in ownership of the Gaza Riviera, or at least build resorts there when the times comes for development.

It is impossible to imagine any negotiation with the Palestinians because there is no Palestinian leader who can credibly offer peace to Israel. President Trump's plan can work and it is the only plan out there that can bring peace to the area.

 

[Lisa558]

It is impossible to imagine any negotiation with the Palestinians because there is no Palestinian leader who can credibly offer peace to Israel. President Trump's plan can work and it is the only plan out there that can bring peace to the area.

Same with his approach with the Abraham Accords. Forge relationships between moderate Arab countries and Israel, eventually isolating Iran and their Islamic terrorists in Gaza.

Trump really thinks outside the box. And the way he’s started right out of the gate? Better than I ever imagined.

 

[White 6]

It’s an opening gambit for a negotiation, and it’s not a bad one.

What other possibility is there? No Arab country wants them. America sure as hell doesn’t need any more antisemites. They can’t move back to Gaza because there’s nothing to move back to.

I say Egypt should be pressured to take in their fellow Muslims, and in return the US will 1) continue to give them aid, 2) allow them to share in ownership of the Gaza Riviera, or at least build resorts there when the times comes for development.

I look at it as just more goofy spouting off, until I see something tangible, or hear through the grapevine, where people are going, or getting ready to. He says things to grab headlines, often never meaning them. I am not on the inside. There is no tell his fact from fiction, to the point, I am not sure he can either. You can be charitably optimistic, if you choose, thinking it is like Gen Patton, answering, after being told "They don't know when you are serious". Him replying, "It is not important for them to know when I am serious. It is only important for me to know when I am serious. Think what you like, but Donny is no Patton.

 

[Lisa558]

I look at it as just more goofy spouting off, until I see something tangible, or hear through the grapevine, where people are going, or getting ready to. He says things to grab headlines, often never meaning them. I am not on the inside. There is no tell his fact from fiction, to the point, I am not sure he can either. You can be charitably optimistic, if you choose, thinking it is like Gen Patton, answering, after being told "They don't know when you are serious". Him replying, "It is not important for them to know when I am serious. It is only important for me to know when I am serious. Think what you like, but Donny is no Patton.

Things were going very positively with the Abraham Accords until O’Biden derailed things by restoring the money flow to HAMAS and Iran.

You’re just too much of a Trump-hater to recognize anything good about him - and there is plenty.

 

[White 6]

Things were going very positively with the Abraham Accords until O’Biden derailed things by restoring the money flow to HAMAS and Iran.

You’re just too much of a Trump-hater to recognize anything good about him - and there is plenty.

I don't care if he wants the area leveled and rebuilt as "The Riviera of the Middle East". I definitely prefer he doesn't kill a bunch of our troops, to do it. I certainly don't mind putting Israeli troops on the line to do it, or giving Israel military aide for them to accomplish. I have said before, I do not see Palestinians in Gaza living peacefully with Israel in existence. Israel has the ability to handle its own military conflicts, to protect their sovereign existence and the Israeli people. Let them do it. I have no problem turning a blind eye, while they do what they think best.

 

[Lisa558]

I don't care if he wants the area leveled and rebuilt as "The Riviera of the Middle East". I definitely prefer he doesn't kill a bunch of our troops, to do it. I certainly don't mind putting Israeli troops on the line to do it, or giving Israel military aide for them to accomplish. I have said before, I do not see Palestinians in Gaza living peacefully with Israel in existence. Israel has the ability to handle its own military conflicts, to protect their sovereign existence and the Israeli people. Let them do it. I have no problem turning a blind eye, while they do what they think best.

Yes, Israel has the ability to handle its own military conflicts, but until Jan 20, we had Biden putting the blame on Israel, tying their hands, tiptoeing around Islamic terrorists so as not to lose the votes of Muslims in MIchigan, and Democrats tolerating awful antisemitism - with the far left actually advancing it.

Israel will now be permitted to continue to exterminate HAMAS, which is not yet complete. But we have to think about what happens after, and so far, Trump is the only one thinking out of the box.

After the Islamic terrorist massacre of Oct 7, there is no possibility that we can go back to having Gazans in a dedicated state adjacent to Israel. And there’s nowhere for them to go back anyway.

So the question is: what is to be done with the Gazans?

 

[White 6]

Yes, Israel has the ability to handle its own military conflicts, but until Jan 20, we had Biden putting the blame on Israel, tying their hands, tiptoeing around Islamic terrorists so as not to lose the votes of Muslims in MIchigan, and Democrats tolerating awful antisemitism - with the far left actually advancing it.

Israel will now be permitted to continue to exterminate HAMAS, which is not yet complete. But we have to think about what happens after, and so far, Trump is the only one thinking out of the box.

After the Islamic terrorist massacre of Oct 7, there is no possibility that we can go back to having Gazans in a dedicated state adjacent to Israel. And there’s nowhere for them to go back anyway.

So the question is: what is to be done with the Gazans?

I don't care what happens to the Gazans, as they should not have launched that inhuman attack, killing, raping, and taking hostages in their nighttime sneak attack.
I simply do not care. But, it is not important enough to me, to risk one single US Soldier for.
If they pull it off, I am sure Trump Gaza Hotel and country club will be magnificent, under the guidance of Jared and Don Jr. As always in the Middle East, players must, above all else, avoid the sand traps.

 

[MJB12741]

Let's stop hurling labels back and forth, and discuss what's next for Gaza. Is Trump's plan any worse than the status quo before Oct. 7?

Still hard to know for sure on Trumps plan. But why would any Gaza Palestinians not favor chancing it rather than continue tive homeless in ruins in Gaza?

Let's stop hurling labels back and forth, and discuss what's next for Gaza. Is Trump's plan any worse than the status quo before Oct. 7?

Still hard to know for sure on Trump's plan. But why would any Gaza Palestinian not want chancing it rather than now live homeless in Gaza ruins?

 

[Cassandro]

Still hard to know for sure on Trumps plan. But why would any Gaza Palestinians not favor chancing it rather than continue tive homeless in ruins in Gaza?

Still hard to know for sure on Trump's plan. But why would any Gaza Palestinian not want chancing it rather than now live homeless in Gaza ruins?

What if it was voluntary?

 

[MJB12741]

What if it was voluntary?

Fine. But I still don't understand why any Palestinian would want to remain in Gaza, at least for now. Would be great if some Arab country would take them in for now to help them.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

 

[MJB12741]

Makes good sense for Gaza Palestinians to want to leave. But to where?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Makes good sense for Gaza Palestinians to want to leave. But to where?

Most places, but I would especially like to see them go to Spain, Ireland and Sweden. Since we are talking about voluntary emigration, the host countries would not be dealing with masses of people but with individuals, so unless they have passed laws against admitting Palestinians they will be admitted on the same basis as other immigrants.

 

[MJB12741]

I feel for the innocent Palestinians who did not support Hamas for they are the victims of Hamas. Truly sad no surrounding Arab countries will grant them entry into their country.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I feel for the innocent Palestinians who did not support Hamas for they are the victims of Hamas. Truly sad no surrounding Arab countries will grant them entry into their country.

That's amazing. Where did you find an innocent Palestinian?