The Overturning of Roe v Wade

[Rigby5]

Egg alone is not a human vice versa sperm alone is not a human it takes both.

Not really.
Humans reproduce by meiosis now, but historically in the distant past is was asexual mitosis.
And asexual mitosis still can and does sometimes happen.
So it does not take both.
It usually does, because the sharing of DNA is more successful than just an exact copy.
But asexual fission is much older and more common.

 

[Rigby5]

An unborn does feel pain at a certain point 6 weeks I believe. it does have a soul

Pain is just a nerve stimulus.
What matter is if it cares or not, and since it is unconscious, it does not care at all about anything.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Pain is just a nerve stimulus.
What matter is if it cares or not, and since it is unconscious, it does not care at all about anything.

Pain is still pain

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Not really.
Humans reproduce by meiosis now, but historically in the distant past is was asexual mitosis.
And asexual mitosis still can and does sometimes happen.
So it does not take both.
It usually does, because the sharing of DNA is more successful than just an exact copy.
But asexual fission is much older and more common.

Yes really it takes both egg and sperm

 

[Rigby5]

And before we go any deeper into the question of the "value" of life, clearly we do not really value life.
If we did, we would not have dropped the atomic bombs, killing a quarter million innocent civilian lives.
We would not fail to provide public health care.
We would not ruin lives with the War on Drugs, etc.
We murdered half a million innocent Iraqis over what we now know were deliberate lies.
So please to not tell me we value lives.
We clearly do not.

 

[Rigby5]

Pain is still pain

Similar to the automatic kick when you strike below the knee.
It is not something a fetus cares about.
You are imagining sentient features that are not yet present.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes really it takes both egg and sperm

Usually, but not always.
An ovum can duplicate and make a fertile fetus all by itself.
It is just very rare.

 

[Faun]

Yes there is a difference you point out, but the similarity is that neither Teri nor an unconscious fetus cares any more or yet.
The point is sentience is all that is of value, and if we are going to talk about "potential". then each sperm and ovum has that same potential.
Do you want to save each sperm and ovum?

Again, your analogy is a fail. Exactly how fucked in the head are you to persist with it?

 

[Rigby5]

Again, your analogy is a fail. Exactly how fucked in the head are you to persist with it?

The analogy is NOT a fail.
Sentience is a temporary thing.
It starts and ends.
And before then and after then, the body is insignificant.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Usually, but not always.
An ovum can duplicate and make a fertile fetus all by itself.
It is just very rare.

No it's not rare because it doesn't exist.

 

[Faun]

The analogy is NOT a fail.
Sentience is a temporary thing.
It starts and ends.
And before then and after then, the body is insignificant.

Of course it's a fail. You're a fail so your arguments are doomed to fail. If a person is in a coma and has no chance of recovery, they can get a court order to "pull the plug." But if doctors deem there's a chance of recovery, no court will grant such a request.

 

[Jake Winker Frogen]

From what I have gleaned from the leaked decision is it is not concerned about when a person becomes a person at all.

It makes the simple, bare-knuckles legal claim there is nothing in the constitution whatsoever that grants a woman a constitutionally protected right to an abortion and so therefore the states must make their own laws on the subject.

 

[Rigby5]

No it's not rare because it doesn't exist.

Wrong.
All organisms used simple cell division, mitosis at one time, and all organisms that have added the complexity of meiosis, still have the ability to use mitosis, and it happens spontaneously on rare occasions.

 

[Rigby5]

Again, your analogy is a fail. Exactly how fucked in the head are you to persist with it?

Wrong.
Unconscious life without sentience is not of value.
The fact we could do nothing to restore Teri Schiavo's consciousness, but could allow most fetuses to develop consciousness, is irrelevant.
Any ovum and sperm can be used for that.
The inopportune one does not have to be used.
It can be discarded in favor of an ovum/sperm combination that is more opportune.

Your lie is the claim that abortion reduces life by one.
And the reality is it does not.
All it does is delay for another ovum/sperm combination that is better timed.
The final tally of lives is identical after the family has become more prepared for a child.
The world is improved by abortion, not diminished in any way.

 

[Rigby5]

Of course it's a fail. You're a fail so your arguments are doomed to fail. If a person is in a coma and has no chance of recovery, they can get a court order to "pull the plug." But if doctors deem there's a chance of recovery, no court will grant such a request.

Wrong.
All cases could miraculously have a chance of recovery.
But all courts will still let the executor pull the plug at any time.
The courts have no authority to act otherwise.

 

[Rigby5]

No it's not rare because it doesn't exist.

Wrong.
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How Do Humans Reproduce Asexually?​

It is a known fact that the advanced and most evolved class of animal kingdom – the homo sapiens reproduce sexually. But there are cases where humans reproduce through asexual modes. Asexual reproduction in humans is carried out without the immediate use of fertilization of the male and female sex cells (the sperm and egg). It is carried out by fusing a few parts of human sperm, embryo, the egg or unnatural genes to reproduce a new human fetus which further undergoes maturation and development depending upon the medical procedures. It is usually carried out in case of infertility using the assisted reproductive treatment such as the IVF(Invitro fertilization).

However, there is a mode of asexual reproduction which occurs naturally in a woman’s body which is known as the monozygotic twinning. It is a kind of asexual reproduction which has been used for decades in the IVF cycles, a type of human cloning. Other types of asexual reproduction that is carried out artificially as part of IVF is the cloning by somatic cell nuclear transfer.

The latest advancement in the field of medicine has given rise to a new breakthrough in the domain of asexual reproduction referred to as the ‘3-parent-embryo’ which involves the use of several techniques, for instance, the mitochondrial transfer which is again another kind of cloning. The concept is that three parents can be used to produce one single embryo if the mitochondria, which are usually found in the female egg, is replaced by the mitochondria from the third party in case of any defect.

Get to know more about asexual reproduction in humans and related topics, by registering at BYJU’S.
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Different Methods Of Asexual Reproduction In Humans

Get to know about how reproduction takes place asexually in humans through different medical procedures carried out with the transfer of genetic information to the next generation.

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[Rigby5]

From what I have gleaned from the leaked decision is it is not concerned about when a person becomes a person at all.

It makes the simple, bare-knuckles legal claim there is nothing in the constitution whatsoever that grants a woman a constitutionally protected right to an abortion and so therefore the states must make their own laws on the subject.

Totally and completely wrong.

First of all, the Constitution does not and should not mention any thing at all about rights.
Since rights are infinite and the Constitution is not, clearly anyone who expects to go to the Constitution for rights, is totally wrong and confused.
If rights did not exist BEFORE the Constitution, then we could not have had the American Revolution, which was based on and authorized by our inherent individual rights.

You have it totally backwards.
Government does not at all create rights, but our inherent individual rights is what gives us the authority to create government.
As philosophers put it, you can NOT have government granting rights, because that automatically implies that government then can simply decide to take they away, any time it wants.
Anyone looking for individual rights in the federal Constitution is totally confused.
The point of the federal constitution is ONLY to define and limit federal authority.
And the 10th amendment does NOT then assume it is up to states, because it also mentions "the people", which is because individual rights are inherent and not granted by ANY government, federal, state, or local.
That should be obvious because rights are INFINITE, and can never even ever be fully listed.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Wrong.
All organisms used simple cell division, mitosis at one time, and all organisms that have added the complexity of meiosis, still have the ability to use mitosis, and it happens spontaneously on rare occasions.

Nope

 

[Faun]

Wrong.
Unconscious life without sentience is not of value.
The fact we could do nothing to restore Teri Schiavo's consciousness, but could allow most fetuses to develop consciousness, is irrelevant.
Any ovum and sperm can be used for that.
The inopportune one does not have to be used.
It can be discarded in favor of an ovum/sperm combination that is more opportune.

Your lie is the claim that abortion reduces life by one.
And the reality is it does not.
All it does is delay for another ovum/sperm combination that is better timed.
The final tally of lives is identical after the family has become more prepared for a child.
The world is improved by abortion, not diminished in any way.

You're utterly insane. Again, Schiavo had zero chance of recovery as half of her brain had irreparably dissolved and it was her wish, according to her husband at one time, to not be kept alive by machine under such a dramatic event.

None of that applies to the vast majority of abortions.

And abortion is a very personal matter. Your bizarre views do not apply to anyone but yourself.

 

[Faun]

Wrong.
{...

How Do Humans Reproduce Asexually?​

It is a known fact that the advanced and most evolved class of animal kingdom – the homo sapiens reproduce sexually. But there are cases where humans reproduce through asexual modes. Asexual reproduction in humans is carried out without the immediate use of fertilization of the male and female sex cells (the sperm and egg). It is carried out by fusing a few parts of human sperm, embryo, the egg or unnatural genes to reproduce a new human fetus which further undergoes maturation and development depending upon the medical procedures. It is usually carried out in case of infertility using the assisted reproductive treatment such as the IVF(Invitro fertilization).

However, there is a mode of asexual reproduction which occurs naturally in a woman’s body which is known as the monozygotic twinning. It is a kind of asexual reproduction which has been used for decades in the IVF cycles, a type of human cloning. Other types of asexual reproduction that is carried out artificially as part of IVF is the cloning by somatic cell nuclear transfer.

The latest advancement in the field of medicine has given rise to a new breakthrough in the domain of asexual reproduction referred to as the ‘3-parent-embryo’ which involves the use of several techniques, for instance, the mitochondrial transfer which is again another kind of cloning. The concept is that three parents can be used to produce one single embryo if the mitochondria, which are usually found in the female egg, is replaced by the mitochondria from the third party in case of any defect.

Get to know more about asexual reproduction in humans and related topics, by registering at BYJU’S.
...}

Different Methods Of Asexual Reproduction In Humans

Get to know about how reproduction takes place asexually in humans through different medical procedures carried out with the transfer of genetic information to the next generation.

byjus.com

Nothing in there indicates that can happen naturally.