The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[watchingfromafar]

I can settle this once and for all. There is a grave yard where all the great Jewish leaders were buried, and that burial place is NOT in the land they falsely call “Israel”.

Genesis 25:9 His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite,

Genesis 47:30 but when I rest with my fathers, carry me out of Egypt and bury me [ Israel ] where they are buried." "I will do as you say," he said. ;

Genesis 49:31 There Abraham and his wife Sarah were buried, there Isaac and his wife Rebekah were buried, and there I buried Leah.

Genesis 50:10 And they came to the threshingfloor of Atad, which is beyond Jordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation:

Genesis 50:13 For his sons carried him [ Israel ] into the land of Canaan, and buried him in the cave of the field of Machpelah, which Abraham bought with the field for a possession of a burying place of Ephron the Hittite, before Mamre.

Genesis 50:14 After burying his father, Joseph returned to Egypt, together with his brothers and all the others who had gone with him to bury his father.
the truth will set you free
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[MartyNYC]

I can settle this once and for all. There is a grave yard where all the great Jewish leaders were buried, and that burial place is NOT in the land they falsely call “Israel”.

Genesis 25:9 His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite,

Genesis 47:30 but when I rest with my fathers, carry me out of Egypt and bury me [ Israel ] where they are buried." "I will do as you say," he said. ;

Genesis 49:31 There Abraham and his wife Sarah were buried, there Isaac and his wife Rebekah were buried, and there I buried Leah.

Genesis 50:10 And they came to the threshingfloor of Atad, which is beyond Jordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation:

Genesis 50:13 For his sons carried him [ Israel ] into the land of Canaan, and buried him in the cave of the field of Machpelah, which Abraham bought with the field for a possession of a burying place of Ephron the Hittite, before Mamre.

Genesis 50:14 After burying his father, Joseph returned to Egypt, together with his brothers and all the others who had gone with him to bury his father.
the truth will set you free
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Never been any palestinians.

 

[rylah]

rather that G-d has His plans,
and because G-d chose to carry His Name in Israel.

God is all powerful and if He wanted to He could snap his fingers together and all would be as He wishes it to be, but He didn't and won't because He left it up to the Israelite's to choose what to do instead. God doesn't want puppets on a string He wants followers who obey His commandments, follow His instructions and if they comply they will multiply and prosper; if not they will not.
They are not------
..According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."
Jewish population by country - Wikipedia

bye.,.,.bye..,.bye.,.,.,gone.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,., to never be seen again
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How did you say "multiply and prosper"?

Israeli fertility rate highest in OECD

en.globes.co.il

Exactly, the land knows her true children.

 

[Sixties Fan]

In conclusion

Prof. Efraim Karsh features a report by the British Peel Commission (Palestine Betrayed, 2010): “during 1922-1931, the increase of Arab population in Haifa, Jaffa and Jerusalem was 86%, 62% and 37% respectively.”

As a result of the 1880-1947 waves of Arab immigration, the Arab population of Jaffa, Haifa and Ramla grew 17, 12 and 5 times respectively.

Thus, contrary to Palestinian claims, Arab residents west of the Jordan River (Judea, Samaria and pre-1967 Israel) are not descendants of the Canaanites, but of Arab migrants.

Moreover, in defiance of a myth advanced by the Palestinian Authority, Palestine has not been Arab/Moslem from time immemorial.

In fact, since the Greek Empire era (5th century BCE), the term Palestine (Palaistine) referred to the Land of Israel, directly linked to the People of Israel.

(full article online)

Palestinian false claim of continuity

contrary to Palestinian claims and myths, Palestine has not been Arab from time immemorial

en.mida.org.il

 

[Mindful]

It was Arab/Muslim invaders who came to the Land of Israel as an ascendant imperialist force in the decade after the Prophet Muhammad’s death and laid the groundwork for the colonization of this land by a long string of Muslim empires up to the fall of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI. During this lengthy era, the non-Jewish and non-Christian residents of the land identified themselves as Muslims—not as Arabs, and certainly not as Palestinians—until WWI, when the idea of Arab nationalism gathered steam with the help of British imperialism.

One need only look at common family names among the Palestinians to see their colonialist origins: Hijazi, from the Hijaz in the Arabian Peninsula, from which the original invaders came; Bosniak, from Bosnia; Turk, from Turkey; Halabi, from Syria; Hindi, from India; Yemeni, from Yemen; Masarwa/Masri, from Egypt; Mughrabi, from the Maghreb, and so on.

The northern Samarian mountains are strewn with thousands of relics of winepresses and of terraces that served as vineyards for the Jewish and Samaritan residents of the region. As the Muslim population took over, the wine industry collapsed and was replaced by olive and carob cultivation.

The land speaks Hebrew. The names of the communities have a linguistic meaning in Hebrew: Jaffa = yafeh (beautiful), Haifa = hofa shel ihr (shore of a city), Shikmona = shkamim (sycamores), Nazareth = notzeret/shomeret(guardian), Beit Guvrin = ihr hag’varim/hat’kifim (city of the strong), and so on. When the Arabs conquered these places, they pronounced the names in their own way, distorting them and changing their meaning: thus Shfaram (meaning “a people whose luck has improved”) became Shfa’amr, Ganim became Jenin, Bitra became Barta’a, Ashdod became Isdud, Tur Karem (meaning “mountain of the vineyards”) became Tulkarem, and Jordan became Urdan—names with no linguistic meaning in Arabic.

The History of the Land Is Jewish, Not Palestinian

The claim by the elected representatives of the Israeli Arab public that they are the original owners of the land while the Jewish citizens of Israel (and, by implication, the State of Israel itself)

besacenter.org

 

[Mindful]

Ancient synagogue in Gamla in the Golan Heights, built during the Second Temple period in the first century CE, (photo via Wikimedia Commons.)

 

[Lee Edwin]

First century Jewish city in Israel and synagogue, including menorah and depiction of Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, believed to be where Jesus preached...

 

[danielpalos]

...anyone born in historic Palestine?

 

[Lee Edwin]

...anyone born in historic Palestine?

No such place.

 

[danielpalos]

...anyone born in historic Palestine?

No such place.

Why do you believe that?

 

[Lee Edwin]

...anyone born in historic Palestine?

No such place.

Why do you believe that?

Palestine is a generic European name, not Middle Eastern.

 

[danielpalos]

...anyone born in historic Palestine?

No such place.

Why do you believe that?

Palestine is a generic European name, not Middle Eastern.

And, how is that relevant in modern post Palestinian Mandate times?

 

[Lee Edwin]

...anyone born in historic Palestine?

No such place.

Why do you believe that?

Palestine is a generic European name, not Middle Eastern.

And, how is that relevant in modern post Palestinian Mandate times?

There never was a historic entity palestine.

 

[danielpalos]

...anyone born in historic Palestine?

No such place.

Why do you believe that?

Palestine is a generic European name, not Middle Eastern.

And, how is that relevant in modern post Palestinian Mandate times?

There never was a historic entity palestine.

Maybe not in right wing fantasy, but the more objective world, there is and was.

 

[Lee Edwin]

...anyone born in historic Palestine?

No such place.

Why do you believe that?

Palestine is a generic European name, not Middle Eastern.

And, how is that relevant in modern post Palestinian Mandate times?

There never was a historic entity palestine.

Maybe not in right wing fantasy, but the more objective world, there is and was.

Arabs “historically” viewed the whole country as Syria, Sham in Arabic. For them, there was no such thing as a country palestine. Arabs adopting the name palestine, from the British, is recent, although they mispronounce it as falestine.

 

[danielpalos]

...anyone born in historic Palestine?

No such place.

Why do you believe that?

Palestine is a generic European name, not Middle Eastern.

And, how is that relevant in modern post Palestinian Mandate times?

There never was a historic entity palestine.

Maybe not in right wing fantasy, but the more objective world, there is and was.

Arabs “historically” viewed the whole country as Syria, Sham in Arabic. For them, there was no such thing as a country palestine. Arabs adopting the name palestine, from the British, is recent, although they mispronounce it as falestine.

Historic Palestine is the region in that area.

 

[Lee Edwin]

...anyone born in historic Palestine?

No such place.

Why do you believe that?

Palestine is a generic European name, not Middle Eastern.

And, how is that relevant in modern post Palestinian Mandate times?

There never was a historic entity palestine.

Maybe not in right wing fantasy, but the more objective world, there is and was.

Arabs “historically” viewed the whole country as Syria, Sham in Arabic. For them, there was no such thing as a country palestine. Arabs adopting the name palestine, from the British, is recent, although they mispronounce it as falestine.

Historic Palestine is the region in that area.

There never has been an entity palestine founded by Middle Eastern people, or even named by Middle Eastern people. It’s a fictional European name.

 

[P F Tinmore]

...anyone born in historic Palestine?

No such place.

Why do you believe that?

Palestine is a generic European name, not Middle Eastern.

And, how is that relevant in modern post Palestinian Mandate times?

There never was a historic entity palestine.

Maybe not in right wing fantasy, but the more objective world, there is and was.

Arabs “historically” viewed the whole country as Syria, Sham in Arabic. For them, there was no such thing as a country palestine. Arabs adopting the name palestine, from the British, is recent, although they mispronounce it as falestine.

Historic Palestine is the region in that area.

There never has been an entity palestine founded by Middle Eastern people, or even named by Middle Eastern people. It’s a fictional European name.

A name doesn't mean anything.

Does US history start before 1776 when there was no US?

 

[danielpalos]

...anyone born in historic Palestine?

No such place.

Why do you believe that?

Palestine is a generic European name, not Middle Eastern.

And, how is that relevant in modern post Palestinian Mandate times?

There never was a historic entity palestine.

Maybe not in right wing fantasy, but the more objective world, there is and was.

Arabs “historically” viewed the whole country as Syria, Sham in Arabic. For them, there was no such thing as a country palestine. Arabs adopting the name palestine, from the British, is recent, although they mispronounce it as falestine.

Historic Palestine is the region in that area.

There never has been an entity palestine founded by Middle Eastern people, or even named by Middle Eastern people. It’s a fictional European name.

The Romans administered the region as a public office.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The discussion is as to WHO is Indigenous to the area of Ancient Canaan/Israel/Judea/Palestine. Which people, culture have had a defined history shared with any and all who passed by that area.

Do Arabs have a history shared by all who passed by that area going back 2 to 3,000 years or more in that area? Or does the Arab, and then Palestinian history begin in the 7th century AC?

Or do Jews have their history shared with other peoples who passed the area for at least 3000 years or more?

Was the area known as Historical Israel, Judea, before it the area was changed by the Romans to Syria Palestine in the 1st Century or not?

Were both people, Jewish and Arab, cultures dealing with each other 2000 to 3000 years ago? Or when did their involvement with each other start, and after which century?

Please, do not confuse Indigenous with being born at a certain place AFTER one had moved there. Only the First Nations of the Americas are the Indigenous people of the places where they settled and stayed and were found by the Europeans who only came after 1492.