The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[rylah]

Even the PLO knows the Jews are indigenous to Israel​

To deal with the inconvenient historical fact that Jews are the indigenous population of Israel, the drafters of the PLO charter created an arbitrary dividing line to determine who would be considered a Palestinian. First, the PLO charter deems any Arab who had lived in the entirety of what is now modern Israel prior to the re-establishment of the Jewish homeland to automatically be Palestinian, without regard to whether they were residents in the land. Further, the PLO charter deemed any Arab (but not Jews) born after 1947 to a Palestinian father to be a Palestinian.

Jews, on the other hand, were excised from their own national identity under the PLO charter. Only Jews who had resided in what is now modern Israel prior to “the Zionist invasion” would be considered Palestinian. And what did the PLO even mean when they called it “the Zionist invasion,” 1948 or the 1800s? The latter, of course.

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Even the PLO knows the Jews are indigenous to Israel - Opinion

PLO knew they could not erase history, so they chose instead to rewrite history.

www.jpost.com

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[rylah]

Can you separate Zionism and Judaism? | J-TV​

Historian and Rabbi Ken Spiro talks to Ollie about the question of whether Judaism and Zionism can exist independently or are inherently interlinked.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israelis Are Not 'Indigenous' (and other ridiculous pro-Israel arguments)​

 

[Sixties Fan]

As a historian and geographer, Herodotus was very familiar with the inhabitants of the Land of Israel, and their stories and history. And a key story is that of the Patriarch Jacob wrestling a man/angel all night, before encountering his brother Esau. Jacob emerged from that wrestling match victorious, and the man/angel gave Jacob a new name – Yisrael (Israel) – “because you strove with G-d and man and prevailed”, and he blessed Jacob/Israel (Genesis 32:25 – 30). Yisrael/Israel means the one who wrestled/strove with G-d.

That wrestling match and subsequent new name were so pivotal that they redefined Jewish identity forever. From then on, the Jacob’s descendants would be known as Bnei Yisrael -- the Children of Israel; and the promised land became known as Eretz Yisrael – the Land of Israel.

(Even today, as we merit to see the ongoing ingathering of the Jewish exiles as promised by G-d, the name chosen for the new Jewish state is Medinat Yisrael - the State of Israel.)

The importance and meaning of that biblical event was not lost on Herodotus, and is the key to his coining the name now devolved to “Palestine”:

The Greek word for wrestler is Palaistis, and Herodotus called Eretz Yisrael “Palaistine” – the Land of the Wrestler (Jacob/Yisrael/Israel). Palaistine is simply a Greek translation of the Hebrew name “Eretz Yisrael”, the Land of Israel.

It is time to set the record straight and jettison the false linkage between Palestine and the Philistine invaders. Palestine is an ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew name Eretz Yisrael. It actually constitutes an ancient acknowledgement that the Land of Israel belonged to its Jewish inhabitants; that it never contained an ancient so-called “Palestinian” people. The so-called 'Palestinians' of today are merely Arab invaders who came not so long ago.

And, ironically, every time the anti-Israel world uses the term “Palestine” they are unwittingly confirming the connection of the Jews to the Land of the Wrestler, to the Land of Israel.

(full article online)

From the River to the Sea, Palestine is already free

‘Palestine’ derives from ‘Israel’, and has nothinng to do with the word ‘Philistine.’ Debunking a myth. Op-ed.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

A new exhibit at the Wiener Library for the Study of the Nazi Era and the Holocaust at Tel Aviv University features the Nazi-era children’s board game Juden Raus!, or “Jews out!”

The exhibit comes on the eve of International Holocaust Remembrance Day.

“The game should be seen in the overall context of study materials in Nazi schools and preschools, such as a special edition of the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ for children, or children’s books like the notorious ‘Poisonous Mushroom’ that made children afraid of Jews,” said researchers.

Made in Germany by Guenther and Co. at the end of 1938, it likely followed the events of Kristallnacht, or “Night of Broken Glass,” they added.

Professor (emeritus) José Brunner, academic director and chairman of the Scientific Committee of the Wiener Library, said that the board game resembles another one which was popular in Germany at the time, but with an evil twist. Players are tasked with quickly collecting six “Jew hats” from Jewish residential and commercial areas in the city and bringing them to a roundup spot. The first player to do so wins the game.

One of the captions on the board reads: “Go to Palestine!” (Auf nach Palästina!).

” ‘Jews Out!’ is clearly the outcome of years of blatant incitement and antisemitism which prevailed in German society in the 1930’s—so much so that someone got the idea that driving out the Jews was a suitable theme for a children’s game,” said Brunner.

Ironically, the Nazi establishment disliked the game because it treated systematic hard work as a game of chance.

“They regarded cleansing Germany of its Jews as a methodical, thoroughly considered policy,” added Brunner.

Nor was the game well-received by the German public, and sales were low.

‘Go to Palestine,’ Demanded Nazis’ ‘Jews Out!’ Board Game | United with Israel

Made in Germany by Guenther and Co. at the end of 1938, it likely followed the events of Kristallnacht, or 'Night of Broken Glass,' say researchers.

unitedwithisrael.org

 

[MartyNYC]

Historian Alan Dowty: “Jews have one of the longest histories, if not the longest, as a distinct people with a continuous identity expressed in language, culture, genealogy, religion. The Hebrews or Israelites survived when others—Canaanites, Jebusites, Philistines, Hittites, Babylonians vanished.”

 

[P F Tinmore]

Historian Alan Dowty: “Jews have one of the longest histories, if not the longest, as a distinct people with a continuous identity expressed in language, culture, genealogy, religion. The Hebrews or Israelites survived when others—Canaanites, Jebusites, Philistines, Hittites, Babylonians vanished.”

Canaanites, Jebusites, Philistines, Hittites, Babylonians vanished.

Same people, different names. Now some Palestinians are called Israeli. Same people.

 

[MartyNYC]

Same people, different names. Now some Palestinians are called Israeli. Same people.

Rashid Khalidi: Palestinians are a recent creation with no ancient past…

 

[Sixties Fan]

Just where on earth was 'Palestine'?

Exposing the media myth: Palestine - a land of authentic 'splendour' filled with indigenous Palestinians. Or was it? Have a read inside.

david-collier.com

 

[MartyNYC]

 

[MartyNYC]

Israelis Are Not 'Indigenous' (and other ridiculous pro-Israel arguments)​

Who are the colonists? Arafat was Egyptian.

 

[MartyNYC]

Israelis Are Not 'Indigenous' (and other ridiculous pro-Israel arguments)​

Even your Quran acknowledges the ancient heritage of the Jews…

 

[MartyNYC]

Same people, different names. Now some Palestinians are called Israeli. Same people.

Different people, birdbrain…

 

[Sixties Fan]

It appears that the Palestinian prime minister's family originated in Egypt - like many other Palestinians​

I looked up the history of the Shtayyeh family.

There wasn't as much online as there is from other famous Palestinian families who proudly trace their histories to companions of Mohammed in Arabia.

But about ten years ago, one member of the family seemed to go through social media to see all the the Shtayyehs he could find, and he made a slide show showing dozens of them and a very short bio on each.

While a few live now in Nablus, where Mohammed Shtayyeh was born, the home town of most of them is Damietta, Egypt.

And the Egyptian origin of the family seems likely. A monograph by the JCPA reminds us that Hamas leader Fathi Hammad once said:

Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Damietta, from the north, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians; we are Arabs. We are Muslims. We are part of you [in mainland Egypt]. Egyptians! Personally, half my family is Egyptian – and the other half are Saudis.

The paper goes on to say that it is well known that Egyptians settled in major cities in Palestine in the 19th century, including Nablus. One of their footnotes says that an Israeli researcher checked the Nablus phone book in 1980 and found 70 entries for the name "al-Masri," "The Egyptian," alone.

This Arabic article on Arab family name origins freely admits that a great number of Palestinian families immigrated from elsewhere. The head of the Palestinian History and Documentation Center, Khaled Al-Khalidi, notes that original Palestinian family names came from well known Gulf Arab tribes, like Al-Ayyubi, Al-Ansari, Al-Hashemi, and Al-Qurashi. Later families took on named from where they came from, so that's why so many Palestinian families are named after Syrian, Arabian or Egyptian areas (al-Hijazi, al-Halabi [Aleppo], and al-Dimashqi [Damascus], al-Suisi, al-Gharbawi, al-Sharqawi, and al-Araishi.)

This Palestinian expert freely admits that "the Palestinian people are part of the Arabian Peninsula, and at that time there was free movement, and there were no borders between Arab areas."

To the West, Palestinians claim to be indigenous to the area. In Arabic, they know the truth that many if not most originated elsewhere - and they are proud of it.

It appears that the Palestinian prime minister's family originated in Egypt - like many other Palestinians

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Thread Closed: Started in 2015. Time to start anew.