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The discussion is not about physical, genetic or blood descent of individuals. The discussion is about a collective over-taking of the indigenous population (the Jewish people) and replacing that culture with another culture(s). Thus EVERY SINGLE Arab Muslim by DEFINITION is "descended" from the Arabs who originated in other places and over-took the local, native, indigenous population. Why? Because the ARAB CULTURE was imported and, by one method or another, imposed on the local, native, indigenous culture (the Jewish culture). And we can test this by examining and comparing the Arab Muslim cultures to other Arab Muslim cultures and contrasting it to local, native, indigenous Hebrew, Jewish, Israeli cultures.If I were to believe your claims, it would be believing that every single non-Jewish Palestinian descended from Arabs in the Arabian peninsula, and that is simply not true.
Let's take a look at that. Which peoples existed in that area? How many peoples? Can you name them? What names would you assign to them? How do you differentiate this peoples from that peoples? How do you assign 'history' to this peoples or that peoples? What criteria are you using to determine any of these things?It ignores the ancient history of the place and existence of many peoples in that area
And I'm going to add another piece to the pie. What is the POINT in trying to acknowledge indigenous cultures? What is the reason why we are trying to do it, as a global community?And an excellent point it is. Do we need to go back to the cave man? Even they would be from someplace else. People have been on the move since the beginning of time. Every "people" evolve and new people and new ideas are a part of that evolution.And I'm going to add another piece to the pie. What is the POINT in trying to acknowledge indigenous cultures? What is the reason why we are trying to do it, as a global community?
Look across America with all its different colors, languages, and religions. Can you point out someone who does not belong here? Of course not. Everyone is American.
Everyone living in, or expelled from, Palestine is Palestinian.
Look across America with all its different colors, languages, and religions. Can you point out someone who does not belong here? Of course not. Everyone is American.
Everyone living in, or expelled from, Palestine is Palestinian.
This is an argument against any sort of indigeneity. This argument claims that there is no such thing as foreign settlers on any land.
Yet you frequently argue that Jews are "foreign settlers". You can't have it both ways. So which part of your argument did you want to withdraw?
My guess, since this has come up before, is that you will continue to assert that no peoples are foreign settlers, well, except Jews. Which confirms Sixties point that the Jewish people are UNIQUELY set apart.
Arafat, father of ”palestinian” nationalism, was “indigenous” to Egypt, where he was born and educated.
Well then, according to your logic - Jews who were born in Germany are "indigenous" to Germany where they were born and educated. Do you see where this argument goes?
You actually think Jewish nationalism started in Germany?
That isn't what I said. Go back and reread it. I could have easily used Russia, Poland, France, England, America.