The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
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What does that have to do with an artichoke??
Jerusalem is indeed a Hebrew name, theres no meaning for that word in Arabic.
No it is not hebru it is Greek word. And if Arab and Christian called it Holly Land then whats wrong with that.
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Is this why Your quote mentions several meanings of the name in Hebrew,
and not a single meaning of the name in Greek?
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Is this why Your quote mentions several meanings of the name in Hebrew,
and not a single meaning of the name in Greek?
He probably doesn't know what you're talking about because he can't speak Hebrew. "Foundation of peace", the meaning of the name, comes from Hebrew. The Greek form of the name was adapted from Hebrew and it doesn't have any meaning in the Greek language.
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Is this why Your quote mentions several meanings of the name in Hebrew,
and not a single meaning of the name in Greek?
He probably doesn't know what you're talking about because he can't speak Hebrew. "Foundation of peace", the meaning of the name, comes from Hebrew. The Greek form of the name was adapted from Hebrew and it doesn't have any meaning in the Greek language.
Jerusalem, Cna'an and Palestine are simply names in Hebrew, no real meaning in Greek.
I'm still waiting for his explanation regarding the "Artichoke"
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Is this why Your quote mentions several meanings of the name in Hebrew,
and not a single meaning of the name in Greek?
ancient Palestine, from Greek Hierousalem.
And Jew copy it but Muslim and Christian called it Holly Land.
1).One of the oldest cities in the world Jerusalem name came from Greek Word Hierousalem.
Is this why Your quote mentions several meanings of the name in Hebrew,
and not a single meaning of the name in Greek?
He probably doesn't know what you're talking about because he can't speak Hebrew. "Foundation of peace", the meaning of the name, comes from Hebrew. The Greek form of the name was adapted from Hebrew and it doesn't have any meaning in the Greek language.
Is this why Your quote mentions several meanings of the name in Hebrew,
and not a single meaning of the name in Greek?
He probably doesn't know what you're talking about because he can't speak Hebrew. "Foundation of peace", the meaning of the name, comes from Hebrew. The Greek form of the name was adapted from Hebrew and it doesn't have any meaning in the Greek language.
Jerusalem, Cna'an and Palestine are simply names in Hebrew, no real meaning in Greek.
I'm still waiting for his explanation regarding the "Artichoke"
Search Net and correct yours nonsense; "Jerusalem nomes comes from Greek Hierousalem"
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The Midrash says there are 70 names of Jerusalem – and that's in Jewish sources alone. The vagaries of Jerusalem history have added a few more along the way. Yet for a city whose roots go back over 5,000 years, some names have remained remarkably consistent.
Here are just a few of the names of Jerusalem:
Variations of the name Yerushalayim appear in the archaeological record as well:
The first archaeological find of the name Yerushalayim written in Hebrew was discovered near the town of Lachish in a burial cave dating from the 6th century BCE.
The Greeks called it Hierosolyma. This was more than a simple transliteration of the Hebrew name, hiero means holy.
During Roman times, the city was renamed Aelia Capitolina. Fortunately, Jerusalem was eventually rid of the Roman occupation and reverted to its real name of Yerushalayim.
Names of Jerusalem
Here are just a few of the names of Jerusalem:
- Salem/Shalem (Gen 14:18) – in Genesis, Shalem was the city ruled by Melchizedek in the days of Abraham.
- Moriah (Gen 22:2) – the name of the Temple Mount, it is also the place where Abraham bound his son Isaac.
- Jebus (Judges 19:10) – the name of a fortress atop the Temple Mount that surrounded a large threshing floor in the days of King David. King David conquered the area from the Jebusites and bought the threshing floor from its owner as the site of the future Temple.
- Yerushalayim – is the most common name of the city in the Bible and the one still used by Jews and Israelis today. The Midrash says the word derives from yireh (see), from the name Abraham used for it – G-d sees – and salem, which means whole, or peace, and was the name of Mechizedek’s city.
Variations of the name Yerushalayim appear in the archaeological record as well:
- Rushalimum - Egyptian documents mention the city by this name around 2000-1800 BCE.
- Urusalim – is the name given to Jerusalem in the Egyptian Amarna letters, which date back to between 1388-1332 BCE.
- Ursalimmu – is how Sennacherib referred to the city in his letters concerning King Hezekiah in 701 BCE.
The first archaeological find of the name Yerushalayim written in Hebrew was discovered near the town of Lachish in a burial cave dating from the 6th century BCE.
The Greeks called it Hierosolyma. This was more than a simple transliteration of the Hebrew name, hiero means holy.
During Roman times, the city was renamed Aelia Capitolina. Fortunately, Jerusalem was eventually rid of the Roman occupation and reverted to its real name of Yerushalayim.
Names of Jerusalem
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Is this why Your quote mentions several meanings of the name in Hebrew,
and not a single meaning of the name in Greek?
He probably doesn't know what you're talking about because he can't speak Hebrew. "Foundation of peace", the meaning of the name, comes from Hebrew. The Greek form of the name was adapted from Hebrew and it doesn't have any meaning in the Greek language.
Jerusalem, Cna'an and Palestine are simply names in Hebrew, no real meaning in Greek.
I'm still waiting for his explanation regarding the "Artichoke"
Search Net and correct yours nonsense; "Jerusalem nomes comes from Greek Hierousalem"
They say, "You can't fix stupid." The Greek version is simply a transliteration (if you know what that means) of the Hebrew name of the city. The Hebrew word Shalem means Complete, because Jerusalem is complete and holy. It is also a derivation of Shalom, the Hebrew word for Peace. Abraham called the city Yireh, meaning that Gd "Sees" or looks at that city. King Melchizedek of the city (whom some identify as Shem, son of Noah) called it Shalem (the meanings of which I explained earlier). Jerusalem (or Yerushalayim in Hebrew) is a combination of those 2 names for the city.
Is this why Your quote mentions several meanings of the name in Hebrew,
and not a single meaning of the name in Greek?
He probably doesn't know what you're talking about because he can't speak Hebrew. "Foundation of peace", the meaning of the name, comes from Hebrew. The Greek form of the name was adapted from Hebrew and it doesn't have any meaning in the Greek language.
Jerusalem, Cna'an and Palestine are simply names in Hebrew, no real meaning in Greek.
I'm still waiting for his explanation regarding the "Artichoke"
Search Net and correct yours nonsense; "Jerusalem nomes comes from Greek Hierousalem"
They say, "You can't fix stupid." The Greek version is simply a transliteration (if you know what that means) of the Hebrew name of the city. The Hebrew word Shalem means Complete, because Jerusalem is complete and holy. It is also a derivation of Shalom, the Hebrew word for Peace. Abraham called the city Yireh, meaning that Gd "Sees" or looks at that city. King Melchizedek of the city (whom some identify as Shem, son of Noah) called it Shalem (the meanings of which I explained earlier). Jerusalem (or Yerushalayim in Hebrew) is a combination of those 2 names for the city.
Well then its means you are not fixable..... Are you?
Second why you are looking at those things like this name is not from here and that name is not from there because it is made you felt better. While it is wrong you are telling to master that they are wrong and you are right.
If these expert are sharing there views on internet that "Jerusalem name comes from Greek Hierousalem" its mot means they are fool., it means you are idiot who telling to others by manipulating these ancient names.
Greek language/Wikipedia.
"Greek has been spoken in the Balkan peninsula since around the 3rd millennium BC,[8] or possibly earlier."
While jew enter in the holly land 2 millennium BC only for few decade and then left for Cairo,Egypt.
Why are you thinking that I will believe idiot like you who is full of lies.
Not only Greek was in Holly Land before Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic was there too, now Arabic is new form of Aramaic.
Means eurushalem, Hierousalem, Jerusalem all these pronunciation carrying word pronounce "Salem, Salam, Shalam came from Arabic/Aramaic connection and sound like Hebrew enriched itself from these languages after moving into holly land.
Aramaic "The Aramaic alphabet was widely adopted for other languages and is ancestral to the Hebrew, Syriac and Arabic alphabets. During its approximately 3,100 years of written history,[3] Aramaic has served variously as a language of administration of empires, as a language of divine worship and religious study, and as the spoken tongue of a number of Semitic peoples from the Near East ."
Stop your nonsense and accept the fact that Jew are not indigenous to Holly Land and they are invader or Transit-er or visitor or vagrant.
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RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
⁜→ Rehmani, et al,
No matter what you believe, or understand, or even can prove, there comes a point in time when the predominately immigrant populations transitions to the indigenous population.
At one point, the Europeans were the immigrants to North America. It was a time when the various North American Indian tribal populations were indigenous.
Now, while the North American Indian tribal populations are still considered indigenous, most of those tribal populations have been relocated, and certainly, a vast majority of the territories have been assumed by the Europeans (now North Americans) and now the Canadians and Americans are considered indigenous to any outside invaders.
See: Who are indigenous peoples?
UN Factsheet
◈ Considering the diversity of indigenous peoples, an official definition of “indigenous” has not been adopted by any UN-system body.
This entire discussion about who is indigenous is a "Red Herring" and irrelevant to the current status of the Israelis and Arab Palestinians. The Question of Palestine has been overtaken by events. The Arab Palestinians have to live with the consequences of their political, military and diplomatic efforts → taken directly or by external parties on their behalf.
But the Israelis as a people or culture were invited to establish a Jewish National Home. Whatever view the Arab Palestinians may hold, the agreed upon settlement process is the outcome of a series of actions and steps taken in order to achieve that goal.
Most Respectfully,
R
⁜→ Rehmani, et al,
No matter what you believe, or understand, or even can prove, there comes a point in time when the predominately immigrant populations transitions to the indigenous population.
At one point, the Europeans were the immigrants to North America. It was a time when the various North American Indian tribal populations were indigenous.
Now, while the North American Indian tribal populations are still considered indigenous, most of those tribal populations have been relocated, and certainly, a vast majority of the territories have been assumed by the Europeans (now North Americans) and now the Canadians and Americans are considered indigenous to any outside invaders.
See: Who are indigenous peoples?
UN Factsheet
◈ Considering the diversity of indigenous peoples, an official definition of “indigenous” has not been adopted by any UN-system body.
(COMMENT)
This entire discussion about who is indigenous is a "Red Herring" and irrelevant to the current status of the Israelis and Arab Palestinians. The Question of Palestine has been overtaken by events. The Arab Palestinians have to live with the consequences of their political, military and diplomatic efforts → taken directly or by external parties on their behalf.
But the Israelis as a people or culture were invited to establish a Jewish National Home. Whatever view the Arab Palestinians may hold, the agreed upon settlement process is the outcome of a series of actions and steps taken in order to achieve that goal.
Most Respectfully,
R
P F Tinmore
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Indeed, like expulsion, theft, and death. All violations of the Palestinian's natural rights.
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Is this why Your quote mentions several meanings of the name in Hebrew,
and not a single meaning of the name in Greek?
He probably doesn't know what you're talking about because he can't speak Hebrew. "Foundation of peace", the meaning of the name, comes from Hebrew. The Greek form of the name was adapted from Hebrew and it doesn't have any meaning in the Greek language.
Jerusalem, Cna'an and Palestine are simply names in Hebrew, no real meaning in Greek.
I'm still waiting for his explanation regarding the "Artichoke"
Search Net and correct yours nonsense; "Jerusalem nomes comes from Greek Hierousalem"
They say, "You can't fix stupid." The Greek version is simply a transliteration (if you know what that means) of the Hebrew name of the city. The Hebrew word Shalem means Complete, because Jerusalem is complete and holy. It is also a derivation of Shalom, the Hebrew word for Peace. Abraham called the city Yireh, meaning that Gd "Sees" or looks at that city. King Melchizedek of the city (whom some identify as Shem, son of Noah) called it Shalem (the meanings of which I explained earlier). Jerusalem (or Yerushalayim in Hebrew) is a combination of those 2 names for the city.
Well then its means you are not fixable..... Are you?
Second why you are looking at those things like this name is not from here and that name is not from there because it is made you felt better. While it is wrong you are telling to master that they are wrong and you are right.
If these expert are sharing there views on internet that "Jerusalem name comes from Greek Hierousalem" its mot means they are fool., it means you are idiot who telling to others by manipulating these ancient names.
Greek language/Wikipedia.
"Greek has been spoken in the Balkan peninsula since around the 3rd millennium BC,[8] or possibly earlier."
While jew enter in the holly land 2 millennium BC only for few decade and then left for Cairo,Egypt.
Why are you thinking that I will believe idiot like you who is full of lies.
Not only Greek was in Holly Land before Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic was there too, now Arabic is new form of Aramaic.
Means eurushalem, Hierousalem, Jerusalem all these pronunciation carrying word pronounce "Salem, Salam, Shalam came from Arabic/Aramaic connection and sound like Hebrew enriched itself from these languages after moving into holly land.
Aramaic "The Aramaic alphabet was widely adopted for other languages and is ancestral to the Hebrew, Syriac and Arabic alphabets. During its approximately 3,100 years of written history,[3] Aramaic has served variously as a language of administration of empires, as a language of divine worship and religious study, and as the spoken tongue of a number of Semitic peoples from the Near East ."
Stop your nonsense and accept the fact that Jew are not indigenous to Holly Land and they are invader or Transit-er or visitor or vagrant.
Jews are the indigenous people of the Holy Land...in fact it's thanks to us that it's even called the Holy Land. The only one who is a transit-er or invader or vagrant is YOU, who have stolen a huge chunk of India from the indigenous Hindus.
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Sorry Rocco, but your definition of Indigenous people would be fought very strongly by each and every actual indigenous people all over the world.
The UN's lack of definition of the world means absolutely nothing.
The Arab intent in applying that word to themselves in Ancient Canaan and make themselves the ancient people calling themselves Palestinians is as clear as the clearest water anywhere in the world.
The Arabs are the only ethnicity in the world demanding indigenous status over a land they failed to make remain in Muslim hands.
They are SO indigenous, they do not think twice before destroying anything and everything they find which has nothing to do with the Arab Muslim invasion.
They do not bother to say.....this was us.
They simply destroy and destroy.
That is not what any indigenous people in the world would ever do.
That is not what the Muslims were doing before WWI either.
Not even the Europeans have had the disrespect of doing that against all other indigenous people in the past 500 years.
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Cool obfuscation.
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Oh Rocco, you know I love you and agree with, like, 95% of your posts, but you are just wrong here.
While claims to territory and sovereignty over territory can shift and be "overtaken by events" no invading, colonizing, conquest culture EVER, EVER, EVER becomes indigenous.
The entire point of the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, with its working definition of "indigenous peoples", is to provide protection to non-dominant, pre-existing peoples, to preserve their cultures, their sacred places and their way of life in their homeland and to enshrine, in law, these as inherent rights, along with the right of self-determination. This unique set of rights NEVER applies to invading, colonizing, people because their culture, by definition, is not at risk.
And the Jewish people, while being the only indigenous people in the world thus far to fully recover and reconstitute sovereignty in their homeland (though some Canadian and American First Nations are close), are still the non-dominant culture in their region, including some of their historical homeland. They are surrounded by a culture which absolutely dominates the region through hundreds of years of invasion, conquest and colonization and Empire-building. The Jewish people are still in need of the protection which is a right of all indigenous peoples.
And far from being a "red herring" and irrelevant, this concept is the very foundation of the conflict. The Arab Palestinians are deliberately twisting the concept of indigeneity in order to intentionally deny the Jewish people their rights to protection of their culture and sacred places and way of life. They deliberately invert their culture and the indigenous Jewish culture, calling the Jewish people invaders and occupiers, in order to deny the Jewish people their inherent rights. (Just as they have twisted other laws and apply them differently to Israel and the Jewish people.)
Rocco, don't be fooled.
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