The NPV may be closer than you think

[WorldWatcher]

It will be found unconstitutional since it negates the votes of people in the several states.

Is didn’t negate anyone’s vote.

Do winner take all states negate the vote of House districts that the loser wins but which don’t get an EC vote in Congress or it it “well that’s different”?

WW

 

[Billiejeens]

It will be confiscated by the next Democratic administration.

what will be?

 

[Billiejeens]

There sure is.

I wish that there was a strong alt right, it the country to offset the lunatic leftists
there is not.

 

[g5000]

Where in that post does it say it is a democracy? Please link to ANY founder that called this form of gov't a democracy. Heed the words---"A REPUBLIC---if you can keep it." Clearly you have no desire to keep it as you advocate for a Marxist state continuously.

I would like to know where this seriously ignorant meme that we are not a democracy began.

You parrot a single expression which someone told you and think that's the end of it.

Jesus H. Christ.

You ever hear the expression "Making the world safe for democracy"? You ever hear the United States called "The Arsenal of Democracy"?




Any Founder, you ask?

How about Alexander Hamilton?

Letter to Gouverneur Morris (1777) | Constitution Center

National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Letter to Gouverneur Morris (1777)

constitutioncenter.org

But a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY, where the right of election is well secured and regulated & the exercise of the legislative, executive, and judiciary authorities is vested in select Persons chosen really and not nominally by the people, will in my opinion be most likely to be happy, regular, and durable.


Here are Alexander Hamilton's notes on the ratification of the Constitution:

Founders Online: New York Ratifying Convention. Notes for Speech of July 12, [1 …​

New York Ratifying Convention. Notes for Speech of July 12, [12 July 1788]

I. A republic a word used in various senses.
Has been applied to aristocracies and monarchies.
1. To Rome under the Kings.
2. To Sparta though a Senate for life.
3. To Carthage though the same.
4. To United Netherlands, though Stadholder, Hereditary nobles:
5. To Poland though aristocracy and monarchy
6. To Great Britain though Monarchy &c

II. Again great confusion about the words. Democracy, Aristocracy, Monarch.

I. Democracy defined by some Rousseau &c A government exercised by the collective body of the People 2 Delegation of their power has been made the criterion of Aristocracy II. Aristocracy has been used to designate governments. 1. Where an independent few possessed sovereignty. 2. Where the representatives of the people possessed it. III. Monarchy, where sovereignty in the hands of a single man ☞ General idea—Independent in his situation. in any other sense would apply to State of New York

III. Democracy in my sense, where the whole power of the government in the people
I. Whether exercised by themselves, or 2. By their representatives chosen by them either mediately or immediately and legally accountable to them.

.	Aristocracy where whole sovereignty is permanently in the hands of a few for life or hereditary
V.	Monarchy where the whole sovereignty is in the hands of one man for life or hereditary.
VI.	Mixed government when these three principles unite.
B.	Consequence, the proposed government a representative democracy.	I.

As you can plainly see, Hamilton outlined the different kinds of Republics. Monarchical, Aristocratic, and Democratic.

The US was choosing the Representative Democratic model.
Now here are some non-Founders who referred to us as a Democracy:
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

Read Trump's Jan. 6 Speech​

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We're gathered together in the heart of our nation's capital for one very, very basic and simple reason: To save our democracy.

[snip]

Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down.

[snip]

for the sake of our democracy, for the sake of our Constitution, and for the sake of our children, we lay out the case for the entire world to hear.

[snip]

It's all part of the comprehensive assault on our democracy, and the American people are finally standing up and saying no.




Democracy's Next Battle by Ronald Reagan.

"The only cure for what ails democracy is - more democracy."

 

[Clipper]

Once again, for the tone deaf, the ballroom is being built with donor dollars--the secure bunker under it will be funded by tax $$$. LOL, if you had your way, security would be duck and cover like they did for the WHCA dinner. SMH, run along you're boring me with your willful ignorance.

Oh, it is? Funny how Trump never mention his security as a reason for the ballroom before the WHCA dinner. The W.H. is the most secure building in the country but now he needs a bunker?

Oh, btw. If Trump is so worried about his "security" why is his fat ass on a golf course every chance he gets, sucker?

 

[g5000]

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Is didn’t negate anyone’s vote.

Do winner take all states negate the vote of House districts that the loser wins but which don’t get an EC vote in Congress or it it “well that’s different”?

WW

a statewide vote is not the same as a district vote you moron. If the state has a statewide vote for president, they cannot negate the voter's choice if the majority voted otherwise.

 

[jacksonlamb]

I wish that there was a strong alt right, it the country to offset the lunatic leftists
there is not.

Too strong for what there is.

 

[g5000]

This whole thing is moot. The only states joining the compact are Democratic states which always vote for the Democratic candidate.

The only way the compact would change an election is if a state voted for the Republican candidate but gave their electoral votes to the Democrat who won the nationwide popular vote.

That will never happen, and if it did, the voters of that state would have a solid case of disenfranchisment in the courts.

 

[jacksonlamb]

This whole thing is moot. The only states joining the compact are Democratic states which always vote for the Democratic candidate.

The only way the compact would change an election is if a state voted for the Republican candidate but gave their electoral votes to the Democrat who won the nationwide popular vote.

That will never happen, and if it did, the voters of that state would have a solid case of disenfranchisment in the courts.

You sure "that will never happen...". And, no, the voters would have voted and then been overruled by the NPV.

No disenfranchisment.

 

[Concerned American]

Is didn’t negate anyone’s vote.

Do winner take all states negate the vote of House districts that the loser wins but which don’t get an EC vote in Congress or it it “well that’s different”?

WW

States don't control whether or not the EC is used. It is used in federal elections--and only then during the election of a potus, hence the states DON'T use it in theirs.

 

[WorldWatcher]

a statewide vote is not the same as a district vote you moron. If the state has a statewide vote for president, they cannot negate the voter's choice if the majority voted otherwise.

So you are fine with having voters not counted under winner take all by state.

But you are against having winner take all by the national vote.

Kinda hypocritical.

WW

 

[g5000]

Everyone of these states could go for it in the 2027 legislatures.

View attachment 1252699

You show Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire as target states by the Democrats to join the compact.

In 2016, Donald Trump lost the popular vote. Now pay attention.

Of those target states, Trump won the popular vote in Arizona, Wisconsin, and Michigan in 2016.

What do you suppose would have happened if, as part of this compact, those states gave their electoral votes to Hillary instead of Trump and flipped the election to her even though the voters of those states voted for Trump?

That is textbook disenfranchisement.

You think the January 6, 2021 insurrection was bad? Sheeeeeeeeee-it!

I'm going to blow Oddball 's mind and agree with him. The Supremes would throw this compact out so fast it would make your head spin.

 

[Concerned American]

Funny how Trump never mention his security as a reason for the ballroom before the WHCA dinner.

LOL, so you think Trump calls you whenever he makes a decision? Man, you need to just shut up. You're a fool.

The W.H. is the most secure building in the country but now he needs a bunker?

They've had secure bunkers for the potus offsite for decades, this one would put the decision makers in one local centralized place with state of the art security. Educate yourself.

 

[Anarchy666]

Do I even want to know what he posted?

 

[Concerned American]

Oh, btw. If Trump is so worried about his "security" why is his fat ass on a golf course every chance he gets, sucker?

Is the country continuously under attack, moron? Your pedo hero Biden spent time on Rehoboth beach every weekend---oh wait, it wouldn't have mattered with Pres. Autopen.

 

[Clipper]

LOL, so you think Trump calls you whenever he makes a decision? Man, you need to just shut up. You're a fool.

He runs his yap endlessly about everything else at pressers, you moron.

Twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to defend your King as affected your brain, you demoralized MAGA clown.

 

[WorldWatcher]

States don't control whether or not the EC is used. It is used in federal elections--and only then during the election of a potus, hence the states DON'T use it in theirs.

The state controls how EC votes are allocated.

48 states use winner take all.

2 states award by district.

States * * * DO * * * control how EC votersvotes are allocated. They could choose not to have a vote, the legislature can award directly. Hell the legislature could use round robin tiddly winks if the want.

Ww

 

[Anathema]

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-decades-long-plan-to-abolish-the-electoral-college-may-finally-pay-off/ar-AA22qrwV#comments

The National Popular Vote Act may be in position to jump the shark this fall.

Thanks forth warning. I’ll make sure to order more components for the reloading machine. I’m think I’m down to 16-18K rounds of assorted calibers.

 

[g5000]

The state controls how EC votes are allocated.

48 states use winner take all.

2 states award by district.

States * * * DO * * * control how EC votersvotes are allocated. They could choose not to have a vote, the legislature can award directly. Hell the legislature could use round robin tiddly winks if the want.

Ww

See post 113. I'm interested in your opinion.