The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Spartacactcus]

Interesting concept, justice. What would justice look like for the Jewish people?

From my POV justice is them having their own state and enjoying self determination. I didn't agree with the location nor what was required to erm free up that location ut you have to deal with what is in the now and be pragmatic about it.

So yep , self determination for the Jewish people in their own state is fine , we just now have to look at the other side and see how we might give them some justice eh ?

You do accept their is another people involved that also deserve justice, right ?

 

[Spartacactcus]

What I said is that the Jewish people, like all people, have the right to self-determination and self-government in the territory of their homeland.

So you think the same is true for the Palestinians ?

 

[Shusha]

What I said is that the Jewish people, like all people, have the right to self-determination and self-government in the territory of their homeland.

So you think the same is true for the Palestinians ?

Of course.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Hello fellow posters,

We seem to be straying away from the point of this thread.
It is turning into the thread which used to be available at the top about the two state solution.

I found this thread still available where post 1948 can be discussed. Let us all meet there:

Majority of Palestinians now oppose two-state solution, new poll finds

A clear majority of Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip oppose a two-state solution to end their struggle with Israel, according to a poll released on Wednesday. Sixty percent of those polled, including 55% in the West Bank and 68% in Gaza, reject permanently accepting Israel’s...

www.usmessageboard.com

As for self determination for the Arabs pre 1948, we can all discuss the 1937 and 1947 proposals for partition of what was left of the Mandate for Palestine after 78% was given to the Hashemites, and whether the Arab leaders were looking for what was the best for the Arab population or if they were looking for something else.

Were the Arab leaders looking for Justice for the Arabs who lived there at the time, or were they looking for something else altogether?

What happened in 1920, 1921, 1929, 1936 to 1939 and before Israel declared Independence?

How could the Arab leaders have helped the Arab population achieve self determination from 1920 on ?

Did the Arab leaders actions, since 1920, help or hinder the aspirations of two states, one Jewish and one Arab? Was there such an aspiration before May 1948?

 

[Hollie]

What I said is that the Jewish people, like all people, have the right to self-determination and self-government in the territory of their homeland.

So you think the same is true for the Palestinians ?

The same might be true for the Arabs-Moslems but there's no reason to believe the competing mini-caliphates of Gaza'istan and Abbas'istan are in any way willing or even capable of forming or maintaining working governments.

It's the ill-considered decisions of foreign governments to shower islamic terrorist enclaves with welfare money that Gaza and the West Bank flush with wealthy islamic terrorist kingpins and Iranian weapons.

 

[Spartacactcus]

The same might be true for the Arabs-Moslems but there's no reason to believe the competing mini-caliphates of Gaza'istan and Abbas'istan are in any way willing or even capable of forming or maintaining working governments.

It's the ill-considered decisions of foreign governments to shower islamic terrorist enclaves with welfare money that Gaza and the West Bank flush with wealthy islamic terrorist kingpins and Iranian weapons.

" Gaza istan " and " Abbas'istan " ?? lol and you will expect to be taken seriously after that I suppose

Both the WB, including East Jerusalem, and Gaza would make up the Palestinian state should the law prevail so your treating them as seperate entities is a flawed view imo

Your pretty racist view of them not being able to work towards and maintain a governing unified assembly/parliament etc is nonsense imo. The situation now sees the old divide and conquer dynamic being played out again. Don't let that reality fool you that Arabs are any different than any other people.

Well you can bemoan the " foreign govts " for giving money to the Palestinians but you evidently haven't considered what they alternative should be. Israel has it sown up at both ends when it comes to the occupation and illegal settlement of the Palestinians.

They have the US bankroll their means to achive those ends and they have the " foreign govts" paying for the people they should be paying for as per their status as occupiers.

If everybody took the money out Israel wouldn't be able toi sustain it's criminal exploitation of the Palestinians and their land , period.

 

[Spartacactcus]

Of course.

So how come that doesn't make you an antisemite ?

When I express support for Palestinian self determination in the OPTs that's what I get accused of

 

[Spartacactcus]

Hello fellow posters,

We seem to be straying away from the point of this thread.
It is turning into the thread which used to be available at the top about the two state solution.

I found this thread still available where post 1948 can be discussed. Let us all meet there:

Majority of Palestinians now oppose two-state solution, new poll finds

A clear majority of Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip oppose a two-state solution to end their struggle with Israel, according to a poll released on Wednesday. Sixty percent of those polled, including 55% in the West Bank and 68% in Gaza, reject permanently accepting Israel’s...

www.usmessageboard.com

As for self determination for the Arabs pre 1948, we can all discuss the 1937 and 1947 proposals for partition of what was left of the Mandate for Palestine after 78% was given to the Hashemites, and whether the Arab leaders were looking for what was the best for the Arab population or if they were looking for something else.

Were the Arab leaders looking for Justice for the Arabs who lived there at the time, or were they looking for something else altogether?

What happened in 1920, 1921, 1929, 1936 to 1939 and before Israel declared Independence?

How could the Arab leaders have helped the Arab population achieve self determination from 1920 on ?

Did the Arab leaders actions, since 1920, help or hinder the aspirations of two states, one Jewish and one Arab? Was there such an aspiration before May 1948?

Well , what we can be sure of is that , given the lack of crystal balls on the planet , the Arab rejection of a Jewish homeland in Palestine was both understandable and reasonable.

I can't recall a situation when the native population eagerly supported their own dispossession and displacement at the hands on recently arrived immigrants from foreign lands with a completely different culture.

Anyone think of where that has ever happened just to give an exception to the rule ?

 

[Hollie]

The same might be true for the Arabs-Moslems but there's no reason to believe the competing mini-caliphates of Gaza'istan and Abbas'istan are in any way willing or even capable of forming or maintaining working governments.

It's the ill-considered decisions of foreign governments to shower islamic terrorist enclaves with welfare money that Gaza and the West Bank flush with wealthy islamic terrorist kingpins and Iranian weapons.

" Gaza istan " and " Abbas'istan " ?? lol and you will expect to be taken seriously after that I suppose

Both the WB, including East Jerusalem, and Gaza would make up the Palestinian state should the law prevail so your treating them as seperate entities is a flawed view imo

Your pretty racist view of them not being able to work towards and maintain a governing unified assembly/parliament etc is nonsense imo. The situation now sees the old divide and conquer dynamic being played out again. Don't let that reality fool you that Arabs are any different than any other people.

Well you can bemoan the " foreign govts " for giving money to the Palestinians but you evidently haven't considered what they alternative should be. Israel has it sown up at both ends when it comes to the occupation and illegal settlement of the Palestinians.

They have the US bankroll their means to achive those ends and they have the " foreign govts" paying for the people they should be paying for as per their status as occupiers.

If everybody took the money out Israel wouldn't be able toi sustain it's criminal exploitation of the Palestinians and their land , period.

You employed the racistcanard on queue.

As to the Arabs-Moslems working to form a civil government, why don’t you consider some overseas outreach and become a mediator to resolve the divides that separate the competing mini-caliphates? I treat the competing mini-caliphates as separate and antagonist entities because that’s how they view each other. You do know they fought a rather nasty civil war that left bodies littering the streets, right?

Odd you should suggest that the Pals might be able to form a unified assembly/parliament. With the PNA / PLO / PLC being something of a model for fraud, waste and mismanagement and the quasi sharia / Islamic terrorist hierarchy in Gaza’istan, your comment suggesting that the Islamic terrorists at the top of the welfare fraud food chain will form a workable government is rather silly. Why haven’t they done so already, (note-please don't feel a need to litter the thread with the expected conspiracy theories involving the Great Satan, the Zionist Entity and the Brits.)

You’re hoping to exploit a conspiracy theory about Jews, money foreign invaders and something about “criminal exploitation of the Palestinians and their land”. Those are all the stereotypical conspiracy theories and canards that get tossed around so I have to ask if you’re willing or able to actually form a coherent argument?

What do you think would happen if, as you suggest, everyone took the welfare money out of the hands of the Arabs-Moslems?

 

[Spartacactcus]

You employed the racistcanard on queue.

As to the Arabs-Moslems working to form a civil government, why don’t you consider some overseas outreach and become a mediator to resolve the divides that separate the competing mini-caliphates? I treat the competing mini-caliphates as separate and antagonist entities because that’s how they view each other. You do know they fought a rather nasty civil war that left bodies littering the streets, right?

Odd you should suggest that the Pals might be able to form a unified assembly/parliament. With the PNA / PLO / PLC being something of a model for fraud, waste and mismanagement and the quasi sharia / Islamic terrorist hierarchy in Gaza’istan, your comment suggesting that the Islamic terrorists at the top of the welfare fraud food chain will form a workable government is rather silly. Why haven’t they done so already, (note-please don't feel a need to litter the thread with the expected conspiracy theories involving the Great Satan, the Zionist Entity and the Brits.)

You’re hoping to exploit a conspiracy theory about Jews, money foreign invaders and something about “criminal exploitation of the Palestinians and their land”. Those are all the stereotypical conspiracy theories and canards that get tossed around so I have to ask if you’re willing or able to actually form a coherent argument?

What do you think would happen if, as you suggest, everyone took the welfare money out of the hands of the Arabs-Moslems?

When people say that certain peoples are not able to govern themselves it reeks of racism. It was the mainstay of the white mans burden throughout their subjugation of the peoples of the world in their ages of empire. So if you got called out on posing the same racist claptrap here, you got what you deserved imo.

Not only do I know that the Fatah and Hamas factions fought the Battle of Gaza ,I know what was behind it and that falls into the divide an conquer tactics used by the usual suspects.What you foolishly refer to as conspiracy theory is actually the tried and tested means virtually all conflicts/empires are structured. That you wish to see it as a fantasy only shows how out of touch you are.

The criminal exploitation of the Palestinians and their land is real and easily understood for those that view different peoples as being equal wrt rights .

If the foreigh donors stopped their money supply then the whole greater Israel project ( an possibly Israel itself ) would start to unravel and the dire situation of the Palestinians would be impossible for the world to ignore the way it does. I'm not advocating it because of the suffering it would cause but that's what I think would happen.

Israel, as the occupying power, is getting away from the financial burden of that occupation. As an occupier it would and should be resoponsible for the welfare of the people it occupies.

 

[Shusha]

Of course.

So how come that doesn't make you an antisemite ?

When I express support for Palestinian self determination in the OPTs that's what I get accused of

Nope. Actually, you do not get accused of being an antisemite because you express support for Palestinian self-determination. You get accused of being an antisemite for rejection of Jewish self-determination because *reasons*. It is entirely possible to support Palestinian self-determination AND Jewish self-determination. If you don't want to be accused of antisemitism, may I suggest the following:

1. Demonstrate internally consistent arguments concerning the self-determination of ALL peoples. Don't give *reasons* for why self-determination is valid for all peoples, except the Jewish people. This includes all arguments about "foreign settlers", "not a real culture", "just a religion", "Khazars", "not meant to have a State", and all other *reasons* for excluding the Jewish people from the right to self-determination.

2. Recognize frequently the deep attachment of the Jewish people to their homeland, history, culture and religious faith. Don't diminish it, ignore it, neglect it, minimize it, cast it aside, argue against it, or reject it. The Jewish connection to their homeland and history can not be reasonably disputed. And it makes you look foolish as well as antisemitic.

3. Apply objective standards. Use a single definition for terms such as "indigenous culture", "occupation", "self-governing institutions", "civilians", "legitimate self-defense" and others.

4. Insist that the Arab Palestinians model behaviour consistent with being ready to move into Statehood. This means the cessation of terrorist acts, including the payment for those acts, incitement of those acts and celebration of those acts. It includes taking responsibility for their citizens. It includes negotiating for a peaceful solution to the conflict.

You can't on the one hand say:

So yep , self determination for the Jewish people in their own state is fine ...

and then turn around a day later and say:

recently arrived immigrants from foreign lands with a completely different culture

without sounding like a hypocrite at best, and an antisemite at worst.

 

[Shusha]

When people say that certain peoples are not able to govern themselves it reeks of racism.

As an occupier it would and should be resoponsible for the welfare of the people it occupies.

Wow. Way to light the candle at both ends.

Which is it? Are the governments of Gaza and the "West Bank" capable of self-government or are they not? If they are, do they not bear the responsibility for the welfare of their own people?

 

[Hollie]

You employed the racistcanard on queue.

As to the Arabs-Moslems working to form a civil government, why don’t you consider some overseas outreach and become a mediator to resolve the divides that separate the competing mini-caliphates? I treat the competing mini-caliphates as separate and antagonist entities because that’s how they view each other. You do know they fought a rather nasty civil war that left bodies littering the streets, right?

Odd you should suggest that the Pals might be able to form a unified assembly/parliament. With the PNA / PLO / PLC being something of a model for fraud, waste and mismanagement and the quasi sharia / Islamic terrorist hierarchy in Gaza’istan, your comment suggesting that the Islamic terrorists at the top of the welfare fraud food chain will form a workable government is rather silly. Why haven’t they done so already, (note-please don't feel a need to litter the thread with the expected conspiracy theories involving the Great Satan, the Zionist Entity and the Brits.)

You’re hoping to exploit a conspiracy theory about Jews, money foreign invaders and something about “criminal exploitation of the Palestinians and their land”. Those are all the stereotypical conspiracy theories and canards that get tossed around so I have to ask if you’re willing or able to actually form a coherent argument?

What do you think would happen if, as you suggest, everyone took the welfare money out of the hands of the Arabs-Moslems?

When people say that certain peoples are not able to govern themselves it reeks of racism. It was the mainstay of the white mans burden throughout their subjugation of the peoples of the world in their ages of empire. So if you got called out on posing the same racist claptrap here, you got what you deserved imo.

Not only do I know that the Fatah and Hamas factions fought the Battle of Gaza ,I know what was behind it and that falls into the divide an conquer tactics used by the usual suspects.What you foolishly refer to as conspiracy theory is actually the tried and tested means virtually all conflicts/empires are structured. That you wish to see it as a fantasy only shows how out of touch you are.

The criminal exploitation of the Palestinians and their land is real and easily understood for those that view different peoples as being equal wrt rights .

If the foreigh donors stopped their money supply then the whole greater Israel project ( an possibly Israel itself ) would start to unravel and the dire situation of the Palestinians would be impossible for the world to ignore the way it does. I'm not advocating it because of the suffering it would cause but that's what I think would happen.

Israel, as the occupying power, is getting away from the financial burden of that occupation. As an occupier it would and should be resoponsible for the welfare of the people it occupies.

When people say that certain peoples are not able to govern themselves because certain peoples have shown no ability yo govern themselves, it means that that certain peoples are not able to govern themselves.

The silly racism slogan is timewasting. If you’re going to litter every post with the silly racism slogan, try first presenting a coherent argument.

Second, why retreat to silly conspiracy theories as a vehicle to excuse the tribal warfare that was an underlying cause of the Hamas vs. Fatah civil war? Your retreat to the silly divide and conquer tactics is just another tired cliché.

Your next slogan is the criminal exploitation canard. It’s another slogan that you can’t define, explain or provide support for. That’s, umm, you know. racist

Your next slogan is the “if the foreign donors (who you can’t define) stopped their money supply, Israel would collapse”, slogan. Well, actually no.

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What “occupation” are you referring to? What sovereign territory of either the Abbas or the Hamas mini-caliphate is occupied by Israel?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Hello fellow posters,

We seem to be straying away from the point of this thread.
It is turning into the thread which used to be available at the top about the two state solution.

I found this thread still available where post 1948 can be discussed. Let us all meet there:

Majority of Palestinians now oppose two-state solution, new poll finds

A clear majority of Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip oppose a two-state solution to end their struggle with Israel, according to a poll released on Wednesday. Sixty percent of those polled, including 55% in the West Bank and 68% in Gaza, reject permanently accepting Israel’s...

www.usmessageboard.com

As for self determination for the Arabs pre 1948, we can all discuss the 1937 and 1947 proposals for partition of what was left of the Mandate for Palestine after 78% was given to the Hashemites, and whether the Arab leaders were looking for what was the best for the Arab population or if they were looking for something else.

Were the Arab leaders looking for Justice for the Arabs who lived there at the time, or were they looking for something else altogether?

What happened in 1920, 1921, 1929, 1936 to 1939 and before Israel declared Independence?

How could the Arab leaders have helped the Arab population achieve self determination from 1920 on ?

Did the Arab leaders actions, since 1920, help or hinder the aspirations of two states, one Jewish and one Arab? Was there such an aspiration before May 1948?

Well , what we can be sure of is that , given the lack of crystal balls on the planet , the Arab rejection of a Jewish homeland in Palestine was both understandable and reasonable.

I can't recall a situation when the native population eagerly supported their own dispossession and displacement at the hands on recently arrived immigrants from foreign lands with a completely different culture.

Anyone think of where that has ever happened just to give an exception to the rule ?

I do not know where you read or heard that the Arab Palestinians are the native population of Canaan. If so, that means that most of its history did not happen, and that Christianity did not come out of what happened there either.

You start with a false premise, pushed by the Arabs Muslims themselves since 1973, as they could not destroy Israel with any military attacks.

The Quran itself tells of the Jews being there as the native population when the Arabs' ancestors invaded the land. It was not until losing the 1948 to the Jews and the creation of Israel that some Arab leaders began to misinform the public and their own population, telling them that the Palestinians, who only became a nationlized people, in 1964, after Arafat .....with the Soviet KGB, came up with that idea.

The Arab leader, the Grand Mufti, tells how the Jews did not invade and dispossess any Arabs, but bought lands that no one wanted. Tel Aviv was built on one such land, which had been nothing but unwanted swamp.

The Mufti tells the truth: The Arabs sold the land to the Jews

The Mufti tells the truth: The Arabs sold the land to the Jews The Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj al-Amin al-Husseini, will never be accused ...

middleeastfacts2015.blogspot.com

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Yes, the Arab Muslims have been a totally foreign body on the land, since the 7th century, with a totally different religion and a totally different culture and language.

But there was nothing that unarmed Jews and others living there at the time could do then, or later.
Not until the end of the 19th century.

Why?

Because of endless pogroms against the Jews.

Check the Pogrom which happened in Damascus in the 19th century.

When any people, in groups or just families, from anywhere in the world go and live somewhere else, it does not make the new place their indigenous, native place.

Where the Jews came from, the land of Canaan, Israel, Judea, Palestine, always was and continues to be their departing place and the place where they have every right to return to, as they made it their home for over 3000 years.

As to the Palestinians, their parting place is Arabia.
That is where they are indigenous from, no matter when they left.

I will ask again, what happened in 1920, 1921, 1929, 1936 to 1939 and in 1947?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Of course.

So how come that doesn't make you an antisemite ?

When I express support for Palestinian self determination in the OPTs that's what I get accused of

Do you know the meaning of the word Antisemite?

Do you know who coined it and why, and towards which people?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hello fellow posters,

We seem to be straying away from the point of this thread.
It is turning into the thread which used to be available at the top about the two state solution.

I found this thread still available where post 1948 can be discussed. Let us all meet there:

Majority of Palestinians now oppose two-state solution, new poll finds

A clear majority of Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip oppose a two-state solution to end their struggle with Israel, according to a poll released on Wednesday. Sixty percent of those polled, including 55% in the West Bank and 68% in Gaza, reject permanently accepting Israel’s...

www.usmessageboard.com

As for self determination for the Arabs pre 1948, we can all discuss the 1937 and 1947 proposals for partition of what was left of the Mandate for Palestine after 78% was given to the Hashemites, and whether the Arab leaders were looking for what was the best for the Arab population or if they were looking for something else.

Were the Arab leaders looking for Justice for the Arabs who lived there at the time, or were they looking for something else altogether?

What happened in 1920, 1921, 1929, 1936 to 1939 and before Israel declared Independence?

How could the Arab leaders have helped the Arab population achieve self determination from 1920 on ?

Did the Arab leaders actions, since 1920, help or hinder the aspirations of two states, one Jewish and one Arab? Was there such an aspiration before May 1948?

Well , what we can be sure of is that , given the lack of crystal balls on the planet , the Arab rejection of a Jewish homeland in Palestine was both understandable and reasonable.

I can't recall a situation when the native population eagerly supported their own dispossession and displacement at the hands on recently arrived immigrants from foreign lands with a completely different culture.

Anyone think of where that has ever happened just to give an exception to the rule ?

FYI, a ton of info.

HOME - 1948

Palestine - Israel History

www.1948.org.uk

 

[rylah]

 

[Hollie]

Hello fellow posters,

We seem to be straying away from the point of this thread.
It is turning into the thread which used to be available at the top about the two state solution.

I found this thread still available where post 1948 can be discussed. Let us all meet there:

Majority of Palestinians now oppose two-state solution, new poll finds

A clear majority of Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip oppose a two-state solution to end their struggle with Israel, according to a poll released on Wednesday. Sixty percent of those polled, including 55% in the West Bank and 68% in Gaza, reject permanently accepting Israel’s...

www.usmessageboard.com

As for self determination for the Arabs pre 1948, we can all discuss the 1937 and 1947 proposals for partition of what was left of the Mandate for Palestine after 78% was given to the Hashemites, and whether the Arab leaders were looking for what was the best for the Arab population or if they were looking for something else.

Were the Arab leaders looking for Justice for the Arabs who lived there at the time, or were they looking for something else altogether?

What happened in 1920, 1921, 1929, 1936 to 1939 and before Israel declared Independence?

How could the Arab leaders have helped the Arab population achieve self determination from 1920 on ?

Did the Arab leaders actions, since 1920, help or hinder the aspirations of two states, one Jewish and one Arab? Was there such an aspiration before May 1948?

Well , what we can be sure of is that , given the lack of crystal balls on the planet , the Arab rejection of a Jewish homeland in Palestine was both understandable and reasonable.

I can't recall a situation when the native population eagerly supported their own dispossession and displacement at the hands on recently arrived immigrants from foreign lands with a completely different culture.

Anyone think of where that has ever happened just to give an exception to the rule ?

FYI, a ton of info.

HOME - 1948

Palestine - Israel History

www.1948.org.uk

FYI, a ton of misinformation. The propagandists seem to share your befuddlement about a geographic area. From the “about” section: OUR STATEMENT - 1948

“How was it that one nation, Palestine, which was under the protection of the League of Nations after WW1...”

The Magical Kingdom of Pal’istan was one nation?

When did that happen?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hello fellow posters,

We seem to be straying away from the point of this thread.
It is turning into the thread which used to be available at the top about the two state solution.

I found this thread still available where post 1948 can be discussed. Let us all meet there:

Majority of Palestinians now oppose two-state solution, new poll finds

A clear majority of Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip oppose a two-state solution to end their struggle with Israel, according to a poll released on Wednesday. Sixty percent of those polled, including 55% in the West Bank and 68% in Gaza, reject permanently accepting Israel’s...

www.usmessageboard.com

As for self determination for the Arabs pre 1948, we can all discuss the 1937 and 1947 proposals for partition of what was left of the Mandate for Palestine after 78% was given to the Hashemites, and whether the Arab leaders were looking for what was the best for the Arab population or if they were looking for something else.

Were the Arab leaders looking for Justice for the Arabs who lived there at the time, or were they looking for something else altogether?

What happened in 1920, 1921, 1929, 1936 to 1939 and before Israel declared Independence?

How could the Arab leaders have helped the Arab population achieve self determination from 1920 on ?

Did the Arab leaders actions, since 1920, help or hinder the aspirations of two states, one Jewish and one Arab? Was there such an aspiration before May 1948?

Well , what we can be sure of is that , given the lack of crystal balls on the planet , the Arab rejection of a Jewish homeland in Palestine was both understandable and reasonable.

I can't recall a situation when the native population eagerly supported their own dispossession and displacement at the hands on recently arrived immigrants from foreign lands with a completely different culture.

Anyone think of where that has ever happened just to give an exception to the rule ?

FYI, a ton of info.

HOME - 1948

Palestine - Israel History

www.1948.org.uk

FYI, a ton of misinformation. The propagandists seem to share your befuddlement about a geographic area. From the “about” section: OUR STATEMENT - 1948

“How was it that one nation, Palestine, which was under the protection of the League of Nations after WW1...”

The Magical Kingdom of Pal’istan was one nation?

When did that happen?

Palestine’s legal position under International Law was clear: The United Kingdom was mandated Palestine in one piece. Article 5 of the Mandate required the Mandatory Power (the UK) to ensure that "no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way, placed under the control of the government of any foreign power".

Partition and the Law - 1948

www.1948.org.uk

 

[Hollie]

Hello fellow posters,

We seem to be straying away from the point of this thread.
It is turning into the thread which used to be available at the top about the two state solution.

I found this thread still available where post 1948 can be discussed. Let us all meet there:

Majority of Palestinians now oppose two-state solution, new poll finds

A clear majority of Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip oppose a two-state solution to end their struggle with Israel, according to a poll released on Wednesday. Sixty percent of those polled, including 55% in the West Bank and 68% in Gaza, reject permanently accepting Israel’s...

www.usmessageboard.com

As for self determination for the Arabs pre 1948, we can all discuss the 1937 and 1947 proposals for partition of what was left of the Mandate for Palestine after 78% was given to the Hashemites, and whether the Arab leaders were looking for what was the best for the Arab population or if they were looking for something else.

Were the Arab leaders looking for Justice for the Arabs who lived there at the time, or were they looking for something else altogether?

What happened in 1920, 1921, 1929, 1936 to 1939 and before Israel declared Independence?

How could the Arab leaders have helped the Arab population achieve self determination from 1920 on ?

Did the Arab leaders actions, since 1920, help or hinder the aspirations of two states, one Jewish and one Arab? Was there such an aspiration before May 1948?

Well , what we can be sure of is that , given the lack of crystal balls on the planet , the Arab rejection of a Jewish homeland in Palestine was both understandable and reasonable.

I can't recall a situation when the native population eagerly supported their own dispossession and displacement at the hands on recently arrived immigrants from foreign lands with a completely different culture.

Anyone think of where that has ever happened just to give an exception to the rule ?

FYI, a ton of info.

HOME - 1948

Palestine - Israel History

www.1948.org.uk

FYI, a ton of misinformation. The propagandists seem to share your befuddlement about a geographic area. From the “about” section: OUR STATEMENT - 1948

“How was it that one nation, Palestine, which was under the protection of the League of Nations after WW1...”

The Magical Kingdom of Pal’istan was one nation?

When did that happen?

Palestine’s legal position under International Law was clear: The United Kingdom was mandated Palestine in one piece. Article 5 of the Mandate required the Mandatory Power (the UK) to ensure that "no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way, placed under the control of the government of any foreign power".

Partition and the Law - 1948

www.1948.org.uk

During the term of the Mandate for Palestine, that was the case. You failed to notice that the Mandate ended at midnight on 14 May, 1948. The Mandate did not / does not extend in perpetuity.

Cutting and pasting a snippet from a blog without understanding the greater context (or intending to mislead about that context), is a failed argument.

When the Mandate ended, there were no lingering requirements that survived the ending of the Mandate.