Indeependent
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I wonder why Muslim are always running away from Muslim countries.
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Just one problem there....Muhammed specifically condones it and teaches someone the best way to do it in the hadiths. And many Muslims see him as the perfect human and believe his actions are perfect and correct. So, for the people who believe Islam DOES mandate it, they don't need a verse directing them to do it. Their prophet condoned it, so they must do it as well. To them, it most certainly is a religious practice.FGM is not a religious practice, is not called for in any religious text of Islam.
lousy right wing management?I wonder why Muslim are always running away from Muslim countries.
That's true, even if you don't nitpick. But that doesn't make them all equivalent. Nor does it make their adherents or their literalism equivalent. So, after you have done the light work of tossing off that lazy, pedantic statement, you still have left 9n the table the differences in the religious texts themselves and the difference in the scope of fundamentalism in each religion.Hey, if you are going to nit pick, every religion in its current form is insane.
Or is it that they are commanded to go forth and conquer the world ??I wonder why Muslim are always running away from Muslim countries.
That's true, even if you don't nitpick. But that doesn't make them all equivalent. Nor does it make their adherents or their literalism equivalent. So, after you have done the light work of tossing off that lazy, pedantic statement, you still have left 9n the table the differences in the religious texts themselves and the difference in the scope of fundamentalism in each religion.Hey, if you are going to nit pick, every religion in its current form is insane.
Just addressing the second idea: Islam needs a reformation. You can (incorrectly) equate all religions in their depth of immoral nonsense, but you cannot equate their modernity or literalist bases.
Yes and yes. But western society has benefitted from centuries of secular reformation of the type which seems to elude Muslim communities across the world. And we need to empower moderate Muslims who are willing to point at evil shit in Islam and say, "that's evil, ignore that part". This is a death sentence in most of the Muslim world today.One can read the NT and walk away with the belief that Jesus hated and instructed the slaughter of Jews. You can read the OT and walk away with the belief that God has a problem with bacon.
Yes and yes. But western society has benefitted from centuries of secular reformation of the type which seems to elude Muslim communities across the world. And we need to empower moderate Muslims who are willing to point at evil shit in Islam and say, "that's evil, ignore that part". This is a death sentence in most of the Muslim world today.One can read the NT and walk away with the belief that Jesus hated and instructed the slaughter of Jews. You can read the OT and walk away with the belief that God has a problem with bacon.
Islam has a 1400 year history of ruining countries. The "right wing management" has nothing to do with that.lousy right wing management?I wonder why Muslim are always running away from Muslim countries.
Damn right you would have. But that isn't the state of affairs in what we like to call, "reality". So all of these people throwing themselves in front of Islam like human shields are providing cover to the people making and carrying out that threat, while also making themselves a huge obstacle to the moderate Muslims trying to reform their own religion.If my head was going to get chopped off, I probably would have went too.
Just one problem there....Muhammed specifically condones it and teaches someone the best way to do it in the hadiths. And many Muslims see him as the perfect human and believe his actions are perfect and correct. So, for the people who believe Islam DOES mandate it, they don't need a verse directing them to do it. Their prophet condoned it, so they must do it as well. To them, it most certainly is a religious practice.
Damn right you would have. But that isn't the state of affairs in what we like to call, "reality". So all of these people throwing themselves in front of Islam like human shields are providing cover to the people making and carrying out that threat, while also making themselves a huge obstacle to the moderate Muslims trying to reform their own religion.
It absolutely says what i just said it says. And the new testament is n9t the old testament. Saying the hadiths are not the Quran does not make them any less important to Muslims. Wear a t-shirt with mohammed's face on it in the middle East, if you don't believe me. Mohammed does not appear in the Quran. Would you then argue that devotion to Mohammed has no roots in Islamic texts? No, and what a stupid attempt by you to do such a thing now.No, that Hadith does not say what the Islamophobes claim it did. Also, Hadiths are not the Koran.
Just addressing the second idea: Islam needs a reformation. You can (incorrectly) equate all religions in their depth of immoral nonsense, but you cannot equate their modernity or literalist bases.
It absolutely is, i reject that completely. It's everyone's place to opine on it.It's not our place to say so.
It absolutely says what i just said it says.
Saying the hadiths are not the Quran does not make them any less important to Muslims.
Praying also predates Christianity and Islam. That doesn't mean islams are not praying because of religion. So that argument is stupid and you should immediately retire it, lest you embarrass yourself.
It absolutely is, i reject that completely. It's everyone's place to opine on it.
It does. No, you can look it up for yourself. To help you out, do a search for the Hadith verse used to justify FGM. Or don't. I won't lose any sleep either way.No it doesn't.
It is, in that the practice existed before Islam. The people who do FGM say they do it for islam. You say they don't. Obviously you are a fool to say it. Better go whine to them first, instead of to people like me who take them at their word.Uh, the stupid argument is that FGM is like praying.