The cost of looking at the shiny object over here.

[Woodznutz]

Because they are not rampant, just as voter fraud is not. It was sarcasm.

Voter ID is a reasonable policy. Why do so many Dems fight it?

 

[rightwinger]

They have not done a recount and pulled out the 315,000 illegal votes in Fulton county, Trollwinger.

He only lost the state by 12,000.

Link

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

New SAVE Act Bills Would Still Block Millions of Americans From Voting

New SAVE Act Bills Would Still Block Millions of Americans From Voting

The “show your papers” requirement is an attack on the freedom to vote.

www.brennancenter.org

The SAVE Act is all about voter suppression, not election security.

New SAVE Act Bills Would Still Block Millions of Americans From Voting

Especially the dead ones and the fraudulent ones.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

His ego wouldn't allow for him to admit defeat. Now he is using the means at his disposal to rig future elections.

Yup.

Rigging elections by stopping dead voters, illegal aliens and other fraudulent voters from voting.

 

[protectionist]

You’re “solving”a problem that doesn’t exist and in the process disenfranchising tens of millions of LEGAL voters.

You’d almost think that was the goal… because it is

1. The problem of illegal aliens voting is massive.

2. How is anybody being disenfranchised from voting ?

 

[protectionist]

Voter ID is a reasonable policy. Why do so many Dems fight it?

The want/need illegal aliens to vote (almost entirely FOR THEM)

 

[protectionist]

There is no evidence they have ever voted.

 

[protectionist]

Refute this...........
Millions of Americans Don’t Have Documents Proving Their Citizenship Readily Available

Millions of Americans Don’t Have Documents Proving Their Citizenship Readily Available

Requiring Americans to prove their citizenship to register to vote would exclude millions of citizens from the political process.

www.brennancenter.org

...........and explain what problem voter ID laws solve or STFU.

What is stopping these people from getting birth certificates to prove their citizenship ? You are claiming they can't do that ? Are you kidding ?

I read the Brennan Center link article. It's preposterous.

 

[berg80]

Voter ID is a reasonable policy. Why do so many Dems fight it?

The data shows with absolute certainty voter fraud in the US is virtually non-existent. Therefore, voter ID laws will not make elections any more safe and secure than they already are. Do you know why? Because the data shows with absolute certainty voter fraud in the US is virtually non-existent.

The goal of the SAVE Act is voter suppression.

 

[berg80]

What is stopping these people from getting birth certificates to prove their citizenship ? You are claiming they can't do that ? Are you kidding ?

I don't believe I said they can't. Only that it can be a substantial burden.

AI Overview

Obtaining a birth certificate is often hindered by financial costs, complex bureaucratic procedures, and the need for existing, valid identification. Common obstacles include lack of documentation (especially for home births), name/date errors, strict residency requirements, and, for many, the prohibitive cost of fees and travel to registration centers.

Why would we ask people to do something that isn't necessary since........

The data shows with absolute certainty voter fraud in the US is virtually non-existent. Therefore, voter ID laws will not make elections any more safe and secure than they already are. Do you know why? Because the data shows with absolute certainty voter fraud in the US is virtually non-existent.

 

[berg80]

1. The problem of illegal aliens voting is massive.

There is no evidence to support your assertion. If there was it would have been made public by now.

 

[protectionist]

I don't believe I said they can't. Only that it can be a substantial burden.

AI Overview

Obtaining a birth certificate is often hindered by financial costs, complex bureaucratic procedures, and the need for existing, valid identification. Common obstacles include lack of documentation (especially for home births), name/date errors, strict residency requirements, and, for many, the prohibitive cost of fees and travel to registration centers.

Why would we ask people to do something that isn't necessary since........

As soon as you hear a leftist say the word "data" you may roll your eyes (a few times)

EARTH TO BERG: Anybody can get a birth certificate ONLINE IN ONE MINUTE.
This is 2026, not 1950.

Order Vital Records & Birth Certificates Online | VitalChek

Order official Vital Records online through VitalChek - the trusted service partner for government agencies across the United States.

vitalchek.com

 

[Woodznutz]

The data shows with absolute certainty voter fraud in the US is virtually non-existent. Therefore, voter ID laws will not make elections any more safe and secure than they already are. Do you know why? Because the data shows with absolute certainty voter fraud in the US is virtually non-existent.

The goal of the SAVE Act is voter suppression.

If someone is so dumb, lazy. or contrary that they can't or won't get a valid U.S. ID maybe they shouldn't be voting.

 

[protectionist]

There is no evidence to support your assertion. If there was it would have been made public by now.

It has been in a number of states. You haven't been paying attention.
Here's just one example >>

 

[Woodznutz]

They want/need illegal aliens to vote (almost entirely FOR THEM)

And most of their kids, that will be citizens, likely will.

 

[protectionist]

The data shows with absolute certainty voter fraud in the US is virtually non-existent. Therefore, voter ID laws will not make elections any more safe and secure than they already are. Do you know why? Because the data shows with absolute certainty voter fraud in the US is virtually non-existent.

The goal of the SAVE Act is voter suppression.

This is a perfect example of the fallacy of the concept of "data" that leftists live & die by. It OFTEN is a joke (as in this case).

Yes, the goal of the SAVE Act IS voter suppression. Voter suppression of illegal aliens.

 

[protectionist]

If someone is so dumb, lazy. or contrary that they can't or won't get a valid U.S. ID maybe they shouldn't be voting.

They can get a birth certificate ONLINE IN ONE MINUTE.

 

[Nostra]

The death penalty is supported by an increasingly slim majority of the public. If elected representatives are unresponsive to voter's desires we have the power to vote them out of office. As many should have when Congress failed to pass enhanced gun control favored by a vast majority of Americans.

Why should I have to show a photo ID to buy another gun?

 

[Nostra]

I don't believe I said they can't. Only that it can be a substantial burden.

AI Overview

Obtaining a birth certificate is often hindered by financial costs, complex bureaucratic procedures, and the need for existing, valid identification. Common obstacles include lack of documentation (especially for home births), name/date errors, strict residency requirements, and, for many, the prohibitive cost of fees and travel to registration centers.

Why would we ask people to do something that isn't necessary since........

The data shows with absolute certainty voter fraud in the US is virtually non-existent. Therefore, voter ID laws will not make elections any more safe and secure than they already are. Do you know why? Because the data shows with absolute certainty voter fraud in the US is virtually non-existent.

How much fraud is too much?

 

[Lesh]

1. The problem of illegal aliens voting is massive.

2. How is anybody being disenfranchised from voting ?

Not only is it not massive

It hardly exists