The Sage of Main Street
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"The Vietnamese Armies Were Like South Vietnam's Flag: If It's Not Red, It's Yellow"Untrue. And I don't believe you were there or a Marine.The Boat People Were ChickenhawksNo, guy, the problem was that the people in the Pentagon knew that the people we were propping up were corrupt, and that Ho Chi Mihn was considered a national hero for defeating the French. The Pentagon papers proved that the government knew this before the war even started, but kept it going anyway.Contrary to protesters' claims, then and now, the Vietnam War did not begin without good reasons. It was a direct result of the 1945 Yalta Conference, where Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill agreed to abandon the Vietnamese (who had helped defeat the Japanese in World War II) and give all of Indo-China back to the French. Despite U.S. economic support and military advisers, the French lost the ensuing Vietnamese independence struggle and withdrew from all of Indo-China. Vietnam ended up divided.
Actually, there was never a question during the war about the colonial possessions. They were going to be returned to their respective empires. The only Country that got any special consideration was India, because ethey had contributed so many troops to the British War Effort.
We need to remember that it was the South Vietnamese government that lost their war, not the much-maligned American soldier. American service members did not suffer defeat, even though most of us felt defeated. Policy and politics out of Washington had failed, not the military.
No, guy, the problem was that the people in the Pentagon knew that the people we were propping up were corrupt, and that Ho Chi Mihn was considered a national hero for defeating the French. The Pentagon papers proved that the government knew this before the war even started, but kept it going anyway.
Vietnam vets were raised in a society that honored veterans. Despite Sirota's contentions, Vietnam vets were a bit crushed coming home. We were not honored, but were treated as the face of an unpopular war.
I am not aware of many Vietnam vets who were not subjected to some disrespect, either personal or from the culture that called us "baby killers." We were shamed and embarrassed. My car (with a military base sticker) was "egged." I bought a wig to hide my military haircut.
Oh, noes... an "egg". What a horrifying experience. He must have been scarred for life.
But Lembcke is refuted by many other sources, including Jim Lindgren, a Northwestern University law professor who cited news accounts that documented many spitting incidents. One example: A 1967 Bucks County Courier Times article reporting that two sailors were spat on outside a high school football game by a gang of about 10 young men. One of the sailors was stabbed.
Do you have a link to that article? that sounds awfully vague.
Links to contemporary accounts... or you have nothing.
More communist propaganda. More bullshit piled higher and deeper. During WWII Good ole "Uncle Ho" received aid from the Allies in his fight against the Japanese. The area was then known as Indochina or considered part of China, or part of Japan, or part of France depending on political persuasion. After WWII the French attempted to reoccupy France and Indochina and Uncle Ho was one of the rebel leaders that opposed them and eventually drove them out. At that time he was allied with, and supplied by, the communists while the US considered France an ally as we had during WWII. Ho might have considered himself a "National Hero", but there was in fact no Nation to be a hero of, nor is there any evidence that he was widely liked by the people of the area. When the area-by international treaty- divided into the two separate Countries of North Vietnam and South Vietnam (as Korea had been) the people were given a time period to move to the Nation they prefered. Hundreds of thousands of the people left everything they owned, and that their ancestors left them, behind and voted with their feet and moved to South Vietnam rather than be governed by Uncle Ho and his communist butt buddies. This was not the action of people that were very fond of their potential new leader. The US soldier did not fight for a corrupt government (except maybe our own) but in an effort to protect the South Vietnamese people from annihilation by the communists who had every intention of ruling the world which made their defeat in our best interests also. You think Ho's government was any less "corrupt" than the South Vietnamese government? If so think again.
The South Vietnamese were cowards, crooks, and collaborators. Treating such scum as allies cost over 50,000 American lives. Their refugees never should have been let into our country, where our transnationalist government has given them many unearned benefits that our own people are excluded from.
A typical betrayal was that we Marines were sent into an area where the South Vietnamese Army had a peace treaty with the Viet Cong. The ARVN compound was lit up all night and never attacked.
Who cares what a bootlicking Chickenhawk-lover like you believes? I've had enough of you blowhards trying to appease the privileged multicultie traitors by claiming what wonderful people the gooks were.