9thIDdoc
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Absolutely no truth in any of your post which is why you present no evidence of any of your bullshit claims. More parroting of communist propaganda. Any idiot who can read actual history knows better. I was there. My eyes and ears were wide open. Your eagerness to call me a liar only reinforces OP"s point.So you are still trying to sell the idea that Ho's North Vietnamese communist government which was known to slaughter it's own civilians when they found it expedient to do so was less corrupt than the South Vietnamese government. That plainly makes you an idiot. The VC-which were essentially annihilated during Tet '68- were always largely covert NVA and almost entirely after Tet. Any sympathy S. Vietnam civilians had for Ho and his N. Vietnam was replaced by the many massive and brutal atrocities committed by the VC/NVA. Massacre at HuếMore communist propaganda. More bullshit piled higher and deeper. During WWII Good ole "Uncle Ho" received aid from the Allies in his fight against the Japanese. The area was then known as Indochina or considered part of China, or part of Japan, or part of France depending on political persuasion. After WWII the French attempted to reoccupy France and Indochina and Uncle Ho was one of the rebel leaders that opposed them and eventually drove them out. At that time he was allied with, and supplied by, the communists while the US considered France an ally as we had during WWII. Ho might have considered himself a "National Hero", but there was in fact no Nation to be a hero of, nor is there any evidence that he was widely liked by the people of the area.
I think you are a little confused on the history. Vietnam was part of French Indo-China, but it also had a national Identity. It wasn't technically a 'colony", it was a protectorate, with an Monarch who was a French puppet. The French never technically "lost" Indochina, they in fact continued to administer it through the Vichy Regime. The Vietnamese Monarch abdicated at the insistence of Ho after the Japanese surrenders.
When the area-by international treaty- divided into the two separate Countries of North Vietnam and South Vietnam (as Korea had been) the people were given a time period to move to the Nation they prefered. Hundreds of thousands of the people left everything they owned, and that their ancestors left them, behind and voted with their feet and moved to South Vietnam rather than be governed by Uncle Ho and his communist butt buddies.
Actually, that was slightly inaccurate. The people who fled to the South were Vietnam's Catholic minority, because the Church told them they would get better treatment under the regime of Diem than under the Communists. We are only talking about hundreds of thousands out of a population of millions. Far more people in South Vietnam joined the Viet Cong to attempt to dislodge first the Diem regime, and then the regime we propped up.
Let's take a minute to talk about the political situation. The aforementioned Emperor was a guy named Bao Dai. He was part of the Nguyen Dynasty, which had ruled Annam (Vietnam) since 1802, long before the French showed up. He was deposed by Ho in 1945 when he declared the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, but the French tried to prop him up in the South. He was deposed again by Diem with his corrupt Catholic clique and Diem himself was deposed after JFK gave a wink and a nod to the South Vietnamese military. Most of those guys were HATED by the Vietnamese people because they had gotten their military training being French collaborators. They were also as corrupt as all shit, and probably stole most of the aid we sent to the place.
The US soldier did not fight for a corrupt government (except maybe our own) but in an effort to protect the South Vietnamese people from annihilation by the communists who had every intention of ruling the world which made their defeat in our best interests also. You think Ho's government was any less "corrupt" than the South Vietnamese government? If so think again.
Yeah, actually, they were the worst kind of corrupt, the kind of corrupt that would sell their country out to foreigners to get rich. In most of the world people who do that are considered traitors. Ky and Theiu just jumped from the French to us, diverting the aid we sent to their offshore bank accounts. Theiu ended his life living in a nice mansion in Massachusetts.
It was actually the US Congress that ended the war when they stopped all US support while N. Vietnam continued to be rearmed and supplied by China and the USSR. Guns don't work well when you're out of bullets and your enemy isn't.
I doubt they fired every last bullet they had.
Here, I'll fix it for you.
Guns don't work well when the people handling them don't want to fire them and the enemy does.
We got in the middle of someone else's civil war, and we backed the wrong side.
South Vietnam's Army proved itself both willing and able to defend itself as long as we were willing to continue to rearm and resupply them in similar fashion to what the communists were doing for the North Vietnamese aggressors. North Vietnamese Army's 1972 Eastertide Offensive
S. Vietnam was simply betrayed by the US Congress just like many US troops were betrayed by some of the US people. That should be a source of shame for all Americans.
Nonsense.
Ho Chi Minh was the hero of all Vietnam due to his defeat of the French and liberating the whole country.
There was no one significantly against Ho in all of Vietnam.
Otherwise Diem would not have had to use the military to take over by force.
There were no brutal atrocities by the north, compared to the US napalming villages, with free fire zones and agent orange.
And the idea the US Congress betrayed the South Vietnamese is a joke.
We were paying them to fight and when we stopped paying them, they stopped fighting.
That is not exactly a struggle for freedom.
Go back and look at the Paris Peace Accord.
The US had no right or authority to even be there, and they were just supposed to have a national plebiscite we prevented. That is not how democracy works.