The libertarian view on voluntary Socialism

[Natural Citizen]

Here's a brief thought from the statesman about it. I happen to agree wit hhis sentiment in that we really have to know what liberty means, if we're going to speak on it.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Are you being forced to live in this country or do you freely choose to do so?

Your attempt to claim I agree to government compulsion is reaching into the arena of the absurd. I've encountered this line of argument 1000 times. I'm not going to waste my time on this idiocy

So, your solution is to cry about it on an internet forum? You lack the conviction to stand up for your stated beliefs?

No wonder you are a Trump zealot

Stuff a sock in it, asshole. I am so tired of your shit.

I bet you are one of those losers that joins a club and then whines about the dues and club rules.


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The federal government is not a club, moron. It's an organized criminal gang. People don't volunteer to comply with the rules imposed by the feds unless they are immigrants. I didn't agree to jack shit when I was born here.,

THEN ******* LEAVE YOU FRAUD! Nobody is keeping you here, nobody even wants you here.

But no, you will just sit here and whine about having to pay for the roads you drive on and the military that defends this nation. You want it all for free. I hate freeloaders

 

[Tehon]

Here's a brief thought from the statesman about it. I happen to agree wit hhis sentiment in that we really have to know what liberty means, if we're going to speak on it.

Ron Paul fails to understand that socialism is an economic system of production. A system which, in theory, abolishes capital.

He also fails miserably to note the historical truth that every society that has attempted to organize itself with socialist principles has come under attack by the capitalists. In other words, capitalism doesn't permit people to opt out. Capitalism is not voluntary, despite popular belief.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Here's a brief thought from the statesman about it. I happen to agree wit hhis sentiment in that we really have to know what liberty means, if we're going to speak on it.

Ron Paul fails to understand that socialism is an economic system of production. A system which, in theory, abolishes capital.

He also fails miserably to note the historical truth that every society that has attempted to organize itself with socialist principles has come under attack by the capitalists. In other words, capitalism doesn't permit people to opt out. Capitalism is not voluntary, despite popular belief.

No system of governing is voluntary with the exception of opting out by leaving, and some systems do not allow that.

Any group of people that choose to live as a society will have rules that are not voluntary if you wish to remain in the society, that is the very definition of a society.


People whine about taxes because they are freeloaders who want it all and pay for none of it. They want roads with no cost, they want a legal system with no cost to them, they want brave men and women to protect them, but they do not want to pay them to do so.

 

[Flash]

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The ruling class are all the capitalists who impoverish people as they seek to maximize profits. They created the welfare class and leave it to the public to pick up the broken pieces. It's the capitalist class who uses public money to build a war machine that scours the earth in search of resources to secure for their private gain. It's the ruling class that wants cheap labor funneling over the border.

All these different people that you are complaining about have one thing in common. Their own personal interests. You can't champion individualism one day and the next cry for America the collective.

You are confused.

Maximizing profits is a good thing. It creates jobs, economic growth and government revenue. That takes people out of poverty. It certainly provide a good living for my family and a good retirement.

I have never been improvised by a business producing goods and service for a profit but I have had the money I made taken away from by force by the filthy ass oppressive government and given to somebody else.

I worked as an engineer and my wife was a private school teacher. During most of our working career all the money that my wife made was needed to pay the combined federal state and local taxes. In fact in some years when I got nice bonuses from my capitalistic employer it wasn't even enough. How can an American family get ahead when the filthy government takes so much of our money? Almost 40% of the GDP goers to the combined cost of government and that i why many people are improvised.

The more capitalist US has had 70 years of twice the economic growth as the more socialist Eurotrash countries. When that asshole Obama created a less capitalistic environment poverty increased and economic growth was dismal in addition to the shithead adding $10 trillion to improvising debt for our children.

Liberals are the ones that grow the size of government and their core voting block are the big city ghetto shitholes welfare queens.

If you are against people using the government to steal money for their own personal gain then join me in being a Conservative and advocate doing away with all welfare, subsidies, bailouts and grants.

Join me in condemning that asshole Obama for spending billions in bailing out the banks, bailing out GM and giving billions of our hard eared dollars to the inner city welfare queens and Illegals not to mention his foreign Muslim buddies.

Also if you are like me and against interventionism and fighting other people's wars then join me and condemn that dickhead Obama for being at war for every day of his administration and condemn Crooked Hillary, John Kerry and Nancy Peloski for supporting the invasion of Iraq. Will you do that?

 

[Tehon]

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The ruling class are all the capitalists who impoverish people as they seek to maximize profits. They created the welfare class and leave it to the public to pick up the broken pieces. It's the capitalist class who uses public money to build a war machine that scours the earth in search of resources to secure for their private gain. It's the ruling class that wants cheap labor funneling over the border.

All these different people that you are complaining about have one thing in common. Their own personal interests. You can't champion individualism one day and the next cry for America the collective.

You are confused.

Maximizing profits is a good thing. It creates jobs, economic growth and government revenue. That takes people out of poverty. It certainly provide a good living for my family and a good retirement.

I have never been improvised by a business producing goods and service for a profit but I have had the money I made taken away from by force by the filthy ass oppressive government and given to somebody else.

I worked as an engineer and my wife was a private school teacher. During most of our working career all the money that my wife made was needed to pay the combined federal state and local taxes. In fact in some years when I got nice bonuses from my capitalistic employer it wasn't even enough. How can an American family get ahead when the filthy government takes so much of our money? Almost 40% of the GDP goers to the combined cost of government and that i why many people are improvised.

The more capitalist US has had 70 years of twice the economic growth as the more socialist Eurotrash countries. When that asshole Obama created a less capitalistic environment poverty increased and economic growth was dismal in addition to the shithead adding $10 trillion to improvising debt for our children.

Liberals are the ones that grow the size of government and their core voting block are the big city ghetto shitholes welfare queens.

If you are against people using the government to steal money for their own personal gain then join me in being a Conservative and advocate doing away with all welfare, subsidies, bailouts and grants.

Join me in condemning that asshole Obama for spending billions in bailing out the banks, bailing out GM and giving billions of our hard eared dollars to the inner city welfare queens and Illegals not to mention his foreign Muslim buddies.

Also if you are like me and against interventionism and fighting other people's wars then join me and condemn that dickhead Obama for being at war for every day of his administration and condemn Crooked Hillary, John Kerry and Nancy Peloski for supporting the invasion of Iraq. Will you do that?

I condemn the entire rotten system. You play silly partisan games.