The Left - “The death penalty is wrong”

[BULLDOG]

This post is a great example of the misjudgements of conservatives that leftwingers blindly blunder into. Nobody says "let's kill all of them".

Really? When discussing death row, you don't want to "kill them all"? Seems kinda silly to put them on death row if you don't want to "kill them all".

 

[sartre play]

Yeah but they're totally cool with war as long as it's one of their guys running it.

THIS ONE MADE ME SMILE.

 

[protectionist]

Really???? Then you're not paying attention to what's being said by those on the right.

I am paying attention. You're full of shit, ho hum.

 

[protectionist]

Really? When discussing death row, you don't want to "kill them all"? Seems kinda silly to put them on death row if you don't want to "kill them all".

Of course, all those on death row should be killed. I was referring to many others, not on death row.

 

[protectionist]

How many innocent people are you willing to kill to sate your bloodlust?

Zero. How many innocent people are YOU willing to be killed ?
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Samuel D. Smith -- in prison for murdering Zita Casey, 79, during a burglary in St. Louis in 1978. While in prison he murdered another inmate, Marlin May, during a knife fight in 1987 in prison.
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Jarmarr Arnold -- who, while on DR, murdered another DR inmate by stabbing him in the forehead with a sharpen spike. Proving that not even a death sentence can prevent murder until the sentence is carried out.

 

[BULLDOG]

Of course, all those on death row should be killed. I was referring to many others, not on death row.

I will agree that prisons should be reformed to make it safer for all prisoners. I'm not sure how that justifies executing innocent people. Please explain how it justifies mistakenly killing someone who didn't commit the crime they were charged with.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Well, it's a complex answer that some people want to make simple.

What is a justice system? Is it about revenge, is it about a deterrent, is is about an eye for an eye or is it about thinking logically?

It's also about whether you think that an execution is more or less cruel than keeping someone locked up for life in prison.

Some people think one way is worse than the other way.

What do YOU think? It's not always about revenge, it's about a family getting justice for the brutality committed against their child

The left are generally anti death penalty, which makes me wonder if they believe there is no crime so heinous that would ever warrant a death penalty.

 

[BULLDOG]

What do YOU think? It's not always about revenge, it's about a family getting justice for the brutality committed against their child

The left are generally anti death penalty, which makes me wonder if they believe there is no crime so heinous that would ever warrant a death penalty.

Of course, some crimes cry out for the death penalty. Whether a particular crime deserves death is not the point. Whether we are sure we are executing the right person is the problem. We were sure that those 200 people were guilty too until new evidence showed they didn't commit the crime. Locking them up away from society is cheaper, and guarantees we aren't killing the wrong person while the guilty person goes free.

 

[frigidweirdo]

What do YOU think? It's not always about revenge, it's about a family getting justice for the brutality committed against their child

The left are generally anti death penalty, which makes me wonder if they believe there is no crime so heinous that would ever warrant a death penalty.

That's what I think. It's an emotive issue, rather than a factual one.

Does the death penalty work as a deterrent? To a certain degree yes. However that doesn't mean that states with the death penalty have lower murder rates.

The top states for murder, Louisiana has the death penalty, New Mexico doesn't, South Carolina does, and then the 4th, 5th and 6th also have the death penalty.

So, if you can reduce murder in other ways, why not do that, rather than spend loads of money to kill people?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Of course, some crimes cry out for the death penalty. Whether a particular crime deserves death is not the point. Whether we are sure we are executing the right person is the problem. We were sure that those 200 people were guilty too until new evidence showed they didn't commit the crime. Locking them up away from society is cheaper, and guarantees we aren't killing the wrong person while the guilty person goes free.

So you're saying our court system makes mistakes and punishes innocent people?

 

[ThisIsMe]

That's what I think. It's an emotive issue, rather than a factual one.

Does the death penalty work as a deterrent? To a certain degree yes. However that doesn't mean that states with the death penalty have lower murder rates.

The top states for murder, Louisiana has the death penalty, New Mexico doesn't, South Carolina does, and then the 4th, 5th and 6th also have the death penalty.

So, if you can reduce murder in other ways, why not do that, rather than spend loads of money to kill people?

It's not only a deterrent though. Death penalty is considered appropriate punishment in some cases in some states.

so you are against death penalty in every circumstance?

Also, lethal injection is not expensive. I've seen articles say it's between $1000 and $2000 per dose.

 

[Staidhup]

Maybe the real issue is the role the government plays in “our” healthcare system.

 

[BULLDOG]

So you're saying our court system makes mistakes and punishes innocent people?

Yes.

 

[BackAgain]

Polly wanna cracker?

I have no idea how hungry you are. And, of course, I don’t care.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's not only a deterrent though. Death penalty is considered appropriate punishment in some cases in some states.

so you are against death penalty in every circumstance?

Also, lethal injection is not expensive. I've seen articles say it's between $1000 and $2000 per dose.

Well, in a "civilized" place it's a deterrent.

The problem with the South and other such states is they do it because they like revenge, it makes them feel good about themselves. I know, I work with a dude from Mississippi and he's a smart idiot. He can think, he just chooses not to and says "well, I believe this because I'm from Mississippi" and he hits his wife and 1 1/2 year old child and their relationship sucks and his life is a nightmare.

But he got promoted last week, not because he wanted promotion, just because he wanted more money, and he told them this, now he walks around like he's some kind of God or something.

 

[BackAgain]

The death penalty is wrong on every level.

No. It’s not.

Every civilized nation on earth has ended the death penalty as cruel and barbaric.

Wrong. We haven’t.

Nearly 1/3 of the people who are currently given the death penalty, are later exonerated.

Horseshit.

 

[protectionist]

I will agree that prisons should be reformed to make it safer for all prisoners. I'm not sure how that justifies executing innocent people. Please explain how it justifies mistakenly killing someone who didn't commit the crime they were charged with.

Why should I justify those things, when I never said those things ?

 

[protectionist]

That's what I think. It's an emotive issue, rather than a factual one.

Does the death penalty work as a deterrent? To a certain degree yes. However that doesn't mean that states with the death penalty have lower murder rates.

The top states for murder, Louisiana has the death penalty, New Mexico doesn't, South Carolina does, and then the 4th, 5th and 6th also have the death penalty.

So, if you can reduce murder in other ways, why not do that, rather than spend loads of money to kill people?

The death penalty is a deterrent upon the person who receives it.

 

[BULLDOG]

Why should I justify those things, when I never said those things ?

If you support continuing executions, you support the chance of accidentally killing an innocent person. We've already proven we sometimes kill the wrong person.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If you support continuing executions, you support the chance of accidentally killing an innocent person. We've already proven we sometimes kill the wrong person.

Accidentally killing one, accidentally killing 40,000.