The left embraces socialism .

[JakeStarkey]

The ultra right and the libertarians confuse the obligations that differentiate government and society. As "a result of this, every time we support a thing being done by government," the libertarians and ultra right believe that government is infringing on their right to be held accountable for their public conduct.

 

[yidnar]

It seems sadly obvious that most if not all of those who parrot the far-right's condemnation of the Progressive left as having a socialist agenda and choosing to embrace communism have little to no idea what communism and socialism are about. I suspect most of these corporatist acolytes are of an age and occupy a social category in which their working class parents provided them with a comfortable middle class upbringing as the direct result of moderate socialist influence on the U.S. Economy which came about because of the New Deal.

These pathetically ignorant ingrates are blind to the fact that the socialist influences which facilitated their middle class lifestyles have been and are being incrementally removed by an emerging corporatocracy which is dedicated to renewing the Robber Baron era by eliminating the middle class and restoring the Gilded Age. What is most discouraging about this cult of ignorance is in spite of abundant evidence of the systematic reversal of middle class fortune there are none so blind as they who will not see.

They proudly carry the executioner's axe to their own beheading.

you just added credence to the premise of this thread.

 

[MikeK]

Wow, you really got me there,,,with your opinion. No facts, just an opinion that has been consisently more than just right wing,,,,try going to the fringe right wing. How about some factual examples? Thanks.

Maxine Waters Wants To Socialize Oil Companies | Judicial Watch

California’s most influential black lawmaker, Democrat Representative Maxine Waters, made the threat during recent congressional hearings with oil company executives. She said the federal government would take over their industry if they failed to do something to stop the escalating price of gasoline.

Waters told the president of a major oil company to “guess what this liberal would be all about? This liberal would be all about socializing — uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies.”

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrA9zj94NuU]MAXINE WATERS OUTS THE DEMS SOCIALIST AGENDA - YouTube[/ame]

Good!

Waters is right. Government should assume dominant control of the oil industry. It is much too vital to national security and its influence on the Economy is much too strong to allow it free rein.

PS: In case anyone is wondering: Yes -- I am a socialist.

 

[OKTexas]

You're right. I love the government run VA system.

Of course, what's not to love, if you don't mind waiting for care.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

So, Yidnar.
I'm a centrist. I prefer elements of both sides. My questions are these:
1. Do you have parents, grandparents, or other close relatives on social security? If so, they are being assisted by a socialist program. This helps ensure that they aren't lying in the streets, begging.
2. Do you have parents, grandparents, or other close relatives using medicare? If so, they are being assisted by a socialist program. This helps ensure that they get some basic health care when they are ill, or very old and need assistance.
I don't think of aiding the elderly with my tax dollars as bad. It's called compassion. If you do, then talk to those close to you who collect social security or use medicare and convince them to stop accepting them and see how long they remain in their homes or live. We tout ourselves as the "best" country in the world and that we are "number one." It's a bit hypocritical to brag that we are the best, when we are the only westernized nation in which people can go bankrupt over health care, we are not tops in student science and math scores and we are now primarily a consumer nation, rather than a producing nation (the last because of the free-trade acts).
This nation is too focused on greed. Money is no different than crack-cocaine or heroin to the ultra-rich. They can't make enough money and want to find anyway to reduce or eliminate paying taxes, as they feel that paying taxes should be the burden of the little people (as Leona Helmsley would say).
I have worked hard for my money and if some of it has to go to help others less fortunate, then so be it.
You on the other hand are nothing more than a product of the greed culture.

 

[bripat9643]

Waters is right. Government should assume dominant control of the oil industry. It is much too vital to national security and its influence on the Economy is much too strong to allow it free rein.

PS: In case anyone is wondering: Yes -- I am a socialist.

Yeah, I was going to ask if you thought you weren't a commie before I read your last sentence. Of course, every other Democrat has the exact same opinion.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You're right. I love the government run VA system.

Of course, what's not to love, if you don't mind waiting for care.

The care at the Tyler VA primary care outpatient clinic was outstanding when I used it. Shreveport did a good job for me, I was not thrilled with Houston. Salt Lake City has been outstanding.

 

[yidnar]

Maxine Waters Wants To Socialize Oil Companies | Judicial Watch

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrA9zj94NuU]MAXINE WATERS OUTS THE DEMS SOCIALIST AGENDA - YouTube[/ame]

Good!

Waters is right. Government should assume dominant control of the oil industry. It is much too vital to national security and its influence on the Economy is much too strong to allow it free rein.

PS: In case anyone is wondering: Yes -- I am a socialist.

and that means you are a libb.

 

[yidnar]

So, Yidnar.
I'm a centrist. I prefer elements of both sides. My questions are these:
1. Do you have parents, grandparents, or other close relatives on social security? If so, they are being assisted by a socialist program. This helps ensure that they aren't lying in the streets, begging.
2. Do you have parents, grandparents, or other close relatives using medicare? If so, they are being assisted by a socialist program. This helps ensure that they get some basic health care when they are ill, or very old and need assistance.
I don't think of aiding the elderly with my tax dollars as bad. It's called compassion. If you do, then talk to those close to you who collect social security or use medicare and convince them to stop accepting them and see how long they remain in their homes or live. We tout ourselves as the "best" country in the world and that we are "number one." It's a bit hypocritical to brag that we are the best, when we are the only westernized nation in which people can go bankrupt over health care, we are not tops in student science and math scores and we are now primarily a consumer nation, rather than a producing nation (the last because of the free-trade acts).
This nation is too focused on greed. Money is no different than crack-cocaine or heroin to the ultra-rich. They can't make enough money and want to find anyway to reduce or eliminate paying taxes, as they feel that paying taxes should be the burden of the little people (as Leona Helmsley would say).
I have worked hard for my money and if some of it has to go to help others less fortunate, then so be it.
You on the other hand are nothing more than a product of the greed culture.

my grand parents paid into soc sec and medicare system for 40 yrs.

 

[yidnar]

like i said the libbs defend socialism !!they do not even deny that they are all for a socialist government !! just read their posts!!

 

[tooAlive]

It's funny, after talking with many "hard-core commies," they've told me true communism is class-less, state-less, and money-less.

In which case it's pretty much anarchy without a monetary system. So I'd assume true communists would actually be classified as beyond extreme right-wingers.

 

[yidnar]

It's funny, after talking with many "hard-core commies," they've told me true communism is class-less, state-less, and money-less.

In which case it's pretty much anarchy without a monetary system. So I'd assume true communists would actually be classified as beyond extreme right-wingers.

don't even try that bullshit!! government control over every aspect of your life is the libb way !!

 

[tooAlive]

It's funny, after talking with many "hard-core commies," they've told me true communism is class-less, state-less, and money-less.

In which case it's pretty much anarchy without a monetary system. So I'd assume true communists would actually be classified as beyond extreme right-wingers.

don't even try that bullshit!! government control over every aspect of your life is the libb way !!

Whoah there buddy, that's just what they told me. And I was just as shocked as you were.

Communism without a state sounds as crazy to me as Obama joining the Tea Party.

I mean, how on earth do you expect to enforce a class-less, state-less, money-less society without an oppressive and oligarchy-esque state? Perhaps a true "hard core commie" can chime in on what they believe true communism is.

 

[francoHFW]

Waters is right. Government should assume dominant control of the oil industry. It is much too vital to national security and its influence on the Economy is much too strong to allow it free rein.

PS: In case anyone is wondering: Yes -- I am a socialist.

Yeah, I was going to ask if you thought you weren't a commie before I read your last sentence. Of course, every other Democrat has the exact same opinion.

For the billionth time, cold war dinosaur, a socialist is not a communist. The real world knows socialism is ALWAYS democratic, communism NEVER. All the other differences come from that. Pub dupes! Rush/Beckbots! Careless mainly racist white dingbats! etc etc.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The above is why I insist on accurate definitions. Yidnar, bripat, etc, won't live with accurate definitions and examples because they will fail in their arguments.

 

[yidnar]

The above is why I insist on accurate definitions. Yidnar, bripat, etc, won't live with accurate definitions and examples because they will fail in their arguments.

are you trying to say that socialism is not a bad thing !! would you prefer socialism over capitalism ??

 

[yidnar]

Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[yidnar]

Waters is right. Government should assume dominant control of the oil industry. It is much too vital to national security and its influence on the Economy is much too strong to allow it free rein.

PS: In case anyone is wondering: Yes -- I am a socialist.

Yeah, I was going to ask if you thought you weren't a commie before I read your last sentence. Of course, every other Democrat has the exact same opinion.

For the billionth time, cold war dinosaur, a socialist is not a communist. The real world knows socialism is ALWAYS democratic, communism NEVER. All the other differences come from that. Pub dupes! Rush/Beckbots! Careless mainly racist white dingbats! etc etc.

and if you can get rid of that pesky piece of paper called The Constitution communism is the next step !!Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[tooAlive]

The above is why I insist on accurate definitions. Yidnar, bripat, etc, won't live with accurate definitions and examples because they will fail in their arguments.

That's because there is no accurate definition of socialism. Primarily because it's never existed. Every political system that's ever tried a socialist "revolution" has ended up in tyranny and utter failure.

And according to Marx, socialism is somewhat of a transitionary phase between capitalism and communism. So communism should be the ultimate goal of self-proclaimed "socialists."

For the billionth time, cold war dinosaur, a socialist is not a communist. The real world knows socialism is ALWAYS democratic, communism NEVER. All the other differences come from that. Pub dupes! Rush/Beckbots! Careless mainly racist white dingbats! etc etc.

First of all, the real world doesn't know what socialism is like because it's never existed. It can't. Which is why every country that has tried it has ended up a complete failure.

And if you've ever even read Marx you'd know that socialism is pretty much the "first stage" of communism. So I don't know where you base your comments about socialists not being communists. At least not yet.

 

[jesus_nihilist]

Do you mean the 'left' that has been bought out by corporations like Goldman Sachs, Microsoft and Warren Buffet???

Strange, I don't think that 'left' ever intends to move towards socialism, but rather, inverted totalitarianism just like all political parties in the us of A.