The John Kennedy assassination ..who's who on the Grassy Knoll

[LA RAM FAN]

I will make it simple for all the naysayers. Some things aren't supposed to be true but really are and rarely they are proven, like in the case of the driver shooting jfk. The only defense against this truth has been invalidated by showing that Greer's left arm/hand really did cross with the headshot. The illusion has been proven a reality.

Even if somehow a lot of people learn this truth, it won't change the world as much as it will confirm that some really absurd things have happened in America and been covered up by the gatekeepers (conspiracy theorists) and the mass media. The WWW solved this case, and more directly, youtube. The untruthers simply ignored that Greer had both hands off the wheel and skipped to the fake hand excuse. His left hand never returned to the wheel because it was going over his right shoulder during the headshot. A little enhancement worked wonders in making it crystal clear. Watch the area over his right shoulder pop with the headshot.

amazing,you spelled it out for them dummies style and yet they STILL dont get it even after that as evidenced by the lack of replies.

You would have better luck trying to reason on this with some grade school children. They at least would be open minded and not go into it only seeing what they WANTED to see.Might as well move on,these trolls are hopeless.

 

[7forever]

[/B].

No, it is YOU who are conveniently ignoring the glaringly obvious fact that the head shot DID NOT and COULD NOT have come from a handgun. The kinetic energy demonstrated by the Zapruder film is clearly from a high powered weapon. What is more, the mass of energy cones outward from the front of the head demonstrating that the momentum of energy moved from the rear occipital region of the cranium toward the frontal region of the crannium. In other words, JFK was hit in the back of the head, not the front.

Now, kindly do us all a favor and desist with spamming up the boards with more reruns of your thoroughly idiotic theory until you can somehow demonstrate that Greer was in possession of a handgun that could fire high-powered rounds and that he was somehow able to shoot JFK in the back of the head with it.

No, it is YOU who are conveniently ignoring the glaringly obvious fact that the head shot DID NOT and COULD NOT have come from a rifle. The kinetic energy demonstrated by the Zapruder film is clearly from a handgun at close range. What is more, the mass of energy shows the shot came from the front of the head and demonstrates that the momentum of energy moved from the right front to the rear occipital region. In other words, JFK was hit in the front of the head, not the rear.

Now, kindly do us all a favor and desist with spamming up the boards with more reruns of your thoroughly idiotic theory until you can somehow demonstrate that anything you post is something other than regurgitated nonsense.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

something else that was mentioned earlier MANY pages back is that Flecther Prouty the character that donald sutherland played in the movie,he was wrong that during parades,that windows are never down and he actually had a good point by showing pics of JFK when he was in berlin with windwos down,well the point prouty was making was that it was actually unprecedented for the ss not to scout in area like dallas days in and weeks in advance when there hasd been over a hundred death threats from dallas given to him.THAT was unprecendeted especially since adlai stevenson had been spat on a week earlier.

commenting on this further,like i said,they were correct saying kennedy had been in cities and around the world in places where windows were open like Berlin for instance but what Prouty was saying was that for a HOSTILE city like dallas where he had had well over a hundred different death threats given to him in the weeks prior to his visit,it was unprecedented for the secret service to lower their protection like that.That that was unheard of for the secret service to let down their guard like that especially in a city where a couple weeks before,adlai stevenson had been spat on and hit on the head with a sign during a protest and AGAIN,where he had had well over a hundred different death threats from dallas given to him in the prior weeks.

They would have scouted out the area days even weeks in advance and had men situated in buildings on radios to radio that agent to go to that building the moment a windown went up.they would never have allowed a man to open up an umbrella like that especially so close to the curb and close to the limo like that guy seen in the photos is.they would have had men on him in seconds.also the 112th commander objected strongly when he offered them their assistance and they told him it was not needed.

He argued very loudly with them matter of fact he told independent researchers strongly objecting.also if you look at the films,before he enters dealy plaza,all the way up to main and houston,the crowds were well into the THOUSANDS lined up on the streets but were placed way back away from the limo and a ss agent was walking alongside kennedys right hand side and was on the back running board.However as seen in the films,soon as they enter dealy plaza,those crowds thin out and instead of being in the thousands,there were only about 50 to a 100 people there in the dealy plaza area in the triangular kill zone the CIA had set up for him.

They had to have it clear of as few witnesses as possible.Not only that,but you have a ss agent who has been told to get off the back running board objecting vigorously to having to do so because his superiours orderd him th and his aides always said that JFK let the secrtet service make the decisions and he was always okay with whatever they wanted because he trusted them,a fatal mistake.Dont let anybody tell you differently.if they do,they are paid trolls.

The secret service violated long standing protocals that day slowing the car down to 11 miles an hour and overlooking tall buildings with open windows in a hostile city that JFK had over a hundred death threats given to him and they illegally destoryed and removed evidence.and forget the argument that it was just carelessness on their part because nobody got fired from their jobs for being so careless like they should have been.The secret service did not care about protecting him in the fact they were out into the wee hours of the night the night before getting drunk as well which they all should have been fired for also.Even on JFK's trip to berlin,while you can see open windows therein tall buildings,the films also show motorcycles on both sides of the limo like there SHOULD be so the people who come on here and STILL say oswald was the lone assassin are paid trolls.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

[/B].

No, it is YOU who are conveniently ignoring the glaringly obvious fact that the head shot DID NOT and COULD NOT have come from a handgun. The kinetic energy demonstrated by the Zapruder film is clearly from a high powered weapon. What is more, the mass of energy cones outward from the front of the head demonstrating that the momentum of energy moved from the rear occipital region of the cranium toward the frontal region of the crannium. In other words, JFK was hit in the back of the head, not the front.

Now, kindly do us all a favor and desist with spamming up the boards with more reruns of your thoroughly idiotic theory until you can somehow demonstrate that Greer was in possession of a handgun that could fire high-powered rounds and that he was somehow able to shoot JFK in the back of the head with it.

No, it is YOU who are conveniently ignoring the glaringly obvious fact that the head shot DID NOT and COULD NOT have come from a rifle. The kinetic energy demonstrated by the Zapruder film is clearly from a handgun at close range. What is more, the mass of energy shows the shot came from the front of the head and demonstrates that the momentum of energy moved from the right front to the rear occipital region. In other words, JFK was hit in the front of the head, not the rear.

Now, kindly do us all a favor and desist with spamming up the boards with more reruns of your thoroughly idiotic theory until you can somehow demonstrate that anything you post is something other than regurgitated nonsense.

as long as the troll keeps saying the disproven head shot came from the dal tech building,he has no credibility and has not one iota of logic and common sense.I dont mind it myself when someone says they dont believe the head shot came from greer,but for god sakes when someone starts rambling saying it came from the dal tex building,you know they are just here to troll and not worth the effort might as move on to someone else.

 

[Liability]

No, it is YOU who are conveniently ignoring the glaringly obvious fact that the head shot DID NOT and COULD NOT have come from a handgun. The kinetic energy demonstrated by the Zapruder film is clearly from a high powered weapon. What is more, the mass of energy cones outward from the front of the head demonstrating that the momentum of energy moved from the rear occipital region of the cranium toward the frontal region of the crannium. In other words, JFK was hit in the back of the head, not the front.

Now, kindly do us all a favor and desist with spamming up the boards with more reruns of your thoroughly idiotic theory until you can somehow demonstrate that Greer was in possession of a handgun that could fire high-powered rounds and that he was somehow able to shoot JFK in the back of the head with it.

No, it is YOU who are conveniently ignoring the glaringly obvious fact that the head shot DID NOT and COULD NOT have come from a rifle. The kinetic energy demonstrated by the Zapruder film is clearly from a handgun at close range. What is more, the mass of energy shows the shot came from the front of the head and demonstrates that the momentum of energy moved from the right front to the rear occipital region. In other words, JFK was hit in the front of the head, not the rear.

Now, kindly do us all a favor and desist with spamming up the boards with more reruns of your thoroughly idiotic theory until you can somehow demonstrate that anything you post is something other than regurgitated nonsense.

as long as the troll keeps saying the disproven head shot came from the dal tech building,he has no credibility and has not one iota of logic and common sense.I dont mind it myself when someone says they dont believe the head shot came from greer,but for god sakes when someone starts rambling saying it came from the dal tex building,you know they are just here to troll and not worth the effort might as move on to someone else.

Scientifically, it has been repeatedly proved that the fatal shot to President Kennedy's head came from BEHIND as did shot to his back that went through him and directly into the Governor in the jump seat.

Denying reality, 9/11 Rimjob, is your forte` but, no matter. It's not like you ever had the first hint of a shred of a shadow of credibility, anyway.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

amazing how this thread only atttracts children trolls like Liar ability for instance who has proven in spades he is a sad kid who seeks attention always quoting me addressing me as though I read his posts.I wont satisfy him though and post after his next post. that will just be giving the kid the attention he seeks.

 

[Liability]

amazing how this thread only atttracts children trolls like Liar ability for instance who has proven in spades he is a sad kid who seeks attention always quoting me addressing me as though I read his posts.I wont satisfy him though and post after his next post. that will just be giving the kid the attention he seeks.

You just claimed that you responded to my post but you don't read my posts.

Try to be honest for once in your utterly worthless meaningless life. You read every word I post, avidly.

But whether you do or not, it is still a good and useful thing to note how utterly dishonest you are.

You ignore the evidence that proves, conclusively, that you are dead wrong.

9/11 Rimjob, you still have no hope of ever having any hint of cred, you assmunch.

 

[daws101]

hand job pontificating on "the laws of physics"
best joke ever!

 

[Liability]

SECRETS OF A HOMICIDE: JFK ASSASSINATION - Project Home

 

[7forever]

I've looked at the film closely and here are some numbers which you can find yourself. The driver is looking at Kennedy before, during and immediately after the fatal shot. This is an anomaly of epic proportions if he didn't shoot Kennedy. He is driving the vehicle and manages to look at Kennedy a half second before the shot, at the moment, and right after in a moving car which he is driving. IT'S DNA IMPOSSIBLE.

And he lied about ever seeing Kennedy even though he was clearly looking at him twice in less than 2 seconds. He lied because he killed Kennedy and understood that that would raise questions as to why he didn't speed off after looking the first time. He was a goon but managed to tell that much needed lie but we have the film to confirm he's looking right at jfk both times.

He turns around the first time at 272. Kellerman turned before at 260 so they are both looking at jfk at the same time until 289. They are both clearly aware that at least Kennedy has been hit and what do they do...slow the limo down and finish Kennedy off at point blank range. Greer turns back straight at 289, they both look at each around 290-292 and they know at that moment they are gonna shoot the sitting duck in the back seat. Greer starts his second turn at 301-302 and is looking right at Greer by 304 and turns away and pulls the gun down by 318. There are 45 frames between 272-317 and Greer's looking at Kennedy in those critical moments for 30 of those frames.

 

[7forever]

Greer's lies are right up there with OJ Simpson. He was looking directly at Kennedy two seperate times between frame 272-302. The film proves many things and certainly proves Greer lied big time.

Mr. SPECTER - Were you able to see anything of President Kennedy as you glanced to the rear?
Mr. GREER - No, sir; I didn't see anything of the President, I didn't look, I wasn't far enough around to see the President.

 

[7forever]

Greer slips up and admits he accelerated after the third shot which is always the last shot for people who are lying. He sped off after his second turn and right after he fired the fatal shot.

Mr. SPECTER - Do you recollect whether you accelerated before or at the same time or after the third shot?
Mr. GREER - I couldn't really say. Just as soon as I turned my head back from the second shot, right away I accelerated right then. It was a matter of my reflexes to the accelerator.
Mr. SPECTER - Was it at about that time that you heard the third shot?
Mr. GREER - Yes, sir; just as soon as I turned my head.

This testimony is golden and would convict anyone on trial for murder in a heartbeat. He admits to turning twice here but officially said he turned only once. OOPS!


Mr. SPECTER - Do you have an independent recollection at this moment of having heard three shots at that time?
Mr. GREER - I knew that after I heard the second one, that is when I looked over my shoulder, and I was conscious that there was something wrong, because that is when I saw Governor Connally. And when I turned around again, to the best of my recollection there was another one, right immediately after.

The one you fired, you imbecile.

 

[daws101]

I've looked at the film closely and here are some numbers which you can find yourself. The driver is looking at Kennedy before, during and immediately after the fatal shot. This is an anomaly of epic proportions if he didn't shoot Kennedy. He is driving the vehicle and manages to look at Kennedy a half second before the shot, at the moment, and right after in a moving car which he is driving. IT'S DNA IMPOSSIBLE.

And he lied about ever seeing Kennedy even though he was clearly looking at him twice in less than 2 seconds. He lied because he killed Kennedy and understood that that would raise questions as to why he didn't speed off after looking the first time. He was a goon but managed to tell that much needed lie but we have the film to confirm he's looking right at jfk both times.

He turns around the first time at 272. Kellerman turned before at 260 so they are both looking at jfk at the same time until 289. They are both clearly aware that at least Kennedy has been hit and what do they do...slow the limo down and finish Kennedy off at point blank range. Greer turns back straight at 289, they both look at each around 290-292 and they know at that moment they are gonna shoot the sitting duck in the back seat. Greer starts his second turn at 301-302 and is looking right at Greer by 304 and turns away and pulls the gun down by 318. There are 45 frames between 272-317 and Greer's looking at Kennedy in those critical moments for 30 of those frames.

ahhh.... you do realize that 30 frames of 8mm film is just a tiny bit more then one second. (24 frames per second )

 

[SigTurner]

Your point is moot for several reasons; Here are two. Both of Greer's hands were off the wheel 3.5 seconds before the fake hand appears to come off the wheel. During those seconds he placed the gun in his left hand and never placed it back on the wheel which is proven by his left arm crossing his right shoulder in the nix film. You simply ignore the pink elephant in the room and continue on with your nonsense.

No, it is YOU who are conveniently ignoring the glaringly obvious fact that the head shot DID NOT and COULD NOT have come from a handgun. The kinetic energy demonstrated by the Zapruder film is clearly from a high powered weapon. What is more, the mass of energy cones outward from the front of the head demonstrating that the momentum of energy moved from the rear occipital region of the cranium toward the frontal region of the crannium. In other words, JFK was hit in the back of the head, not the front.

Now, kindly do us all a favor and desist with spamming up the boards with more reruns of your thoroughly idiotic theory until you can somehow demonstrate that Greer was in possession of a handgun that could fire high-powered rounds and that he was somehow able to shoot JFK in the back of the head with it.

You are clearly trolling because you lie because it is YOU who keeps making up b.s that he had a headshot from the back of the head when all the doctors said otherwise and you clearly know nothing at all about the laws of physics.The CIA had and has high powered handguns capable of that kind of force,the brain matter went back toward the limo,thats what Jackie is retrieving and landed on one of the motorcycle officers riding behind jackie.The only one ignoring things is you,you keep ignoring the FACT that the zapruder film was altered and everytime he asks you to explain why if his act was so innocent in turning around backwards pointing his left arm back towards kennedy in the unaltered nix film,you run away with your tail between your legs and refuse to comment.

You are clearly a dipshit who does not know his thumb from his dick.

All the doctors DID NOT say otherwise. What they did say is that much of the occipital and parietal portions of his cranium had been blown away. This is exactly the effect one would expect from a high-powered JHP round smashing into the rear of the skull.

If you and the other goof want to argue that the Zapruder film has been altered, then the sky is the limit as far theories go since the Zapruder film will no longer amount to reliable evidence and will have to be tossed out of serious discussion.

As for me, the Zapruder film is the most important piece of evidence that exists. I will go with what it presents because, without it, there is very little left to discuss. That being said, from what I see, the Zapruder film shows a high-powered round hitting JFK in the back of the head pushing a cone of blood and brain tissue forward, eviscerating much of the right cerebral hemisphere out of the more frontal side of the cranium.

The fact that part of JFK's skull and brain tissue fell backward onto the rear of the limo is not at all surprising. After all, the limo was moving forward. You do understand that this is a top-down convertible we are talking about, don't you?

As far as CIA agents toting high-powered handguns in 1963, I am not aware of it, nor is it relevant. Greer was Secret Service, not CIA. What I am aware of is the fact that Secret Service Agents do not typically carry such exotic weapons, especially those agents who drive the presidential limo.

In conclusion, I do not care a whit if Greer had his arm up his ass, the shot which hit JFK in the head was a high-powered round, fired from a high-powered rifle, and it hit JFK in the back of the head. It was DEFINITELY not fired from a handgun. I challenge you to find any ballistics expert to say that it was.


Just so we are on the same page, Greer would have had to been packing something like this in order to achieve the sort of kinetic energy presented in the Zapruder film:

 

[7forever]

It is convoluted but the fake reflection only functioned as the gun for Zapruder. The real gun was lower, near his shoulder. This is proven accurate by looking at the frames immediately after the reflection falls off the passenger's head. Frame 318 is the fake reflection which I think they allowed to distract from the bleached gun that followed in 319. Notice in 320 that there's still a smidgen of white.

Zapruder Frames - Costella Combined Edit

 

[Crackerjack]

Just so we are on the same page, Greer would have had to been packing something like this in order to achieve the sort of kinetic energy presented in the Zapruder film:

Or he could have had a firearm that shot magic bullets.

 

[SigTurner]

It is convoluted but the fake reflection only functioned as the gun for Zapruder. The real gun was lower, near his shoulder. This is proven accurate by looking at the frames immediately after the reflection falls off the passenger's head. Frame 318 is the fake reflection which I think they allowed to distract from the bleached gun that followed in 319. Notice in 320 that there's still a smidgen of white.

You're just going to keep saying the same thing over and over, regardless of what anyone says to contradict your argument.

For the record, numnutz: What sort of weapon do you believe Greer to be using?

 

[daws101]

No, it is YOU who are conveniently ignoring the glaringly obvious fact that the head shot DID NOT and COULD NOT have come from a handgun. The kinetic energy demonstrated by the Zapruder film is clearly from a high powered weapon. What is more, the mass of energy cones outward from the front of the head demonstrating that the momentum of energy moved from the rear occipital region of the cranium toward the frontal region of the crannium. In other words, JFK was hit in the back of the head, not the front.

Now, kindly do us all a favor and desist with spamming up the boards with more reruns of your thoroughly idiotic theory until you can somehow demonstrate that Greer was in possession of a handgun that could fire high-powered rounds and that he was somehow able to shoot JFK in the back of the head with it.

You are clearly trolling because you lie because it is YOU who keeps making up b.s that he had a headshot from the back of the head when all the doctors said otherwise and you clearly know nothing at all about the laws of physics.The CIA had and has high powered handguns capable of that kind of force,the brain matter went back toward the limo,thats what Jackie is retrieving and landed on one of the motorcycle officers riding behind jackie.The only one ignoring things is you,you keep ignoring the FACT that the zapruder film was altered and everytime he asks you to explain why if his act was so innocent in turning around backwards pointing his left arm back towards kennedy in the unaltered nix film,you run away with your tail between your legs and refuse to comment.

You are clearly a dipshit who does not know his thumb from his dick.

All the doctors DID NOT say otherwise. What they did say is that much of the occipital and parietal portions of his cranium had been blown away. This is exactly the effect one would expect from a high-powered JHP round smashing into the rear of the skull.

If you and the other goof want to argue that the Zapruder film has been altered, then the sky is the limit as far theories go since the Zapruder film will no longer amount to reliable evidence and will have to be tossed out of serious discussion.

As for me, the Zapruder film is the most important piece of evidence that exists. I will go with what it presents because, without it, there is very little left to discuss. That being said, from what I see, the Zapruder film shows a high-powered round hitting JFK in the back of the head pushing a cone of blood and brain tissue forward, eviscerating much of the right cerebral hemisphere out of the more frontal side of the cranium.

The fact that part of JFK's skull and brain tissue fell backward onto the rear of the limo is not at all surprising. After all, the limo was moving forward. You do understand that this is a top-down convertible we are talking about, don't you?

As far as CIA agents toting high-powered handguns in 1963, I am not aware of it, nor is it relevant. Greer was Secret Service, not CIA. What I am aware of is the fact that Secret Service Agents do not typically carry such exotic weapons, especially those agents who drive the presidential limo.

In conclusion, I do not care a whit if Greer had his arm up his ass, the shot which hit JFK in the head was a high-powered round, fired from a high-powered rifle, and it hit JFK in the back of the head. It was DEFINITELY not fired from a handgun. I challenge you to find any ballistics expert to say that it was.


Just so we are on the same page, Greer would have had to been packing something like this in order to achieve the sort of kinetic energy presented in the Zapruder film:

according to 7 whatever there was a fake hand fake blood.
that hand cannon would be impossible to hide.

 

[Crackerjack]

according to 7 whatever there was a fake hand fake blood.
that hand cannon would be impossible to hide.

Especially for Greer. Poor guy probably suffered from the Irish Curse.

 

[daws101]

according to 7 whatever there was a fake hand fake blood.
that hand cannon would be impossible to hide.

Especially for Greer. Poor guy probably suffered from the Irish Curse.

you know what "they" say: "if you can't hit bottom bang the shit out of the sides!