The John Kennedy assassination ..who's who on the Grassy Knoll

[daws101]

By the way, the driver of the Presidential limo died in 1985.

So ... it matters so much now because ... ?

since he's dead, he can take the credit.

 

[Obamerican]

7foreskin is a ******* idiot. He posts the stupidest shit of anyone and he didn't even do the work. HE STEALS IT FROM OTHER IDIOTS.

 

[7forever]

Grassy knoll vs. Greer and logic always wins. Frames 312-313 function as the gun in Zapruder. If you watch the fake reflection closely, it separates from his head because Kellerman started moving forward. The second one is 312-314 and up close shows the recoil and clear separation.

 

[rightwinger]

Closeup photo of the Grassy Knoll

 

[SigTurner]

Grassy knoll vs. Greer and logic always wins.

Logic, you say.

Okay Copernicus, what sort of handgun is going to deliver that sort of energy?

What was Greer using, a .50 caliber Desert Eagle?


Please, see a doctor.

 

[7forever]

With this old copy you can see the cartoon gun, arm and hand form perfectly before the fake reflection jolts backward in perfect unison with the headshot. The fake blood mist appears just before official impact.

 

[daws101]

With this old copy you can see the cartoon gun, arm and hand form perfectly before the fake reflection jolts backward in perfect unison with the headshot. The fake blood mist appears just before official impact.

 

[SigTurner]

An interesting video on the subject:



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCVaYxOvcMs&feature=related]JFK - ASSASSINATED BY THE CIA BECAUSE HE STOPPED OPERATION NORTHWOODS! - YouTube[/ame]



Though I have serious doubts about a shot coming from the grassy knoll, this vid exposes some serious discrepancies with the findings of the Warren Commission, not the least of which is the plainly observable fact that the shot which hit JFK in the throat and the shot which hit Gov. Connelly absolutely had to be two different shots.

In other words, there were at least four shots fired, meaning that there had to be a second gunman.

What is more, the sort of destruction caused to the cranium by the head shot would not have have been caused by a FMJ round such that Oswald used. This shot was made by a much more frangible round such as a jacketed hollow point (JHP), which, incidentally, would have been much more appropriate for this particular assignment where a lethal head shot was required for immediate proof of termination.

 

[7forever]

Grassy knoll vs. Greer and logic always wins.

Logic, you say.

Okay Copernicus, what sort of handgun is going to deliver that sort of energy?

What was Greer using, a .50 caliber Desert Eagle?


Please, see a doctor.

Your point is moot for several reasons; Here are two. Both of Greer's hands were off the wheel 3.5 seconds before the fake hand appears to come off the wheel. During those seconds he placed the gun in his left hand and never placed it back on the wheel which is proven by his left arm crossing his right shoulder in the nix film. You simply ignore the pink elephant in the room and continue on with your nonsense.

I started this around frame 238 or so. 241 is where both hands are close together before he passes the gun.

Zapruder Frames - Costella Combined Edit

Cover-ups rarely make sense and that's why they are so easily exposed as such. The fake hand was created as a reason to say Greer could NOT have shot jfk because his hand was below the seat. The truth is coming out and going forward. Millions of people in this world are going to see exactly who shot jfk and exactly how he did it. You're using the fake evidence that proves Greer could not have done it and promoting that impossible shot..

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Yet Abraham Zapruder, a dressmaker and amateur photographer was able to 'shoot' the only comprehensive video of the assassination from the 'grassy knoll' without any problem. You know, the video you are able to compare the President's reaction to his wounds and shows clearly that Connolly is not yet hit.

So, what's your point?

I sincerely hope that you are not comparing the skill required for making an eight mm camera shot of a motorcade to that of making a sniper head shot on a target moving diagonally across field with any number of spectators blocking (including some guy with a Super 8 camera) and then making your exit without being apprehended.

Please, tell me you're not.

You are wrong. HERE is the view of Elm Street from the grassy knoll

The President's limousine would NOT be passing diagonally across. It would be approaching at an angle in between head on and diagonally. The President's limousine was traveling at about 10 mph. Not anywhere near highway speeds.

Also, the area behind the picket fence is railroad property. There are tracks and an employee parking lot.

There is more than one witness who saw men behind the picket fence. Here is Ed Hoffman, a deaf mute who was there that day.

Fast forward one minute to hear what Hoffman saw.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veVqYo9I5gg]What they saw Ed Hoffman - YouTube[/ame]

Here is Lee Bowers, a railroad supervisor who was in a tower where could see behind the picket fence.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_wP-kCdQPE]JFK - The Death of Eyewitness Lee Bowers - YouTube[/ame]

the trolls that say oswald was the lone assassin cant get around the ed hoffman or lee bowers story nor can they get around i think his name was arnorld rowland,the experienced combat officer who said a guy posing as a secret service agent told him to leave the area when he was trying to film JFK behind the fence and ordered out and then after the assassination,this experienced combat officer from ww2 said he knew from experience shots were coming from over his shoulder behind the fence so like Bill Newman who ducked and covered his kids saying he heard shots form behind him,also ducked and hit the ground.arnold then said the agent pointed a gun at him and insisted he turn it over to him.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Closeup photo of the Grassy Knoll

Love how the kid trolls say thanks to paid agent rightwinger.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Grassy knoll vs. Greer and logic always wins.

Logic, you say.

Okay Copernicus, what sort of handgun is going to deliver that sort of energy?

What was Greer using, a .50 caliber Desert Eagle?


Please, see a doctor.

Your point is moot for several reasons; Here are two. Both of Greer's hands were off the wheel 3.5 seconds before the fake hand appears to come off the wheel. During those seconds he placed the gun in his left hand and never placed it back on the wheel which is proven by his left arm crossing his right shoulder in the nix film. You simply ignore the pink elephant in the room and continue on with your nonsense.

I started this around frame 238 or so. 241 is where both hands are close together before he passes the gun.

Zapruder Frames - Costella Combined Edit

Cover-ups rarely make sense and that's why they are so easily exposed as such. The fake hand was created as a reason to say Greer could NOT have shot jfk because his hand was below the seat. The truth is coming out and going forward. Millions of people in this world are going to see exactly who shot jfk and exactly how he did it. You're using the fake evidence that proves Greer could not have done it and promoting that impossible shot..

Funny how he keeps ignoring your point that if Greer is innocent when you ask then why did they edit out his arm going across his body back towards kennedy in the altered zapruder film which the UNALTERED nix film clearly shows his left arm going backwards.

also someone mentioned earlier that Greer who had connections to the CIA,that why would he have done it when he only had two years left for retirement and a pension.Thats all the more reason WHY he would do it. Even if he wasnt connected to the CIA like he was,you got to remember,they would approach him and say -You either do this,or we will have one of our shooters we have lined up to take you out as well. self preservation is the one motivating factor for someone to do what they are told.

If its a choice between his life and keeping his retirement and pension and the life of the president,even if Greer WASNT evil which he obviously was since he was connected to the CIA,the choice would be simple and choose option A to kill the president and stay alive.Cant wait to get that book Murder From Within that you mentioned.I plan on buying that book really soon.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

My work has proven Greer was the fatal assassin but the 'Greer did it by accident' defense is the only possibility in the real world that would surely fail for many reasons.

thats what I was saying earlier is I can at LEAST respect the posters like that John Connor poster I mentioned that even though he doesnt want to believe that Greer did it,he at LEAST acknowledges the obvious in the nix film that Greer turns around and his left arm points backwards toward Kennedy unlike all the lone nut theorist trolls here. Like you said,thats the ONLY defense in the real world that they can muster is that he did it inadvertantly but fails for so many reasons especially for the fact that he was a trained agent who had HOURS upon hours of extensive training in what to do in that situation.thats the thing that proves beyond a doubt that it wasnt just mere carelessness by them as well because if it was,there should have been MULTIPLE firings for their incredible screwups and destruction of evidence yet nobody got fired.In the real world,if we screw up badly like they allegedly do at our jobs,we get fired for such incompetence.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

something else that was mentioned earlier MANY pages back is that Flecther Prouty the character that donald sutherland played in the movie,he was wrong that during parades,that windows are never down and he actually had a good point by showing pics of JFK when he was in berlin with windwos down,well the point prouty was making was that it was actually unprecedented for the ss not to scout in area like dallas days in and weeks in advance when there hasd been over a hundred deeath threats from dallas given to him.THAT was unprecendeted especailly since aldail stevenson had been apot on a week earlier.

 

[7forever]

I will make it simple for all the naysayers. Some things aren't supposed to be true but really are and rarely they are proven, like in the case of the driver shooting jfk. The only defense against this truth has been invalidated by showing that Greer's left arm/hand really did cross with the headshot. The illusion has been proven a reality.

Even if somehow a lot of people learn this truth, it won't change the world as much as it will confirm that some really absurd things have happened in America and been covered up by the gatekeepers (conspiracy theorists) and the mass media. The WWW solved this case, and more directly, youtube. The untruthers simply ignored that Greer had both hands off the wheel and skipped to the fake hand excuse. His left hand never returned to the wheel because it was going over his right shoulder during the headshot. A little enhancement worked wonders in making it crystal clear. Watch the area over his right shoulder pop with the headshot.

 

[Obamerican]

 

[SigTurner]

Your point is moot for several reasons; Here are two. Both of Greer's hands were off the wheel 3.5 seconds before the fake hand appears to come off the wheel. During those seconds he placed the gun in his left hand and never placed it back on the wheel which is proven by his left arm crossing his right shoulder in the nix film. You simply ignore the pink elephant in the room and continue on with your nonsense.

No, it is YOU who are conveniently ignoring the glaringly obvious fact that the head shot DID NOT and COULD NOT have come from a handgun. The kinetic energy demonstrated by the Zapruder film is clearly from a high powered weapon. What is more, the mass of energy cones outward from the front of the head demonstrating that the momentum of energy moved from the rear occipital region of the cranium toward the frontal region of the crannium. In other words, JFK was hit in the back of the head, not the front.

Now, kindly do us all a favor and desist with spamming up the boards with more reruns of your thoroughly idiotic theory until you can somehow demonstrate that Greer was in possession of a handgun that could fire high-powered rounds and that he was somehow able to shoot JFK in the back of the head with it.

 

[SigTurner]

the trolls that say oswald was the lone assassin cant get around the ed hoffman or lee bowers story nor can they get around i think his name was arnorld rowland,the experienced combat officer who said a guy posing as a secret service agent told him to leave the area when he was trying to film JFK behind the fence and ordered out and then after the assassination,this experienced combat officer from ww2 said he knew from experience shots were coming from over his shoulder behind the fence so like Bill Newman who ducked and covered his kids saying he heard shots form behind him,also ducked and hit the ground.arnold then said the agent pointed a gun at him and insisted he turn it over to him.

The problem with Ed Hoffman is that he keeps embellishing his story and appears to have made a cottage industry as a "witness" to the assassination.

Ed Hoffman -- Telltale Changes in His Story

The problem with Lee Bowers is that he really did not see anything of value. "A flash of light or some kind of disturbance" does not tell us much. For all we know, he caught sight of the reflection off the side-view mirror of a car as someone slammed the door. Fact is, he was too far away to make a detailed observation of the actions of two people standing by the stockade fence.


While it is possible that a shot came from the grassy knoll, it is difficult to believe that any any trained sniper would have chosen such a postion. It is far too exposed and far too awkward and unreliable for an assignment of this magnitude. The fact of the matter is that there were far better locations to nest a sniper in Dealey Plaza, not the least of which was the Dal-Tex building.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

the trolls that say oswald was the lone assassin cant get around the ed hoffman or lee bowers story nor can they get around i think his name was arnorld rowland,the experienced combat officer who said a guy posing as a secret service agent told him to leave the area when he was trying to film JFK behind the fence and ordered out and then after the assassination,this experienced combat officer from ww2 said he knew from experience shots were coming from over his shoulder behind the fence so like Bill Newman who ducked and covered his kids saying he heard shots form behind him,also ducked and hit the ground.arnold then said the agent pointed a gun at him and insisted he turn it over to him.

The problem with Ed Hoffman is that he keeps embellishing his story and appears to have made a cottage industry as a "witness" to the assassination.

Ed Hoffman -- Telltale Changes in His Story

The problem with Lee Bowers is that he really did not see anything of value. "A flash of light or some kind of disturbance" does not tell us much. For all we know, he caught sight of the reflection off the side-view mirror of a car as someone slammed the door. Fact is, he was too far away to make a detailed observation of the actions of two people standing by the stockade fence.


While it is possible that a shot came from the grassy knoll, it is difficult to believe that any any trained sniper would have chosen such a postion. It is far too exposed and far too awkward and unreliable for an assignment of this magnitude. The fact of the matter is that there were far better locations to nest a sniper in Dealey Plaza, not the least of which was the Dal-Tex building.

the problem with your ramblings is this below.

the problem with these theories of yours is every dallas doctor said it was an entrance wound to the front of the head and if you ever read the book KILL ZONE by Craig Roberts a police officer and former distinguished sniper from the marines in vietnam who is more qualified to speak on this than any of us,the shot from the back of the head is impossible in the fact that in his hundreds of kills in nam,he knew the warren commission was b.s in the fact that everytime he shot someone in nam in the back of the head,he vividly remembered their head going forwards which is in tune with the laws of physics and Sevens photo proves Roberts is telling the truth as well.That theory of being shot from the back of the head has been shreaded to pieces over the years and on this thread as well.It holds no water whatsoever.next subject.

so enough of this it came from the dal tex building b.s

oh and actually Hoffman doesnt embellish anything.unlike some of the other witnesses,his story has been consistant from day one.People say that he changes his story but whats actually happening is its not his story that has changed,its his interpreters who have changed and thats why the details are sometimes different is because Ed he gets excited when he tells his story,I know I have met the guy and got to ride with him to a dallas meeting once,he gets excited and starts telling his story so fast that his interpreters sometime think he will say something like gunshots when he just said gunshot or riflemen when he actually said RIFLEMAN. oh and the NET can make up anything.

This is just another attempt for them to slander Ed just like Posner the author of that bullshit book CASE CLOSED which endorces the warren commission.Thats how we know that Rightwinger troll who came on earlier,is a disinfo agent troll that has penetrated this site.That book has been shredded to pieces for the propaganda tand lies that it is.It endorces the warren commission and Posner attacks Hoffman making up all these lies saying he said this and that in his book.

I spoke to Ed about it and Ed told me he was in tears over posners slanderous attacks saying he never said any of those things Posner said he did.There is a book out there that debunks Posners book in spades called CASE OPEN and it calls out Posners lies and propaganda.Rightwinger troll refused to take me up on that challenge to read it because he knows Posners book is B.s.Posner in fact was even invited to come to a confernce in dallas in november to talk about his book and debate it amongst researchers and that troll was such a coward,he turned them down and did not show up because he knew people like Jim Marrs or Mark Lane and other researchers,would humiliate him and he would leave with his tail between his legs. Posner lies so much in his book about Ed so much its pathetic and this piece is just another attempt by them to try and slander him.

for a long time he had different interpreters so we were hearing storys a little different everytime and Ed would later have to write out to someone when they asked him about something,that they quoted him wrong and write out what he ACTUALLY said.Because of that,he started using someone who became friends with him as his regular interpreter all the time and even HE has once in while has to correct himself because he finds himself misinterpreting what he says but no,Ed wrote a book and everything in his book is exactly how he says he saw it. AGAIN,the grassy knoll shooter and the shooter behind the underpass and the shooter behind the concrete fence amongst others were there as diversions to get everybody chasing them and their attention away from Greer.

thats why that gunman was there on the knoll was to get everybody to think he had fired the kill shot instead of Greer. Oh and Hoffman and many others died very mysteriously after giving testimony that did not fit the warren commissions version of events so Hoffman was obviously a dangerous loose cannon for them.for so many people to die in such mysterious deaths like they did,it was determined that the odds were something like a several million to one.Dont quote me on that cause I dont know the exact number.but its out there on the net that its something similiar to that.Matter of fact some witnesses that were there that day who saw something different than the actual events the warren commission gave,they kept quiet for a couple decades or so when so many people like Bowers for instance,started dying in such strange myserious deaths but now have broken their silence in recent years since they wont be around much longer and dont care anymore.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Your point is moot for several reasons; Here are two. Both of Greer's hands were off the wheel 3.5 seconds before the fake hand appears to come off the wheel. During those seconds he placed the gun in his left hand and never placed it back on the wheel which is proven by his left arm crossing his right shoulder in the nix film. You simply ignore the pink elephant in the room and continue on with your nonsense.

No, it is YOU who are conveniently ignoring the glaringly obvious fact that the head shot DID NOT and COULD NOT have come from a handgun. The kinetic energy demonstrated by the Zapruder film is clearly from a high powered weapon. What is more, the mass of energy cones outward from the front of the head demonstrating that the momentum of energy moved from the rear occipital region of the cranium toward the frontal region of the crannium. In other words, JFK was hit in the back of the head, not the front.

Now, kindly do us all a favor and desist with spamming up the boards with more reruns of your thoroughly idiotic theory until you can somehow demonstrate that Greer was in possession of a handgun that could fire high-powered rounds and that he was somehow able to shoot JFK in the back of the head with it.

You are clearly trolling because you lie because it is YOU who keeps making up b.s that he had a headshot from the back of the head when all the doctors said otherwise and you clearly know nothing at all about the laws of physics.The CIA had and has high powered handguns capable of that kind of force,the brain matter went back toward the limo,thats what Jackie is retrieving and landed on one of the motorcycle officers riding behind jackie.The only one ignoring things is you,you keep ignoring the FACT that the zapruder film was altered and everytime he asks you to explain why if his act was so innocent in turning around backwards pointing his left arm back towards kennedy in the unaltered nix film,you run away with your tail between your legs and refuse to comment.