Minneapolis shooting - who's to blame?

[DigitalDrifter]

No doubt she thought being a white woman she could threaten and instigate LE and not get shot.
Interesting how the overwhelming majority of protesting against ICE is white people.

It's the 'Karen Intifada'.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Minneapolis shooting - who's to blame?​

Joe Biden, if not for his decision to open up the borders, ICE wouldn't have been there.

Isabella I of Castille. Without her there is no Columbus expedition.

 

[Meister]

Isabella I of Castille. Without her there is no Columbus expedition.

A very stupid response, Zink. Lay off the hooch.

 

[Zincwarrior]

A very stupid response, Zink. Lay off the hooch.

Art is never appreciated in the Century its produced!

 

[Independent thinker]

This was a tragedy that should not have happened, and IMHO there are a number of people who deserve some blame for what transpired, starting with the shooter. He took out his gun, did she see it? If so, the prudent thing to do is to do as she's told by the ICE agents without resistance. She doesn't, tries to leave. I do not believe she ever had any intent to injure the ICE guy, she just wanted to get outta there. Even if she didn't see the gun, there comes a point where you gotta stop what you're doing. Put the car in Part and turn off the car and then unlock the door. Truth is, she crossed the line between exercising her 1st Amendment Rights and obstructing ICE agents doing their duty. Woulda been better for everybody except maybe the motherfucking mayor and governor if she had stayed outta the street.

Then there's the shooter, who was dragged last June. So help me, I don't see him acting in self-defense, he woulda been hyper-aware of the driver and the car and IMHO was prepared to get out of the way. Instead, he draws his gun. I think he was concerned about the ICE agent with his hand inside the car trying to open the door. He didn't want his fellow officer to get dragged like he did 6 months ago. If so, that's legit. What I don't know is at what point the non-shooter agent was free from the car. If neither agent was in danger of serious injury at that point then there's no reason to shoot the driver.

I kinda have a problem with the motherfucking mayor and governor and the other demagogues that were stirring up the pot and raising emotions. All that fiery rhetoric absolutely helps nothing except make those assholes more popular to their political base. But that's how you get people on the ground making mistakes and errors in judgement. It's hard for me to justify impeding LE people who are doing their jobs; protest if you want but stay on the ******* sidewalk, ICE has every right and even a duty to arrest those who obstruct them in the performance of their duty. Don't like it? Don't agree? Tough shit. Vote next November. Bring a lawsuit. But don't put yourself in harm's way. When you see a gun it's time to reassess what you're doing.

Where was the ******* MPD? They shoulda been there doing crowd control. Did you see any cops? I haven't. Maybe if a cop had told her to move her car instead of the ICE guy, things woulda been different? We'll never know. Move now or I'll arrest you. Sometimes it works. Maybe the ICE shooter wouldn't have been in the position he was, maybe it woulda been a cop. Who knows, maybe there wouldn't have been a shooting.

I only need a few sentences to say how this could have been avoided. You don't interfere and get in the face of law enforcement doing their jobs. That can't possibly end well. Protests are protests. ******* with ICE is not protesting.

 

[IM2]

ICE is at fault.

 

[Zincwarrior]

ICE is at fault.

What did ICE ever do you?

 

[Meister]

What did ICE ever do you?
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He was born white, therefore........

 

[OODA_Loop]

It wasn’t a busy street. There wasn’t some stack of traffic behind her. There were two lanes. She blocked one.

It is two lane road....she was making people go into the oncoming lane of traffic. Blowing her horn for three minutes.

 

[Zincwarrior]

He was born white, therefore........

Seriously though, the only question I have is why are there 3,000 ICE agents in a city lof less than 500K, vs. say Dallas or Atlanta?

 

[krichton]

To impede means to make forward progress more difficult, which she was doing. You saw her waving people on, right? She was making people slow down, and that is impeding. Which she was doing on purpose, not only to the other cars but to the ICE agents to slow or hamper what they were doing.

The SUV that drove by did so fine, without slowing down even. Why could have ICE have done the same?

"An ICE agent has no legal authority to reach into your car."

Sure about that, are you? I think they can if you are impeding them in the performance of their duties.

No, minor traffic violations are not probable cause for a search, which is what reaching into a car is. Courts have upheld that this is a constitutional violation. In fact, federal officers have even less authority than a local cop in this instance.

If ICE or anyone else violates your 4th Amendment rights or any other civil right that you have under the Constitution then you have legal recourse to sue 'em. But you do not have the authority to hinder ICE agents or any other LE agency from doing their legal duty and BTW you don't get to make that distinction. You can exercise your 1st Amendments rights to voice your concerns but you hafta stay the hell outta the way and if you don't then they have the right to arrest you cuz that is illegal (federal law). And that means an ICE agent can reach inside your car to open the door and pull you outta there.

At best, Good was guilty of a minor traffic violation by being in the middle of the road but not enough to stop traffic from crossing. This doesn't fall under the authority of ICE.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

ICE is at fault.

Which one?

 

[task0778]

Seriously though, the only question I have is why are there 3,000 ICE agents in a city lof less than 500K, vs. say Dallas or Atlanta?

While the exact number is not publicly known, it is believed that up to 2,000 federal agents could be in Minneapolis metro area.

Probably more being deployed there as we speak. Why do you ask?

 

[Marener]

It is two lane road....she was making people go into the oncoming lane of traffic. Blowing her horn for three minutes.

It’s a one way road. No one has to drive into oncoming traffic.

 

[krichton]

It is two lane road....she was making people go into the oncoming lane of traffic. Blowing her horn for three minutes.

Yes, it's a two lane road, for cars to travel in the same direction.

 

[task0778]

The SUV that drove by did so fine, without slowing down even. Why could have ICE have done the same?



No, minor traffic violations are not probable cause for a search, which is what reaching into a car is. Courts have upheld that this is a constitutional violation. In fact, federal officers have even less authority than a local cop in this instance.



At best, Good was guilty of a minor traffic violation by being in the middle of the road but not enough to stop traffic from crossing. This doesn't fall under the authority of ICE.

ICE agents have the authority to arrest anyone if they are impeding an ongoing ICE operation, which is a federal crime. And I believe they have the right to pull you out of your car in the process of arresting you. This was not about a minor traffic violation and I think you know that.

 

[Meister]

Seriously though, the only question I have is why are there 3,000 ICE agents in a city lof less than 500K, vs. say Dallas or Atlanta?

There were 2000 and they are deploying several hundred more because of the protests.
I've tried looking at ICE agent counts other cities, and couldn't find any numbers.
So, I don't know if the 2000 is out of whack or not. The Twin Cities metro population
is 3.6 mil. approx.

 

[Marener]

There were 2000 and they are deploying several hundred more because of the protests.
I've tried looking at ICE agent counts other cities, and couldn't find any numbers.
So, I don't know if the 2000 is out of whack or not. The Twin Cities metro population
is 3.6 mil. approx.

Seems like a huge waste of manpower. Thousands of agents wandering around and demanding to see the IDs of minorities.

 

[OODA_Loop]

It’s a one way road. No one has to drive into oncoming traffic.

You're right.

I was wrong and stand corrected.

Thank you.

 

[krichton]

ICE agents have the authority to arrest anyone if they are impeding an ongoing ICE operation, which is a federal crime. And I believe they have the right to pull you out of your car in the process of arresting you. This was not about a minor traffic violation and I think you know that.

Directly impede an investigation, yes, violate the 4th amendment over a minor traffic violation, absolutely not.