The Jews and the Native Americans

[Michelle420]

Why don't the palestinians open up all the borders and offer to share it with everyone including the small strip of land ?

<snip>

...What's the problem?

They don't control their borders.

Well how are they going to control the small strip of land then>?

 

[MHunterB]

"hey, why don't we let the mennonites in southeastern PA expel non-amish and set up their own country seperaste from the USA. we could call it a two state solution.
Mennonites are not Amish, for one. And - like the Amish - they are one of the 'Peace Churches' and explicitly renounce violence *even in self-defense* That's my 'back yard' you're talking about, Lancaster Cty PA and it's also where we plan to retire : ))

Another problem with you silly 'analogy' there is that the Israelis did *not* toss out all the 'Palestinians' in Israel: about 20% of Israelis are 'ethnic Palestinians' who vote, hold elected office, and are fully-participating citizens. The Christian minority community in Israel is *growing*: it's the only one in all the ME which is growing.

you want to call P F a bigot just to discredit him then we will revisit the flagpole of your choice. i have never seen him say anything bigoted even when provoked. "
Ah, sealie - how many times must it be explained to you? Simply because you don't see a thing, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. No human's vision is perfect. And you've yet to give Hoss or anyone else here a reason to place your perceptions of a situation over their own.

What credentials do you present us to justify such preference for your personal views? Just what - IYHO - makes your personal POV superior to someone else's?

 

[Coyote]

Why don't the palestinians open up all the borders and offer to share it with everyone including the small strip of land ?

<snip>

...What's the problem?

They don't control their borders.

Well how are they going to control the small strip of land then>?

They don't.

 

[toastman]

Palestinians are not responsible for what Arab countries outside Palestine did. Ethnic cleansing in Palestine has been by Israel.

Our Jerusalem.com -

This article is 'sourced' so one can refer to the original documentation. It's *not* just an 'opinion' : the quotes are real.

I'd like to see your 'proof' that not a single Jewish resident of the Mandate area was removed from their home by any Arab during the 20th C. There was an entire spread in LIFE magazine showing the (Jordanian) Arab army forcing the Jewish residents out of East Jerusalem in 1948: I know you've seen those photos before, and I'm shocked that you could 'forget' them. Those Jerusalemites had lived in what was then known as 'the Jewish Quarter' for centuries: the UN-associated links you've put up document the heavy concentration of Jewish residence in/near Jerusalem, Haifa, and a few other cities.

I've ALREADY stated that I am not 'blaming' the Palestinians for what other Arabs did (although as a 'nationality', over half of Jordan was 'Palestinian' before 1948, so it wouldn't be totally baseless) - you need to pay attention and stop claiming I did that. (I'll be reminding you of this the next time you try screeching that I've put words in your mouth.)

If the Israelis must pay for pushing out Palestinians - then what is the problem with the Palestinians paying for any people they MAY have pushed out, in theory? Is that not fair?

I never suggested and did not suppose that such numbers of evicted Jews would be a large one: I don't think the 950,000 Arab Jews cast out from AL countries includes that number.

The AL nations which refused to allow the Pals to leave the 'camps' or get citizenship or hold jobs in their nations are *also* responsible for the collective misery of the Palestinian people. How can anyone pretend to care about the Palestinians, yet refuse to acknowledge the AL nations continually pursuing policies to the detriment of the Palestinians time and again?

As I have said, Palestinians are not responsible for what Arab nations do, not what Arab nations did outside Palestine. They are not responsible for what Arab nations did inside Palestine either.

Palestinians are not responsible for anything at all right? All of their problems are a result of other nations/peoples actions, right?

 

[Coyote]

Our Jerusalem.com -

This article is 'sourced' so one can refer to the original documentation. It's *not* just an 'opinion' : the quotes are real.

I'd like to see your 'proof' that not a single Jewish resident of the Mandate area was removed from their home by any Arab during the 20th C. There was an entire spread in LIFE magazine showing the (Jordanian) Arab army forcing the Jewish residents out of East Jerusalem in 1948: I know you've seen those photos before, and I'm shocked that you could 'forget' them. Those Jerusalemites had lived in what was then known as 'the Jewish Quarter' for centuries: the UN-associated links you've put up document the heavy concentration of Jewish residence in/near Jerusalem, Haifa, and a few other cities.

I've ALREADY stated that I am not 'blaming' the Palestinians for what other Arabs did (although as a 'nationality', over half of Jordan was 'Palestinian' before 1948, so it wouldn't be totally baseless) - you need to pay attention and stop claiming I did that. (I'll be reminding you of this the next time you try screeching that I've put words in your mouth.)

If the Israelis must pay for pushing out Palestinians - then what is the problem with the Palestinians paying for any people they MAY have pushed out, in theory? Is that not fair?

I never suggested and did not suppose that such numbers of evicted Jews would be a large one: I don't think the 950,000 Arab Jews cast out from AL countries includes that number.

The AL nations which refused to allow the Pals to leave the 'camps' or get citizenship or hold jobs in their nations are *also* responsible for the collective misery of the Palestinian people. How can anyone pretend to care about the Palestinians, yet refuse to acknowledge the AL nations continually pursuing policies to the detriment of the Palestinians time and again?

As I have said, Palestinians are not responsible for what Arab nations do, not what Arab nations did outside Palestine. They are not responsible for what Arab nations did inside Palestine either.

Palestinians are not responsible for anything at all right? All of their problems are a result of other nations/peoples actions, right?

She didn't say that Toast:
Palestinians are responsible for what Palestinians do.
Syrians are responsible for what Syrians do.
Iranians are responsible for what Iranians do.
Israeli's are responsible for what Israeli's do.

You get the trend here ya?

 

[Michelle420]

They don't control their borders.

Well how are they going to control the small strip of land then>?

They don't.

So anyone can live in all of the surrounding areas without any kind of muslim stipulations.

If that's the case then people should just move to all the surrounding areas and popuilate it with some diversity.

 

[toastman]

As I have said, Palestinians are not responsible for what Arab nations do, not what Arab nations did outside Palestine. They are not responsible for what Arab nations did inside Palestine either.

Palestinians are not responsible for anything at all right? All of their problems are a result of other nations/peoples actions, right?

She didn't say that Toast:
Palestinians are responsible for what Palestinians do.
Syrians are responsible for what Syrians do.
Iranians are responsible for what Iranians do.
Israeli's are responsible for what Israeli's do.

You get the trend here ya?

I know, but I never once saw a pro-Palestinian here blame the Palestinians for ANYTHING concerning their issues

 

[Coyote]

Well how are they going to control the small strip of land then>?

They don't.

So anyone can live in all of the surrounding areas without any kind of muslim stipulations.

What surrounding areas?

If that's the case then people should just move to all the surrounding areas and popuilate it with some diversity.

What surrounding areas?

 

[Coyote]

Palestinians are not responsible for anything at all right? All of their problems are a result of other nations/peoples actions, right?

She didn't say that Toast:
Palestinians are responsible for what Palestinians do.
Syrians are responsible for what Syrians do.
Iranians are responsible for what Iranians do.
Israeli's are responsible for what Israeli's do.

You get the trend here ya?

I know, but I never once saw a pro-Palestinian here blame the Palestinians for ANYTHING concerning their issues

Oh, I don't know about that - they haven't done themselves any favors with civilian-targeted terrorism. They're pursuing a better route with the UN.

 

[Michelle420]

They don't.

So anyone can live in all of the surrounding areas without any kind of muslim stipulations.

What surrounding areas?

If that's the case then people should just move to all the surrounding areas and popuilate it with some diversity.

What surrounding areas?

Geography of Israel-Palestine. Maps Don't Lie!

 

[Coyote]

So anyone can live in all of the surrounding areas without any kind of muslim stipulations.

What surrounding areas?

If that's the case then people should just move to all the surrounding areas and popuilate it with some diversity.

What surrounding areas?

Geography of Israel-Palestine. Maps Don't Lie!

So....I'm not clear on the point you are attempting to make. It sounds something like this:

Palestinians don't control their own borders therefore they should all move out into the other countries.

Correct?

 

[flowery]

which book is older?

which one you mean ,,

the Holly Qur'an or the "Twisted Torah"

 

[Michelle420]

What surrounding areas?



What surrounding areas?

Geography of Israel-Palestine. Maps Don't Lie!

So....I'm not clear on the point you are attempting to make. It sounds something like this:

Palestinians don't control their own borders therefore they should all move out into the other countries.

Correct?

No.

You said they don't control it.

I have no idea.

I was just asking questions.

The whole thing seems so weird to me.

I was just trying to understand why it's such a big deal to give one strip of land to people other then muslims.

If that isn't the issue then tell me what the issue is from your point of view.

 

[Michelle420]

which book is older?

which one you mean ,,

the Holly Qur'an or the "Twisted Torah"

Yeah which book is older, do we have any archeology that dates them both?

 

[sealadaigh]

"hey, why don't we let the mennonites in southeastern PA expel non-amish and set up their own country seperaste from the USA. we could call it a two state solution.
Mennonites are not Amish, for one. And - like the Amish - they are one of the 'Peace Churches' and explicitly renounce violence *even in self-defense* That's my 'back yard' you're talking about, Lancaster Cty PA and it's also where we plan to retire : ))

Another problem with you silly 'analogy' there is that the Israelis did *not* toss out all the 'Palestinians' in Israel: about 20% of Israelis are 'ethnic Palestinians' who vote, hold elected office, and are fully-participating citizens. The Christian minority community in Israel is *growing*: it's the only one in all the ME which is growing.

you want to call P F a bigot just to discredit him then we will revisit the flagpole of your choice. i have never seen him say anything bigoted even when provoked. "
Ah, sealie - how many times must it be explained to you? Simply because you don't see a thing, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. No human's vision is perfect. And you've yet to give Hoss or anyone else here a reason to place your perceptions of a situation over their own.

What credentials do you present us to justify such preference for your personal views? Just what - IYHO - makes your personal POV superior to someone else's?

The Amish (/&#712;&#593;&#720;m&#618;&#643;/ AH-mish; Pennsylvania Dutch: Amisch, German: Amische), sometimes referred to as Amish Mennonites, are a group of traditionalist Christian church fellowships that form a subgroup of the Mennonite churches.

Amish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i said "expel", not "toss out" but it is nice of you to acknowledge the right of return. if that 20% had fled, they would not be israeli citisens, they would be in fefugee camps.

and why the hell do you think i said "i have never seen" instead of P F has never said". P F is perhaps the least antagonistic posters on this board and for hoss to portray him as a bigot, hoss, comrade of roudy, MJB, prout vet...is absurd.

patience maggie. you are far to eager for the kill.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

She didn't say that Toast:
Palestinians are responsible for what Palestinians do.
Syrians are responsible for what Syrians do.
Iranians are responsible for what Iranians do.
Israeli's are responsible for what Israeli's do.

You get the trend here ya?

I know, but I never once saw a pro-Palestinian here blame the Palestinians for ANYTHING concerning their issues

Oh, I don't know about that - they haven't done themselves any favors with civilian-targeted terrorism. They're pursuing a better route with the UN.

Not only terrorism, but refusing generous offers by Barak and Olmert, to keep this wound festering.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Why don't we throw everyone out of New Jersey and give it to Israel. After all, those people have the rest of the US to live in.

Not similar at all, regardless of what your Imam told you.

IF the USA joined a coalition to conquer the world, as the Ottoman Empire did in WWI, AND the USA lost, thus falling under the dominion of the victors, as the Ottomans did. AND if the victors declared the colonial holdings of the USA forfeited as the the victorious Allies did with the Ottoman Empire, THEN colonial holdings such as Guam, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands might be returned to the indigenous owners, as was done with Israel.

 

[Hossfly]

which book is older?

which one you mean ,,

the Holly Qur'an or the "Twisted Torah"

Yeah which book is older, do we have any archeology that dates them both?

A little history. Of course the Koran is thousands of years older, according to my Muslim neighbor.


Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[sealadaigh]

Palestinians are not responsible for anything at all right? All of their problems are a result of other nations/peoples actions, right?

She didn't say that Toast:
Palestinians are responsible for what Palestinians do.
Syrians are responsible for what Syrians do.
Iranians are responsible for what Iranians do.
Israeli's are responsible for what Israeli's do.

You get the trend here ya?

I know, but I never once saw a pro-Palestinian here blame the Palestinians for ANYTHING concerning their issues

i have frequently said their tactics sucked and they have no idea how to win this struggle. the only thing that keeps them in the game is that they have a just cause and will not give up on that cause.

they will learn how to win...sort of like bernadette devlin said..."Yesterday I dared to struggle. Today I dare to win."

Bernadette Devlin Quotes - BrainyQuote

 

[MHunterB]

I asked questions.

You replied with this?

Which book is older>?

Are you religious at all?

The "Land of Israel", there is no such thing in the Bible, except references to a short livef kingdom that existed for a short time over 2000 years ago. Example In the book of Tolbit, the phrase land of Israel appears, but only used there to specifically refer to the territory within that kingdom of Israel. Tolbit 14:6 Another example, 2 Chronicles 34:7. What I find is about 13 verses in the Bible using that term and it was only used to refer to that short lived kingdom that ended over 2000 years ago.

Sherri, I did not ask about "the land of israel" at all I asked you which book is older.

If you don't know just say so.

The Hebrew Bible is older (by at least 200 years?) than the NT and both are older than the Qu'ran (written ca 690 CE). I don't have exact dates, and of course some parts of the HB and NT each are older than others (of same Scripture). The Qu'ran appears to have been written down all at once: the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures were written down from earlier oral traditions over different periods of time.

That was the 'non-religious' answer, aiming for historical fact and ignoring religious doctrine.