The Jews and the Native Americans

[MHunterB]

"Why don't we throw everyone out of New Jersey and give it to Israel. After all, those people have the rest of the US to live in."

I can only answer this joke with another joke.

It's obvious this poster hasn't spent time in New Joisey: all the tolls on all the bridges are paid by people *leaving* Jersey because they know people are willing to pay to get out!

 

[Michelle420]

"Why don't we throw everyone out of New Jersey and give it to Israel. After all, those people have the rest of the US to live in."

I can only answer this joke with another joke.

It's obvious this poster hasn't spent time in New Joisey: all the tolls on all the bridges are paid by people *leaving* Jersey because they know people are willing to pay to get out!

I still don't understand why sheery, reah, or tinmore even care what happens.

What's in it for them ?

 

[flowery]

which book is older?

which one you mean ,,

the Holly Qur'an or the "Twisted Torah"

Yeah which book is older, do we have any archeology that dates them both?

You know the answer very well ,, why do ask ?

If the theory is older or book is older , that doesn't mean they are true
And if you think so ,, it means that you understand things in a wrong way

but ,,

this video will answer your question :

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlA22NNFlDw]FULL - Is the Bible God's Word - Ahmed Deedat Vs. Jimmy Swaggart - YouTube[/ame]

or you can come here ,,

http://ahmed-deedat.net/wps/modules.php?name=IslamicMedia&choice=cat&catid=2



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLSj0mLPkA]Is The Bible God's Word Question and Answer and Review Sheikh Ahmed Deedat - YouTube[/ame]

or you can go to this web site it will answer all your question about the Bible

http://ahmed-deedat.net/wps/modules.php?name=IslamicMedia&choice=cat&catid=2

 

[P F Tinmore]

"Why don't we throw everyone out of New Jersey and give it to Israel. After all, those people have the rest of the US to live in."

I can only answer this joke with another joke.

It's obvious this poster hasn't spent time in New Joisey: all the tolls on all the bridges are paid by people *leaving* Jersey because they know people are willing to pay to get out!

I have been there. It is no prize.

It was once called the "stupid law" capital of the US. Since then, I think other states are trying to win that recognition.

 

[Michelle420]

which one you mean ,,

the Holly Qur'an or the "Twisted Torah"

Yeah which book is older, do we have any archeology that dates them both?

You know the answer very well ,, why do ask ?

If the theory is older or book is older , that doesn't mean they are true
And if you think so ,, it means that you understand things in a wrong way

but ,,

this video will answer your question :

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlA22NNFlDw]FULL - Is the Bible God's Word - Ahmed Deedat Vs. Jimmy Swaggart - YouTube[/ame]

or you can come here ,,

http://ahmed-deedat.net/wps/modules.php?name=IslamicMedia&choice=cat&catid=2



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLSj0mLPkA]Is The Bible God's Word Question and Answer and Review Sheikh Ahmed Deedat - YouTube[/ame]

or you can go to this web site it will answer all your question about the Bible

flowery are you religious?

I am not.

Thanks for at least answering the question from your point of view.

 

[Coyote]

Geography of Israel-Palestine. Maps Don't Lie!

So....I'm not clear on the point you are attempting to make. It sounds something like this:

Palestinians don't control their own borders therefore they should all move out into the other countries.

Correct?

No.

You said they don't control it.

I have no idea.

I was just asking questions.

The whole thing seems so weird to me.

I was just trying to understand why it's such a big deal to give one strip of land to people other then muslims.

If that isn't the issue then tell me what the issue is from your point of view.

Ah, well that's the fallacy.

It's not a religious issue.

It's an issue regarding the rights of self determination for two groups of people: the Palestinians and the Israeli's.

The Israeli's have their strip and the Palestinians want their own strip. The argument is borders and how the two nations will interact to guarantee sovereignty and security.

Why is giving Palestinians a state such a big deal? Cause they are Muslim?

 

[Michelle420]

which one you mean ,,

the Holly Qur'an or the "Twisted Torah"

Yeah which book is older, do we have any archeology that dates them both?

You know the answer very well ,, why do ask ?

If the theory is older or book is older , that doesn't mean they are true
And if you think so ,, it means that you understand things in a wrong way

Why I ask the question is because I want a general consensus of which came first, since to both sides it seems to be important.

Historically in every country there has been tribal disputes over beliefs which were socially constructed to govern each tribe.

I just want to develop a timeline for each sides belief.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So....I'm not clear on the point you are attempting to make. It sounds something like this:

Palestinians don't control their own borders therefore they should all move out into the other countries.

Correct?

No.

You said they don't control it.

I have no idea.

I was just asking questions.

The whole thing seems so weird to me.

I was just trying to understand why it's such a big deal to give one strip of land to people other then muslims.

If that isn't the issue then tell me what the issue is from your point of view.

Ah, well that's the fallacy.

It's not a religious issue.

It's an issue regarding the rights of self determination for two groups of people: the Palestinians and the Israeli's.

The Israeli's have their strip and the Palestinians want their own strip. The argument is borders and how the two nations will interact to guarantee sovereignty and security.

Why is giving Palestinians a state such a big deal? Cause they are Muslim?

Interesting that most Palestinians aren't pushing to get "a state."

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yeah which book is older, do we have any archeology that dates them both?

You know the answer very well ,, why do ask ?

If the theory is older or book is older , that doesn't mean they are true
And if you think so ,, it means that you understand things in a wrong way

Why I ask the question is because I want a general consensus of which came first, since to both sides it seems to be important.

Historically in every country there has been tribal disputes over beliefs which were socially constructed to govern each tribe.

I just want to develop a timeline for each sides belief.

Why? This is not a religious conflict.

 

[Michelle420]

So....I'm not clear on the point you are attempting to make. It sounds something like this:

Palestinians don't control their own borders therefore they should all move out into the other countries.

Correct?

No.

You said they don't control it.

I have no idea.

I was just asking questions.

The whole thing seems so weird to me.

I was just trying to understand why it's such a big deal to give one strip of land to people other then muslims.

If that isn't the issue then tell me what the issue is from your point of view.

Ah, well that's the fallacy.

It's not a religious issue.

It's an issue regarding the rights of self determination for two groups of people: the Palestinians and the Israeli's.

The Israeli's have their strip and the Palestinians want their own strip. The argument is borders and how the two nations will interact to guarantee sovereignty and security.

Why is giving Palestinians a state such a big deal? Cause they are Muslim?

Don't they share it right now?

Those countries surrounding Israel are primarily muslim? mixed religions, jewish?

Do Palestinians control the 5 countries surrounding it and will they feel it a big deal to coop those countries with the Jews?

As of right now I am understanding the strip is already shared but palestinians just want the whole thing and want the jews to leave.

The jews share is begrudgingly, they really want the whole strip of land to themself.

But both share it.

What do you think the best solution is?

 

[flowery]

The Hebrew Bible is older (by at least 200 years?) than the NT and both are older than the Qu'ran (written ca 690 CE). I don't have exact dates, and of course some parts of the HB and NT each are older than others (of same Scripture). The Qu'ran appears to have been written down all at once: the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures were written down from earlier oral traditions over different periods of time.

That was the 'non-religious' answer, aiming for historical fact and ignoring religious doctrine.

Yes, the Bible is older but ,,

that doesn't mean it is a true book, there are evidence in the Bible tells that it is not the word of God

Scientific miracles in the Quran shows that this book is the right book
there is no contradictions in it
Is never gone wrong
Although there are some people who want to raise suspicions, but scientists have answers for each suspicion

And you can search for scientific miracles in the Quran, which shows its sincerity

 

[Michelle420]

You know the answer very well ,, why do ask ?

If the theory is older or book is older , that doesn't mean they are true
And if you think so ,, it means that you understand things in a wrong way

Why I ask the question is because I want a general consensus of which came first, since to both sides it seems to be important.

Historically in every country there has been tribal disputes over beliefs which were socially constructed to govern each tribe.

I just want to develop a timeline for each sides belief.

Why? This is not a religious conflict.

Ok so why does either side care about the land then?

 

[Coyote]

No.

You said they don't control it.

I have no idea.

I was just asking questions.

The whole thing seems so weird to me.

I was just trying to understand why it's such a big deal to give one strip of land to people other then muslims.

If that isn't the issue then tell me what the issue is from your point of view.

Ah, well that's the fallacy.

It's not a religious issue.

It's an issue regarding the rights of self determination for two groups of people: the Palestinians and the Israeli's.

The Israeli's have their strip and the Palestinians want their own strip. The argument is borders and how the two nations will interact to guarantee sovereignty and security.

Why is giving Palestinians a state such a big deal? Cause they are Muslim?

Interesting that most Palestinians aren't pushing to get "a state."

What are they pushing for?

There is still more support than not for a two state solution: PSR poll 45 - Full analysis

Though less hope of success.

 

[Michelle420]

The Hebrew Bible is older (by at least 200 years?) than the NT and both are older than the Qu'ran (written ca 690 CE). I don't have exact dates, and of course some parts of the HB and NT each are older than others (of same Scripture). The Qu'ran appears to have been written down all at once: the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures were written down from earlier oral traditions over different periods of time.

That was the 'non-religious' answer, aiming for historical fact and ignoring religious doctrine.

Yes, the Bible is older but ,,

that doesn't mean it is a true book, there are evidence in the Bible tells that it is not the word of God

Scientific miracles in the Quran shows that this book is the right book
there is no contradictions in it
Is never gone wrong
Although there are some people who want to raise suspicions, but scientists have answers for each suspicion

And you can search for scientific miracles in the Quran, which shows its sincerity

In your opinion what is the reason for the land dispute?

 

[Coyote]

You know the answer very well ,, why do ask ?

If the theory is older or book is older , that doesn't mean they are true
And if you think so ,, it means that you understand things in a wrong way

Why I ask the question is because I want a general consensus of which came first, since to both sides it seems to be important.

Historically in every country there has been tribal disputes over beliefs which were socially constructed to govern each tribe.

I just want to develop a timeline for each sides belief.

Why? This is not a religious conflict.

Exactly - the Palestinians included Muslims, Christians, Jews, and Druze though most Jews went with Israel.

 

[Michelle420]

Ah, well that's the fallacy.

It's not a religious issue.

It's an issue regarding the rights of self determination for two groups of people: the Palestinians and the Israeli's.

The Israeli's have their strip and the Palestinians want their own strip. The argument is borders and how the two nations will interact to guarantee sovereignty and security.

Why is giving Palestinians a state such a big deal? Cause they are Muslim?

Interesting that most Palestinians aren't pushing to get "a state."

What are they pushing for?

There is still more support than not for a two state solution: PSR poll 45 - Full analysis

Though less hope of success.

Since it is not religious tell me why they are fighting over this land for so long.

 

[Coyote]

Why I ask the question is because I want a general consensus of which came first, since to both sides it seems to be important.

Historically in every country there has been tribal disputes over beliefs which were socially constructed to govern each tribe.

I just want to develop a timeline for each sides belief.

Why? This is not a religious conflict.

Ok so why does either side care about the land then?

For the Israeli's - it's a combination of religion, Zionism, and a desire to never again be a people without a home. For the Palestinians - it's about ending the occupation by a foreign power.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ah, well that's the fallacy.

It's not a religious issue.

It's an issue regarding the rights of self determination for two groups of people: the Palestinians and the Israeli's.

The Israeli's have their strip and the Palestinians want their own strip. The argument is borders and how the two nations will interact to guarantee sovereignty and security.

Why is giving Palestinians a state such a big deal? Cause they are Muslim?

Interesting that most Palestinians aren't pushing to get "a state."

What are they pushing for?

There is still more support than not for a two state solution: PSR poll 45 - Full analysis

Though less hope of success.

The biggest pro Palestinian campaign, BDS, does not mention a state and have no position on one or two states.

Then there are those who believe they already have a state but it is occupied.

 

[Coyote]

Interesting that most Palestinians aren't pushing to get "a state."

What are they pushing for?

There is still more support than not for a two state solution: PSR poll 45 - Full analysis

Though less hope of success.

The biggest pro Palestinian campaign, BDS, does not mention a state and have no position on one or two states.

Then there are those who believe they already have a state but it is occupied.

What does BDS push for?

 

[flowery]

Why don't the palestinians open up all the borders and offer to share it with everyone including the small strip of land ?

Do you mean share it with Israelis ?