The Impossibility of the Democrat Fantasy Electric World

[Jarlaxle]

It works because it’s true. The right is still sucking up to Russia. He’s your white knight.

Oh, renewables means solar panels to you, idiot. We have a nuclear power plant idiot; the sun. Are you so sick you’d rather build more and piss more money away ?

Describe, in detail, exactly how you plan to handle BASE LOAD with "renewables". Be specific.

Note that pixie dust, unicorn flatulence, and bullshit are NOT appropriate sources.

 

[Dagosa]

Renewables can't supply the power that we need. Even going forward the need outpaces all efforts at replacing fossil fuels with renewables.

What we need for what ? Electricity ? Absolutely . jet fuel and long haul diesel ? Nat gas a bridge fuel replaces diesel and at some point free ionized atmospheric gas propulsion already matches the thrust of jets. You can’t name a war for the last 200 years that wasn't about fossil fuel hoarding and control as much as anyother reason. You are ignorant. Now, go tell Tucker you did your good deed and acted illiterate.

 

[Dagosa]

The sun is a fusion reactor, and we don't get power via fusion, as it is too far away, but via photons, which have to be available to be used, i.e., daytime.

Are you really joking ? The sun‘s gravity helps provide tidal power, the temperature variations for all our wind patterns and more radiant energy hits the earth in two hours then the world needs for a year.
Storing the suns energy ? Laughable. Fossil fuel has been storing the suns energy for millions of years chemically. What idiotic idea do you have that we can’t store the suns energy after conversion to electricity over night ? Take your stupid pills on your own time.

You somehow think that electricity can’t be stored, managed and rerouted from multiple sources as needed. How long have you been this science illiterate.

 

[elektra]

Exactly. While the right argues for higher and higher fossil fuel consumption, states are quietly moving away from it towards renewables. The right has no counter argument that makes any sense when renewables are becoming cheaper and is inexhaustible.

The hilarious part is that the back up plan for the right, is to build more nukes at much higher costs. Renewables USE a fusion reactor energy generator already. It’s called the sun, and it’s cheaper and more reliable. If the sun ever stops producing energy for us, we’ve got bigger problems then their incessant whining over Hillary and Hunter. The right has no plan. They never did.

You are so wrong with everything you state.

While the right argues for higher and higher fossil fuel consumption,

Nobody argues, that we must consume more, fossil fuels. A growing population requires more fossil fuels.

Further, you are arguing we must "consume", more Renewable Energy. What makes your argument to consume more, right?

When one compares Renewables to everything else, Renewables are much more expensive.

Why are Renewables more expensive? Because Rebewables are so weak you must over build. You must build much more. Where one conventional power plant provided the electricity to supply an entire city to include industry and commecial business, renewables dont even supply everyones home with the energy they need.

Consume more? Thousands of square miles of solar panels and wind turbines must be built.

Billions of tons of natural resources are being manufactured into Renewables increasing the use of fossil fuels.

Renewables consume more of our natural resources. Not by a little, but by a magnitude so much more the democratic party is telling us they will spend more money than has ever been printed.

The cost in incredible, over 20x's the cost of anything else.

Land is exhaustible

The elements used to make renewables are exhaustible.

Renewables do not last as long as a coal plant or a nuclear plant. They must be buried and rebuilt.

Renewables are an expensive leech dependent on our wallets and fossil fuels to manufacture them forever.

Any country moving away from fossil fuels is a failing country

 

[Dagosa]

Describe, in detail, exactly how you plan to handle BASE LOAD with "renewables". Be specific.

I’ll do better. First , get this stupid idea out of your head that we fk around with “renewable” storage. We manage and store ELECTRICITY DUFUS from both renewables and fossil fuel sources ALL THE TIME ALREADY.

Now do a little research on how power companies manage and store electricity. Are you that stupid not to understand that fossil fuels based electricity has to be stored and managed as well ? Your posts are embarrassingly uninformed.,

 

[Dagosa]

we don't get power via fusion, as it is too far away,

Ha ha

You’re so funny. I bet they didn’t tell you anything “difficult” in economics class.

BTW, it’s energy, not power.

 

[Woodznutz]

What we need for what ? Electricity ? Absolutely . jet fuel and long haul diesel ? Nat gas a bridge fuel replaces diesel and at some point free ionized atmospheric gas propulsion already matches the thrust of jets. You can’t name a war for the last 200 years that wasn't about fossil fuel hoarding and control as much as anyother reason. You are ignorant. Now, go tell Tucker you did your good deed and acted illiterate.

What are you talking about?

 

[Dagosa]

What are you talking about?

As long as you keep talking about “Power“ instead of “energy”, you’re too illiterate to understand. We get energy from the sun….

 

[Woodznutz]

As long as you keep talking about “Power“ instead of “energy”, you’re too illiterate to understand. We get energy from the sun….

Those terms are often used interchangeably when discussing this subject.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I’ll do better. First , get this stupid idea out of your head that we fk around with “renewable” storage. We manage and store ELECTRICITY DUFUS from both renewables and fossil fuel sources ALL THE TIME ALREADY.

Now do a little research on how power companies manage and store electricity. Are you that stupid not to understand that fossil fuels based electricity has to be stored and managed as well ? Your posts are embarrassingly uninformed.,

Not even a GOOD deflection. Try again.

What are you talking about?

He has no idea.

 

[martybegan]

Are you really joking ? The sun‘s gravity helps provide tidal power, the temperature variations for all our wind patterns and more radiant energy hits the earth in two hours then the world needs for a year.
Storing the suns energy ? Laughable. Fossil fuel has been storing the suns energy for millions of years chemically. What idiotic idea do you have that we can’t store the suns energy after conversion to electricity over night ? Take your stupid pills on your own time.

You somehow think that electricity can’t be stored, managed and rerouted from multiple sources as needed. How long have you been this science illiterate.

All indirect methods, and except for fossil fuels intermittent at best.

Storage of renewables compared to storage via being a fossil fuel is space consuming and crazy expensive, either via potential energy schemes like massive pumped water reservoirs or batteries.

Nature did the energy density and availability work on fossil fuels for us already.

I'll put my Masters Degree in ChemE against whatever degree you can claim to have any day of the week, soi boi.

 

[martybegan]

Ha ha

You’re so funny. I bet they didn’t tell you anything “difficult” in economics class.

BTW, it’s energy, not power.

I took Engineering classes, which included economics, things like rates of return, capital costs, operating costs, etc.

 

[elektra]

I’ll do better. First , get this stupid idea out of your head that we fk around with “renewable” storage. We manage and store ELECTRICITY DUFUS from both renewables and fossil fuel sources ALL THE TIME ALREADY.

Now do a little research on how power companies manage and store electricity. Are you that stupid not to understand that fossil fuels based electricity has to be stored and managed as well ? Your posts are embarrassingly uninformed.,

How, which fossil fuel source is stored.

 

[Dagosa]

I took Engineering classes, which included economics, things like rates of return, capital costs, operating costs, etc.

You did ? You must have fallen asleep when they defined energy. The poster who said electricity was energy, is correct. Anyone calling it power is begging for a correction.

Thanks for the explanation. It just reinforces everyone’s understanding that economics is not a bedrock of science knowledge let alone physics. How you convolute economics with physics is hilarious.

 

[Vrenn]

And Trump wasn’t sucking the Dick of Putin of Russia which is the worlds second largest producer ?

You ignored it, because it does not fit your narrative.

This is...weapon grade stupid. No matter how much you scream and yell, solar panels will NEVER work for base load. Nuclear power is the obvious carbon-free solution...but, as expected, you hear the word "nuclear" and instantly shit your pants.

And when we run out of spent Uranium fuel storage areas, what then? Do we replicate Space 1999? Every energy source has it's negatives. The ONLY negative that Solar and Wind has is the space it takes to install the stations. But when you figure out that we have some of the most desolate, hot, sunny, dry areas that are not being tapped for anything, the use of Solar, the negatives for Solar disappears.

The primary source of electric energy here is Hydroelectric backed up by solar, and wind. We don't experience blackouts except for equipment malfunction (usually a toyota taking out a phone pole). We sell excess to other areas. (Stupid Texas can just F*** itself).

 

[Vrenn]

Are you really joking ? The sun‘s gravity helps provide tidal power, the temperature variations for all our wind patterns and more radiant energy hits the earth in two hours then the world needs for a year.
Storing the suns energy ? Laughable. Fossil fuel has been storing the suns energy for millions of years chemically. What idiotic idea do you have that we can’t store the suns energy after conversion to electricity over night ? Take your stupid pills on your own time.

You somehow think that electricity can’t be stored, managed and rerouted from multiple sources as needed. How long have you been this science illiterate.

Norway uses tidal produced electricity with all the Fjords they have.

 

[Dagosa]

And when we run out of spent Uranium fuel storage areas, what then? Do we replicate Space 1999? Every energy source has it's negatives. The ONLY negative that Solar and Wind has is the space it takes to install the stations. But when you figure out that we have some of the most desolate, hot, sunny, dry areas that are not being tapped for anything, the use of Solar, the negatives for Solar disappears.

The primary source of electric energy here is Hydroelectric backed up by solar, and wind. We don't experience blackouts except for equipment malfunction (usually a toyota taking out a phone pole). We sell excess to other areas. (Stupid Texas can just F*** itself).

Yup. Our state is over 70% renewable for electricity and well on its way to 100%. Wind and a plethora of shoreline, rivers etc makes it easier then many others. Every in cold, wooded Maine, solar farms are becoming more prevalent.

 

[Jarlaxle]

And when we run out of spent Uranium fuel storage areas, what then? Do we replicate Space 1999? Every energy source has it's negatives. The ONLY negative that Solar and Wind has is the space it takes to install the stations. But when you figure out that we have some of the most desolate, hot, sunny, dry areas that are not being tapped for anything, the use of Solar, the negatives for Solar disappears.

The primary source of electric energy here is Hydroelectric backed up by solar, and wind. We don't experience blackouts except for equipment malfunction (usually a toyota taking out a phone pole). We sell excess to other areas. (Stupid Texas can just F*** itself).

Reprocess the spent fuel...like every other country does.

Solar and wind are NOT suitable for BASE LOAD. Then never were and can never be. Speak with someone who ACTUALLY knows how a power grid works. Correct your ignorance.

Hydroelectric is being removed, the greenies hate it almost as much as fossil fuel.

 

[The Duke]

Funny. The right with their polluting petroleum pumping out articles about how bad electricity is. But are the right going to give up electricity? Nope.

Is the electric grid 5x what it is now to support electric vehicles that are magnitudes less efficient than fuel-powered ones?

Where will the fuel come from to power that nonexistent grid that is necessary to power entirely electric vehicles?

And where will all the lithium come from? How will the large batteries be disposed of?

My electric bill just went up by literally 50% and I am absolutely livid about that. It's criminal!

 

[Dagosa]

Except at night, or when it's cloudy, or during the winter when the angle ruins the overall efficiency.

Amazing how fried the right’s brain has to be to think that renewables are only solar or electricity from solar can’t be stored or managed or combined with other renewables. I guess they think electricity is different coming from coal, wind, oil or solar. Amazing how the right‘s mind works, or doesn’t.