The "I Stand With Israel" thread

[Lipush]

Hamas is not America's problem. What is happening there is none of our business.

How is an organization that killed American civilians in the past NOT an American problem?

Tell us the circumstances of those Americans who were killed by Hamas? Would those Americans have been killed if the U.S. was not supportive of Israel -- thereby assuming the position of de facto enemy of Hamas?

They were killed because they visited Israel and were murdered because that's what Hamas does- It murders people.

USA is against Hamas because it considers it a terror organization. If it wasn't in support of Israel it still would have considered Hamas a terror organization, because it's characteristic behavior and charter proves that fact.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

No American troops are helping out in this Israel/Hamas War.

 

[Lipush]

In other words we have an "ally" which can't help us because it would piss off too many others?


Why is it the right thing to do? Haven't we done enough? Israel is a costly burden to the U.S.

It's the right thing to do to be on the opposite side of those who want their religion to rule the world and are willing to kill you, me, and even themselves to make it happen.

The U.S. does not need an "alliance" with Israel to defend itself against those people. In fact it is U.S. support of Israel which has caused all of our present problems in the Middle East -- which began with the 9/11 attack.

bin Laden warned us but we ignored the warning. And we continue to ignore it.

Your remind of the girl being blamed for her rape, because she walked down the dark alley.

We warned USA from radical Islam. America got involved in the MidEast not because of ISRAEL, but because of a stupid tendency it has, to try and turned the primitive nations into democracy against their will!

You want to blame a regime for the horrible tragedy of 9-11, blame your own. The Islamic nations don't want ir need you to turn them into democracies.

Look at your obama. Where he steps now, nothing will bloom again. Worse foreign policy EVER

 

[MikeK]

I'm sure if America had asked Israel to send in troops, Israel would've obliged. But in both Gulf Wars, America didn't want Israel to help out, thereby widening the conflict. In the First Gulf War, Israel took 39 Scud hits, which was humiliating for her--but America had asked Israel not to strike back at Iraq.

So, again -- Israel is an "ally" we can't use for fear of pissing off too many others.

This Israel/America "ally" thing is wool which has been pulled over the eyes of the American People for far too long and it is time to stop.

 

[Lipush]

I'm sure if America had asked Israel to send in troops, Israel would've obliged. But in both Gulf Wars, America didn't want Israel to help out, thereby widening the conflict. In the First Gulf War, Israel took 39 Scud hits, which was humiliating for her--but America had asked Israel not to strike back at Iraq.

So, again -- Israel is an "ally" we can't use for fear of pissing off too many others.

This Israel/America "ally" thing is wool which has been pulled over the eyes of the American People for far too long and it is time to stop.

Are you a worker of the department of state, that you know so much about the use America has of Israel?

You speak with far too much arrogance.

 

[Slyhunter]

I'm sure if America had asked Israel to send in troops, Israel would've obliged. But in both Gulf Wars, America didn't want Israel to help out, thereby widening the conflict. In the First Gulf War, Israel took 39 Scud hits, which was humiliating for her--but America had asked Israel not to strike back at Iraq.

So, again -- Israel is an "ally" we can't use for fear of pissing off too many others.

This Israel/America "ally" thing is wool which has been pulled over the eyes of the American People for far too long and it is time to stop.

We should not set policy based on what a bunch of people think who want to use any method necessary, including force, to install a world wide caliphate. In fact the fact that they are against us doing it is why we should do it. Because it pisses them off. Anything that will help in our fight against Islam.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Not everyone who is inside Israel today is standing with Israel nor the G-d of Israel. That is going to change. Every man, woman and child should examine their own hearts and make sure they are on the right side of G-d according to the Hebrew prophet Zephaniah. Period. If Nehemiah or Ezra were here this thing would have already been accomplished!

I stand with the Land of Israel but not everyone who is living in Israel at this writing. That is why I have been careful to declare exactly what I am standing with. I stand with the G-d of Israel and agree with His Judgments which are righteous. ( always ) I pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

I am not Jewish, and I am a revisionist so my God is different to your God, As my views on the holocaust are different to yours. yet here and now I declare once again THAT I STAND WITH ISREAL. I also stand with my many Jewish friends who have faced deprivation and suffering. Does my admission make me wrong and a bad person in the eyes of the Jews I count as my friends, or does it make me a stronger more honest person.
Irose knows me and my views of old and she will tell you I am a seeker after truth and honesty.

I reckon you know how I feel about holocaust revisionists so we'll leave that to the side. I'm four square Israel all the way according the Book but when it comes to some of what is going on inside there I'll have none of it I tell you!

Now does your admission make you a bad person, Phoenall? Who am I to judge you?! G-d forbid! I will never judge you. Truth be known I love your soul and believe the best for you as you've tried to do your best by Israel and that is all that matters to me concerning you. I do not remember anything else about you other than you loved the Jews and Israel. Speaking of which...

You think I do not count the Jews as my friends? Not only as my friends by my kin folk I tell you! No need to be bringing Rosie up to me to endorse you because it ain't her you need an endorsement from and you surely know it! Speaking of which - There is only one G-d and He is the G-d of Israel. Hear O Israel the Lord Thy God is One! Now settle up accounts with Him and God bless you for blessing Israel. Amen and goodnight and I just sent you a hug and kiss on the head so be blessed and do not think another thought about this.

 

[MikeK]

How is an organization that killed American civilians in the past NOT an American problem?

Tell us the circumstances of those Americans who were killed by Hamas? Would those Americans have been killed if the U.S. was not supportive of Israel -- thereby assuming the position of de facto enemy of Hamas?

They were killed because they visited Israel and were murdered because that's what Hamas does- It murders people.

They were killed because they were Jews in the land of the Jews and that's what Hamas does. It kills Jews. Those Jews should have stayed in America where they are safe.

I'm not a Jew but I wouldn't go near Israel because that would be looking for trouble -- and I can't think of a good reason to go there.

USA is against Hamas because it considers it a terror organization. If it wasn't in support of Israel it still would have considered Hamas a terror organization, because it's characteristic behavior and charter proves that fact.

"Terror organization" is brainwash language installed in the American lexicon by the Bush Administration to justify their war crimes. What does it really mean? "Terrorism" is a method of waging war against a superior or well-defended enemy. If you wish to put an end to "terrorism," buy your enemy some jet fighters and a few warships. You won't have any more "terrorism" to worry about.

You are reminded that Israel was established by the use of "terrorism" against the British by the Irgun, a Zionist terrorist organization. (See the terrorist bombing of the King David hotel.) In fact it may be said you Zionists were the originators of "terrorism" in the contemporary Middle East conflicts.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Why?

Because my entire family lives there (except my parents who moved from Israel to Canada)
Because I am a citizen of Israel (I have dual Canadian-Israeli citizenship)
Because I am Jewish, and I consider Israel to be my second home
Because I love Israel !!

My argument is with American citizens whose loyalty to Israel occurs as a detriment to their homeland. If you are Canadian my argument has nothing to do with you.

You listen to me, Mike K! It is the very actions of this administration in not being loyal to Israel and in turning our backs upon her just even a few days ago I am told ( I am out of loop and just heard of it 2nd hand ) that is going to bring down an event that is going to cause even the most grounded believers to wonder if G-d is still in control!!! I am telling you something cataclysmic is coming to America and it is time to face the facts that part of this is coming because of whatever just happened a few days ago! I do not know the details only that something happened. Do you know what the real meaning of Loyal is, Mike K? It means staying when it gets uncomfortable. Not being moved when it gets uncomfortable and everyone is leaving the room. That is what it means to be loyal. Okay? I'm loyal to the G-d of Israel. Okay?

Now if you are trying to keep something detrimental from happening to your own nation you had better pray your guts out that they do not dare do anything such as turning their backs on her! ( Israel ) Or they will face the same thing America is about to endure. May G-d have mercy upon us all.

 

[CorvusRexus]

Any loyal American who understands that supporting Israel is detrimental to the best interests of their Nation.

Anyone who does not understand this should go here Who Is Bin Laden? - Interview With Osama Bin Laden (in May 1998) | Hunting Bin Laden | FRONTLINE | PBS and learn.

Any American who values having any friends in the world would support Israel.

Why?

Supporting Israel is the way to have enemies, not friends. The following is excerpted from a 1998 Frontline interview of Osama bin Laden:

Excerpted from PBS Frontline (John Miller) 1998 interview with Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan.
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"We know at least one reason behind the symbolic participation of the Western forces and that is to support the Zionist plans for expansion of what is called the Greater Israel. Surely, their presence is not out of concern over their interests in the region. ... Their presence has no meaning save one and that is to offer support to the Jews in Palestine who are in need of their Christian brothers to achieve full control over the Arab Peninsula which they intend to make an important part of the so called Greater Israel. ..."

[...]

bin Laden warned us and we chose to ignore the warning.

Who Is Bin Laden? - Interview With Osama Bin Laden (in May 1998) | Hunting Bin Laden | FRONTLINE | PBS

If Israel invaded the Arab Peninsula (which won't happen), they would lose my support. But attacking a terrorist organization intent on killing them? Why shouldn't I support them?

 

[RoccoR]

[MENTION=23819]MikeK[/MENTION], et al,

The statement is: "I stand with Israel." It is not quite the same thing as a statement of political loyalty.

Why?

Because my entire family lives there (except my parents who moved from Israel to Canada)
Because I am a citizen of Israel (I have dual Canadian-Israeli citizenship)
Because I am Jewish, and I consider Israel to be my second home
Because I love Israel !!

My argument is with American citizens whose loyalty to Israel occurs as a detriment to their homeland. If you are Canadian my argument has nothing to do with you.

(COMMENT)

There have been many times in my life when I had to choose, or not, to stand with my friend; or not. And sometimes, the choice comes with a price.

Standing with Israel - may - come with a price. I don't know. But the choice is about what is "right" and "who I am." My choice is somewhat on the order of the choice the Allied Powers made at San Remo; whether to take the action that would preserve and protect a culture, a decision for the greater good of humanity. No everyone understands it, and not everyone agrees with it. But it was the choice they made.

It is about the moral high ground, the greater good, and extending the umbrella of protection over a persecuted minority. A friend in need.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[CorvusRexus]

I'm sure if America had asked Israel to send in troops, Israel would've obliged. But in both Gulf Wars, America didn't want Israel to help out, thereby widening the conflict. In the First Gulf War, Israel took 39 Scud hits, which was humiliating for her--but America had asked Israel not to strike back at Iraq.

So, again -- Israel is an "ally" we can't use for fear of pissing off too many others.

This Israel/America "ally" thing is wool which has been pulled over the eyes of the American People for far too long and it is time to stop.

Are you a worker of the department of state, that you know so much about the use America has of Israel?

You speak with far too much arrogance.

Actually, he might work for the state department. Certainly explains his hatred of America's friends and allies and his overall stupidity and arrogance.

 

[Lipush]

Mhmmm. Noted!

 

[MikeK]

[...]

America should stand with her allies.

The U.K. is an ally. An alliance is not a one-way arrangement. You can call a sow's ear a silver purse if you like, but a sow's ear is a sow's ear.

Israel is a protectorate which in no way serves America's interests.

But Hamas does?

Hamas is not a U.S. protectorate. The U.S. does not give Hamas $3 billion every year, nor does Hamas have two lobbying organizations operating in Washington. How do you feel about a foreign government lobbying the U.S. Congress? And do you think the lobbying activities of AIPAC and JINSA have any influence in our government's extraordinarily favorable disposition toward Israel?

Hamas has never made an aggressive move against the U.S. If it does we will respond.

Bottom line at this time: Hamas is Israel's problem -- not ours. Let's stop going out of our way to make it one.

 

[Daniyel]

The U.K. is an ally. An alliance is not a one-way arrangement. You can call a sow's ear a silver purse if you like, but a sow's ear is a sow's ear.

Israel is a protectorate which in no way serves America's interests.

But Hamas does?

Hamas is not a U.S. protectorate. The U.S. does not give Hamas $3 billion every year, nor does Hamas have two lobbying organizations operating in Washington. How do you feel about a foreign government lobbying the U.S. Congress? And do you think the lobbying activities of AIPAC and JINSA have any influence in our government's extraordinarily favorable disposition toward Israel?

Hamas has never made an aggressive move against the U.S. If it does we will respond.

Bottom line at this time: Hamas is Israel's problem -- not ours. Let's stop going out of our way to make it one.

Failing as the first Western society in the middle east would be a disaster to the U.S.and once Israel is off the map its pretty much U.S...Which by the way share law enforcement, citizenship owners, technology and most importantly - Ideology with the U.S.
Not being able to protect your allies makes you look weak, and America is huge, yet most vulnerable, Americans cannot afford themselves to look weak.

 

[P F Tinmore]

But Hamas does?

Hamas is not America's problem. What is happening there is none of our business.

How is an organization that killed American civilians in the past NOT an American problem?

Israel kills American citizens too.

I don't see your point.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I stand with the political country known as "Israel" who is an ally of the US. Allies stand by each other.

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If Israel is an ally of the U.S., how many Israeli boots were on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Why should any Israeli troop step in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Israel doesn't have millions of troops, and cannot send any to foreign Arab countries, it's too busy with it's own war.

Stupid question.

Indeed, thank you.

 

[MHunterB]

Hamas is not America's problem. What is happening there is none of our business.

How is an organization that killed American civilians in the past NOT an American problem?

Israel kills American citizens too.

I don't see your point.

One has to squint very hard and twist all up to even get close to seeing your POV.....

 

[P F Tinmore]

How many Arab countries would have attacked the US if Israel had put boots on the ground?

In other words we have an "ally" which can't help us because it would piss off too many others?

Plus, any and all loyal Americans should support and back Israel. It's the right thing to do.

Why is it the right thing to do? Haven't we done enough? Israel is a costly burden to the U.S.

Israel is not a friend or ally.

It is just using us for what it can get.

It buddied up to Britain until Britain would not give anymore then it attacked Britain.

 

[proudveteran06]

[MENTION=23819]MikeK[/MENTION], et al,

The statement is: "I stand with Israel." It is not quite the same thing as a statement of political loyalty.

Because my entire family lives there (except my parents who moved from Israel to Canada)
Because I am a citizen of Israel (I have dual Canadian-Israeli citizenship)
Because I am Jewish, and I consider Israel to be my second home
Because I love Israel !!

My argument is with American citizens whose loyalty to Israel occurs as a detriment to their homeland. If you are Canadian my argument has nothing to do with you.

(COMMENT)

There have been many times in my life when I had to choose, or not, to stand with my friend; or not. And sometimes, the choice comes with a price.

Standing with Israel - may - come with a price. I don't know. But the choice is about what is "right" and "who I am." My choice is somewhat on the order of the choice the Allied Powers made at San Remo; whether to take the action that would preserve and protect a culture, a decision for the greater good of humanity. No everyone understands it, and not everyone agrees with it. But it was the choice they made.

It is about the moral high ground, the greater good, and extending the umbrella of protection over a persecuted minority. A friend in need.

Most Respectfully,
R

How is an organization that killed American civilians in the past NOT an American problem?

Israel kills American citizens too.

I don't see your point.

One has to squint very hard and twist all up to even get close to seeing your POV.....

What is he talking about? What American Citizens has Israel killed; Rachael Corrie? A Pancake has two sides. I will " cry " for her the way Pro Palestinians on the board cry for the American Jewish Boy who was killed by the Palestinians.