The "I Stand With Israel" thread

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[MikeK]

(COMMENT)

There have been many times in my life when I had to choose, or not, to stand with my friend; or not. And sometimes, the choice comes with a price.

Standing with Israel - may - come with a price. I don't know. But the choice is about what is "right" and "who I am." My choice is somewhat on the order of the choice the Allied Powers made at San Remo; whether to take the action that would preserve and protect a culture, a decision for the greater good of humanity. No everyone understands it, and not everyone agrees with it. But it was the choice they made.

I am willing to admit I know a great deal less than many of the erudite scholars involved in endless debate about who is right and who is wrong in the Israel/Palestine conflict. And one reason my knowledge of the finer details in the discussion is limited is I frankly don't care which side is right and which side is wrong. I see it as one more conflict in a world of numerous and constant conflicts -- none of which are any of our business.

Regarding your reference to the San Remo Conference; do you believe the Allies who rendered the judgment favoring Israel would have decided differently if they could have foreseen what's become of the situation? Do you think they might have decided that the Jewish homeland would have been established more peacefully in the part of Africa that was offered? In my opinion they didn't give much thought to the potential consequences of their decision.

Of course there are two sides to every story. One side is what a Palestinian student told a group at a lecture I attended at Columbia University some years ago. She told of the small property inhabited by her family and where they grew figs for generations. And one day a car followed by a jeep with four IDF troopers pulled up in front of the house. A red-haired, blue-eyed man got out of the car, pounded on the door, and served her mother with an eviction notice giving them twenty days to vacate the premises. Every challenge to that order was responded to with the edict that the land belonged to the Jew -- because it was given to him by God. The man was not even Semitic. He was an Ashkenazi Jew who had migrated to Israel from the U.S.

I am not concerned with the right and wrong of that isolated example of the conflict in that region. Again, it's none of my business -- nor do I believe it's any of my Country's business. We have enough problems of our own to deal with. I simply believe we should avoid adding to our problems by supporting troublesome protectorates like Israel.

We've done enough for Israel and we don't need the problems.

 

[MikeK]

[MENTION=23819]MikeK[/MENTION], et al,

The statement is: "I stand with Israel." It is not quite the same thing as a statement of political loyalty.

My argument is with American citizens whose loyalty to Israel occurs as a detriment to their homeland. If you are Canadian my argument has nothing to do with you.

(COMMENT)

There have been many times in my life when I had to choose, or not, to stand with my friend; or not. And sometimes, the choice comes with a price.

Standing with Israel - may - come with a price. I don't know. But the choice is about what is "right" and "who I am." My choice is somewhat on the order of the choice the Allied Powers made at San Remo; whether to take the action that would preserve and protect a culture, a decision for the greater good of humanity. No everyone understands it, and not everyone agrees with it. But it was the choice they made.

It is about the moral high ground, the greater good, and extending the umbrella of protection over a persecuted minority. A friend in need.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel kills American citizens too.

I don't see your point.

One has to squint very hard and twist all up to even get close to seeing your POV.....

What is he talking about? What American Citizens has Israel killed; Rachael Corrie? A Pancake has two sides. I will " cry " for her the way Pro Palestinians on the board cry for the American Jewish Boy who was killed by the Palestinians.

How about 179 American sailors aboard the USS Liberty Israel attacked and said was an accident?

 

[Billo_Really]

Long time ago, I sent a audio clip from "X-Men" to israelnationalradio.com being an avid reader/listener containing the bit between Wolverine and Storm of:

"...There is a war coming. You sure you're on the right side?"

"At least I've chosen a side."

So with that in mind,

The war has come. You sure you're on the right side?


I STAND WITH ISRAEL!

**** Israel!

You stand with Israel, you stand with Nazi Germany.

You stand with Israel, you stand with:

• un-provoked aggression against an entire population of innocent civilians
• war crimes and crimes against humanity
• mass arrests of people who have committed no crime
• indefinitely detaining people without charges

Basically, you stand for everything that is evil and inhuman on this planet when you stand with Israel.

Unless its the Israeli left, then you're in with the cool crowd.

The Israeli right can go to hell! And that includes that lunatic Netafuckyou.

 

[teddyearp]

<snip>but I wouldn't go near Israel because that would be looking for trouble -- and I can't think of a good reason to go there.

And that one statement of yours alone tells me that you have nothing credible to say about Israel whatsoever. And IMHO everyone else here should also ignore anything you have to say about Israel and this conflict as well.

I have been there and am planning another trip, just so I can keep on having an educated view.

p.s. and this goes for you too, Billo since it has been said that you have never been there either. And for my own purposes, I double checked my poll about it and didn't see you post in that thread either.

 

[Daniyel]

How many Arab countries would have attacked the US if Israel had put boots on the ground?

In other words we have an "ally" which can't help us because it would piss off too many others?

Plus, any and all loyal Americans should support and back Israel. It's the right thing to do.

Why is it the right thing to do? Haven't we done enough? Israel is a costly burden to the U.S.

Israel is not a friend or ally.

It is just using us for what it can get.

It buddied up to Britain until Britain would not give anymore then it attacked Britain.

Very wrong, the immigrants begged for protection from the Arab Legion but the British decided to be the less involved as possible until they left upon losing control on both sides, another proof is that Britain abstained to the declaration of Israel.
Although Israel and US share painful events the connection is still very powerful by the contribution of each side.

Israel?United States relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Israel Training US Assassination Squads In Iraq
US-Israel Science & Technology

I am not concerned with the right and wrong of that isolated example of the conflict in that region. Again, it's none of my business -- nor do I believe it's any of my Country's business. We have enough problems of our own to deal with. I simply believe we should avoid adding to our problems by supporting troublesome protectorates like Israel.

We've done enough for Israel and we don't need the problems.

I still wait for you to answer my replay about the U.S.-Israeli relationships.
Israel Training US Assassination Squads In Iraq
Just in case you miss it.

 

[Hossfly]

Long time ago, I sent a audio clip from "X-Men" to israelnationalradio.com being an avid reader/listener containing the bit between Wolverine and Storm of:

"...There is a war coming. You sure you're on the right side?"

"At least I've chosen a side."

So with that in mind,

The war has come. You sure you're on the right side?


I STAND WITH ISRAEL!

**** Israel!

You stand with Israel, you stand with Nazi Germany.

You stand with Israel, you stand with:

• un-provoked aggression against an entire population of innocent civilians
• war crimes and crimes against humanity
• mass arrests of people who have committed no crime
• indefinitely detaining people without charges

Basically, you stand for everything that is evil and inhuman on this planet when you stand with Israel.

Unless its the Israeli left, then you're in with the cool crowd.

The Israeli right can go to hell! And that includes that lunatic Netafuckyou.

You better stock up on Tums, Billo or you'll develop a tummy ache. It's too late for Prozac.

 

[member]

If Israel is an ally of the U.S., how many Israeli boots were on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan? Do you know the difference between a partner and a dependent? Do you know the meaning of the word, protectorate? Israel is and has been nothing but an enormously costly problem for the U.S.

THE MASKED

"how many Israeli boots were on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan?"

(1) You know full well they have their own terrorists to deal with

(2) ....and speaking of irag/afghan and allies, and considering how many other countries that are on planet earth with armies
(especially muslim ones) there was a handful of people who tried to help “bring many of those people out of the dark ages,
the 7th century - to present day. It didn’t work and NEVER will (..and that goes for NOT just afghan/iraq - a whole boatload
of them (muslim countries that still live in the 7th century).


mikey......good one....

instead of:

 

[member]

**** Israel!

You stand with Israel, you stand with Nazi Germany.

You stand with Israel, you stand with:

• un-provoked aggression against an entire population of innocent civilians
• war crimes and crimes against humanity
• mass arrests of people who have committed no crime
• indefinitely detaining people without charges

Basically, you stand for everything that is evil and inhuman on this planet when you stand with Israel.

Unless its the Israeli left, then you're in with the cool crowd.

The Israeli right can go to hell! And that includes that lunatic Netafuckyou.

I don't think Sam would have felt the same way as you !

 

[P F Tinmore]

How is an organization that killed American civilians in the past NOT an American problem?

Israel kills American citizens too.

I don't see your point.

One has to squint very hard and twist all up to even get close to seeing your POV.....

Your condition is called cognitive dissonance.

 

[Billo_Really]

I don't think Sam would have felt the same way as you !

No he wouldn't. That's where we differ.

Same goes for Howard Stern. As much as I love the guy, he has his neocon side.

Look, if we were attacked, like at Pearl Harbor, I'm all for war.

But if we're not...

 

[Billo_Really]

You better stock up on Tums, Billo or you'll develop a tummy ache. It's too late for Prozac.

Actually, I have a fresh supply of Pepsid.

 

[Hossfly]

Israel kills American citizens too.

I don't see your point.

One has to squint very hard and twist all up to even get close to seeing your POV.....

Your condition is called cognitive dissonance.

psychological conflict resulting from incongruous beliefs and attitudes held simultaneously.

Cognitive dissonance - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

[Daniyel]

Selfish ignorance to others life is pure cruelty, I hope you do concerned for your own life when they'll be put at risk you might understand that.

 

[proudveteran06]

[MENTION=23819]MikeK[/MENTION], et al,

The statement is: "I stand with Israel." It is not quite the same thing as a statement of political loyalty.


(COMMENT)

There have been many times in my life when I had to choose, or not, to stand with my friend; or not. And sometimes, the choice comes with a price.

Standing with Israel - may - come with a price. I don't know. But the choice is about what is "right" and "who I am." My choice is somewhat on the order of the choice the Allied Powers made at San Remo; whether to take the action that would preserve and protect a culture, a decision for the greater good of humanity. No everyone understands it, and not everyone agrees with it. But it was the choice they made.

It is about the moral high ground, the greater good, and extending the umbrella of protection over a persecuted minority. A friend in need.

Most Respectfully,
R

One has to squint very hard and twist all up to even get close to seeing your POV.....

What is he talking about? What American Citizens has Israel killed; Rachael Corrie? A Pancake has two sides. I will " cry " for her the way Pro Palestinians on the board cry for the American Jewish Boy who was killed by the Palestinians.

How about 179 American sailors aboard the USS Liberty Israel attacked and said was an accident?

Prove it wasnt. What exactly did Israel have to " gain" by doing it??

 

[P F Tinmore]

(COMMENT)

There have been many times in my life when I had to choose, or not, to stand with my friend; or not. And sometimes, the choice comes with a price.

Standing with Israel - may - come with a price. I don't know. But the choice is about what is "right" and "who I am." My choice is somewhat on the order of the choice the Allied Powers made at San Remo; whether to take the action that would preserve and protect a culture, a decision for the greater good of humanity. No everyone understands it, and not everyone agrees with it. But it was the choice they made.

I am willing to admit I know a great deal less than many of the erudite scholars involved in endless debate about who is right and who is wrong in the Israel/Palestine conflict. And one reason my knowledge of the finer details in the discussion is limited is I frankly don't care which side is right and which side is wrong. I see it as one more conflict in a world of numerous and constant conflicts -- none of which are any of our business.

Regarding your reference to the San Remo Conference; do you believe the Allies who rendered the judgment favoring Israel would have decided differently if they could have foreseen what's become of the situation? Do you think they might have decided that the Jewish homeland would have been established more peacefully in the part of Africa that was offered? In my opinion they didn't give much thought to the potential consequences of their decision.

Of course there are two sides to every story. One side is what a Palestinian student told a group at a lecture I attended at Columbia University some years ago. She told of the small property inhabited by her family and where they grew figs for generations. And one day a car followed by a jeep with four IDF troopers pulled up in front of the house. A red-haired, blue-eyed man got out of the car, pounded on the door, and served her mother with an eviction notice giving them twenty days to vacate the premises. Every challenge to that order was responded to with the edict that the land belonged to the Jew -- because it was given to him by God. The man was not even Semitic. He was an Ashkenazi Jew who had migrated to Israel from the U.S.

I am not concerned with the right and wrong of that isolated example of the conflict in that region. Again, it's none of my business -- nor do I believe it's any of my Country's business. We have enough problems of our own to deal with. I simply believe we should avoid adding to our problems by supporting troublesome protectorates like Israel.

We've done enough for Israel and we don't need the problems.

Regarding your reference to the San Remo Conference; do you believe the Allies who rendered the judgment favoring Israel would have decided differently if they could have foreseen what's become of the situation?

Either the numbnuts at San Remo could not predict, or just didn't care, about the predictable results of their actions.

The native Palestinian Jews said that installing a Jewish state in Palestine would bring generations of death and destruction.

Too frequently in this world the numbnuts win out.

 

[toastman]

Who were the Native Palestinian Jews who said that Tinmore? Provide a link please..

 

[proudveteran06]

If Israel is an ally of the U.S., how many Israeli boots were on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan? Do you know the difference between a partner and a dependent? Do you know the meaning of the word, protectorate? Israel is and has been nothing but an enormously costly problem for the U.S.

THE MASKED

"how many Israeli boots were on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan?"

(1) You know full well they have their own terrorists to deal with

(2) ....and speaking of irag/afghan and allies, and considering how many other countries that are on planet earth with armies
(especially muslim ones) there was a handful of people who tried to help “bring many of those people out of the dark ages,
the 7th century - to present day. It didn’t work and NEVER will (..and that goes for NOT just afghan/iraq - a whole boatload
of them (muslim countries that still live in the 7th century).


mikey......good one....

instead of:

I have another answer to the Ass Holes question. Does he REALLY " think". the Arabs would tolerate Israeli Military in their Countries? They would then become the obvious target for the enemy. What happened to Daniel Pearl would happen to them. .

 

[Daniyel]

Regarding your reference to the San Remo Conference; do you believe the Allies who rendered the judgment favoring Israel would have decided differently if they could have foreseen what's become of the situation?

Either the numbnuts at San Remo could not predict, or just didn't care, about the predictable results of their actions.

The native Palestinian Jews said that installing a Jewish state in Palestine would bring generations of death and destruction.

Too frequently in this world the numbnuts win out.

Another false statement, Jewish cannot be Palestinians as Judaism based over genetic cared inheritance, which is why there is no such thing as 'Palestinian Jews' since both Palestinians and Jews never shared the same religion they never mix, care to bring any source for the quote you made there?

 

[montelatici]

Who were the Native Palestinian Jews who said that Tinmore? Provide a link please..

NPN Article: Before Zionism, Most Christians and Jews were Pro-Palestinian