The human cost of insulin in America

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The rich live/poor die

that's capitalism

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Nope. That's just America-style capitalism. It is that way because White pinheads organized "capitalism" so as to make the lives of the poor as brutish and short as possible for fear that an extended helping hand might eventually end up helping Those People. Moreover, in the dominant protestant ideology, the punishment for being born poor (read: bereft of virtue) is never harsh enough.

Thankfully, not all countries, and not all forms of capitalism, suffer this monstrous defect in the same way, and to the same extent.
Got to have those poor folks around until the robots can do everything.
Hey Tommy I thought your NHS was wonderful and all.

Vulnerable pensioners with progressive and crippling diseases are having NHS funding for their care withdrawn under cost-cutting measures.

An investigation by The Telegraph reveals that more than 7,000 patients whose care and nursing fees were covered by the health service have had their funding revoked since the “stealth cuts” were introduced.

Under national rules, any patient with a significant health problem should have such fees paid in full - if the condition is deemed to be the main reason they need such help.

Elderly patients with progressive diseases see NHS funding withdrawn
 
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The human cost of insulin in America

Stories of Americans rationing insulin - and dying for it - have been making national headlines.

The most famous case, perhaps, was 26-year-old Alec Smith, who died in 2017 less than a month after he aged out of his mother's health insurance plan. Despite working full-time making more than minimum wage, he could not afford to buy new insurance or pay the $1,000 a month for insulin without it.

I cant get my head around this . Surely if someone was unable to afford the drugs and became ill then their Doctor would give them the drugs to prevent them dying ?
You people are too used to others giving you shit.
Nobody has ever given me anything. Your understanding of healthcare finance is at a remedial level..
Your precious NHS at work, Tommy.

The Government has apologised on behalf of the NHS after a documentary uncovered staff abusing patients with learning disabilities at a care unit. Care at Whorlton Hall, in County Durham, was branded ‘tantamount to psychological torture’ by Labour after a shocking BBC Panorama programme showed staff mocking, intimidating and repeatedly restraining patients. Undercover reporter, Olivia Davies, recorded a staff member calling a patient a ‘fat c***’, another describing the hospital as ‘house of mongs’, and one care worker calling a patient’s family ‘f****** poison. Six care workers told the reporter they have deliberately hurt patients, including one who boasted about ‘clotheslining’ someone – striking a person across the face with an extended arm. Speaking in the House of Commons today, Health Minister Caroline Dinenage, told MPs she ‘utterly condemned’ the treatment, saying: ‘On behalf of the health and care system, I am deeply sorry that this has happened.’


Read more: Apology after NHS care workers filmed abusing autism patients | Metro News

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The NHS treats millions of people every day yet you choose to focus on one isolated but terrible incident.

Why would you do that ?

Simply to deflect attention from the fact that your crazy health scheme is killing people. Killing them by charging over the odds for something that is free in the civilised world.

Hang your head in shame.
 

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The human cost of insulin in America

Stories of Americans rationing insulin - and dying for it - have been making national headlines.

The most famous case, perhaps, was 26-year-old Alec Smith, who died in 2017 less than a month after he aged out of his mother's health insurance plan. Despite working full-time making more than minimum wage, he could not afford to buy new insurance or pay the $1,000 a month for insulin without it.

I cant get my head around this . Surely if someone was unable to afford the drugs and became ill then their Doctor would give them the drugs to prevent them dying ?
You people are too used to others giving you shit.
Nobody has ever given me anything. Your understanding of healthcare finance is at a remedial level..
Your precious NHS at work, Tommy.

The Government has apologised on behalf of the NHS after a documentary uncovered staff abusing patients with learning disabilities at a care unit. Care at Whorlton Hall, in County Durham, was branded ‘tantamount to psychological torture’ by Labour after a shocking BBC Panorama programme showed staff mocking, intimidating and repeatedly restraining patients. Undercover reporter, Olivia Davies, recorded a staff member calling a patient a ‘fat c***’, another describing the hospital as ‘house of mongs’, and one care worker calling a patient’s family ‘f****** poison. Six care workers told the reporter they have deliberately hurt patients, including one who boasted about ‘clotheslining’ someone – striking a person across the face with an extended arm. Speaking in the House of Commons today, Health Minister Caroline Dinenage, told MPs she ‘utterly condemned’ the treatment, saying: ‘On behalf of the health and care system, I am deeply sorry that this has happened.’


Read more: Apology after NHS care workers filmed abusing autism patients | Metro News

Twitter: Metro (@MetroUK) | Twitter | Facebook: Metro
The NHS treats millions of people every day yet you choose to focus on one isolated but terrible incident.

Why would you do that ?

Simply to deflect attention from the fact that your crazy health scheme is killing people. Killing them by charging over the odds for something that is free in the civilised world.

Hang your head in shame.
It's not free, Tommy. That's a joke and one we should all laugh at. First, you pay exorbitant taxes for that health care and the taxes are going up all the time. But now even the taxes are not covering the services, so here come the cuts in care. All I EVER have to do is search up "NHS UK" and then click on "news" and the hits just keep on coming. Cuts in care. Cuts in coverage. Basically, rationing.

The rationing is going to happen one way or another, because health care is very, very expensive. On your end it just happens in rationing. You can't be honest about that.
 

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The rationing is going to happen one way or another, because health care is very, very expensive
that happens here too Sue

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Yes of course--when the insurance company denies your claim or whatever. The Left acts as if this never ever happens under Universal Health Care but of course it does. Not to mention, then, the dehumanizing practices that happen when there's no competition, as we see in the case of that care home.
 

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Our conservatives always worry about 'how we gonna pay for it'. It's their favorite buzzword. In the meantime they never question outrageous tax reform that favor the very wealthy. It's supposed to be 'we the people', not 'them the rich'.
 

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Our conservatives always worry about 'how we gonna pay for it'. It's their favorite buzzword. In the meantime they never question outrageous tax reform that favor the very wealthy. It's supposed to be 'we the people', not 'them the rich'.
I guess you don't believe in equal treatment.

Currently rich people unfairly pay the majority or taxes. In other words the rich are treated unequally.
So when taxes are cut you want them treated more unfairly. Again more unequal.
 
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Colorado Caps Insulin Co-Pays At $100 For Insured Residents

Colorado is going the right way. But $100 dollars a month is still excessive.
Why should they have to pay anything? Health care should be free, right?
It should be free at the point of delivery. Most of the civilised world believes that. But it all has to be paid for through taxation.We all pay in and we are all covered. So it isnt "free" as in it costs nothing. But neither are the sick victimised for their misfortune in being sick. Its a civilised solution to a health lottery.

Of course that doesnt punish the poor for being poor or sick but lets just make the most of it. Western European diabetics arent dying because big pharma owns their government.
 

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Becoming clear that if an uninsured American were unable to afford insulin Tainted Tommy would welcome that individual into her/his/its home and render all possible help in getting that person enrolled in The National Health. But maybe just being an American wouldn't be enough. Now a Muslim American....yeah, that would make it easier, right?
 

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here Tommy Tainant for you
Diabetic, 27, dies after taking cheaper insulin as he lost private health insurance

as for RE:
Tommy Tainant said:
It should be free at the point of delivery. Most of the civilised world believes that. But it all has to be paid for through taxation.We all pay in and we are all covered. So it isnt "free" as in it costs nothing. But neither are the sick victimised for their misfortune in being sick. Its a civilised solution to a health lottery.

Of course that doesnt punish the poor for being poor or sick but lets just make the most of it. Western European diabetics arent dying because big pharma owns their government.
To bypass the politics of fighting over beliefs about federal limits, jurisdiction and regulations,
the faster more expedient and cost effective Constitutional solution would be to implement access to COOPERATIVES where people of each district and state can democratically decide which services and clients are best served through private or public programs, and let people control the costs by cutting out excess admin and bureaucracy.

Giving this all to govt is not the answer but makes the bureaucracy impossible.
That's partially why people are dying because going through national govt takes too long to serve people on an INDIVIDUAL level who need help immediately. Federal Govt is not immediate but takes years.

Cooperatives would allow the costs to either be reduced enough for people to cover at cost OR pay for help for those who cannot afford it by going through either NONPROFITS set up through the cooperative, or go through federal clinics if they qualify. No further legislation is needed, the choices we have now can cover everyone, we just have to educate and support people to get the access to set up cooperatives. (similar to how Habitat for Humanity organizes communities and resources for people to build their own houses. waiting on govt takes too long. teaching people to set up their own programs will be faster, more cost effective and allow for universal care and charity support without any obstruction from political problems of trying to go through federal govt which invokes major battles, backlogs and bureaucratic red tape where corporate and political interests interfere with the democratic process. better to set this up directly and bypass all that, to ensure there is equal access to sustainable universal care)

www.patientphysiciancoop.com
 

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It sounds like Trump is taking some on this. Good for him.The drugs companies should be up on racketeering charges.
Dear Tommy Tainant
If there's anything Trump understands it's business and hammering down on what's bad while trumpeting and demanding what's going to generate better business.

If drug companies are complicit in the exploitation of addiction and suffering for profits,
why not hold them to restitution and invest the costs of setting up access to nonprofit programs that can remedy the situation they took advantage of?

What if they helped finance and fund the conversion of facilities into medical schools, teaching hospitals and clinics to universalize access?

This might be a good angle - to tie in corporate level crimes, abuses, violations or corruption, and use that as legal leverage to compel investment in democratizing access to hospitals, clinics and medical programs, which can be made sustainable by tying the medical education and internships to public service in health outreach.
 

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