Zone1 The Handmaid's Tale: A Perversion of Christianity

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Im not an atheist

I think you are.

Jews are not forbidden to say they love God; in fact, the Torah explicitly commands it, and it is a fundamental aspect of Jewish faith. The Shema prayer (Deuteronomy 6:5) commands Jews to love God "with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength". While some Jewish traditions may focus more on action over emotion, expressing love for God is central, not prohibited.

• Commandment to Love: The Torah directly commands loving God as part of the covenantal relationship.
• Expression of Love: Jewish liturgy, including the prayers recited daily, emphasizes God’s love for the Jewish people and commands a reciprocal love.
• Action-Oriented Love: In Judaism, loving God is often expressed through observing the commandments (mitzvot) rather than solely through emotional feelings.
• Reverence for the Name: While it is common to hear "I love God" in English, some observant Jews avoid writing the word "God" or speaking the divine name casually, often using substitute terms like Hashem out of reverence.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

The truth usually hurts before it helps.

Is that so? How long do l have to wait before l start to hurt?

 

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Is that so?

Yes, it is most certainly is so.

How long do l have to wait before l start to hurt?

Just as soon as you accept the truth and not one minute sooner.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Yes, it is most certainly is so.

Just as soon as you accept the truth and not one minute sooner.

Er….which truth might that be?

 

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Er….which truth might that be?

The specific one I am referring to is the one that began this exchange. But the broader and more important truth is Israel has forgotten God.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

The specific one I am referring to is the one that began this exchange. But the broader and more important truth is Israel has forgotten God.

Are you okay?

 

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Are you okay?

I'm great. I have a 7:30 tee time.

 

[Hafar1014]

I bet you enjoyed this, didn't you?
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He was rightfully convicted and put in prison

 

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He was rightfully convicted and put in prison

For sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy. And then put to death. Yes, it's been well documented.

Do you love the God of Abraham?

 

[Hafar1014]

Are you okay?

It is the Glory of Christianity to have enemies that lie about Christianity.

Do you love the God of Abraham?

Its not a lie at all its a clear progression of values. Christians invented original sin and hell as punishment for non believers to force them to believe in Jesus. None of that is in Genesis. Its made up.
Jews are free from those primitive punitive beliefs.

 

[Hafar1014]

For sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy. And then put to death. Yes, it's been well documented.

Do you love the God of Abraham?

No the solder who destroyed the statue. God is an abstract concept you cant love it. You can love an idol or a dumbed down version of God like Jesus.

 

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Its not a lie at all its a clear progression of values. Christians invented original sin

Judaism teaches that humans possess an evil inclination, known in Hebrew as the yetzer hara (יֵצֶר הַרַע). Same difference.

and hell as punishment for non believers to force them to believe in Jesus.

Don't you believe in accountability?

And no, it's not about control or forcing anyone to believe in Jesus. The bible does teach us to be obedient to GOD. That doesn't mean it was written for other humans to control us. It means that if you want a happy, peaceful and successful life, that you should love God with all your heart. Because if you love God you won't need rules because you will always do the right thing. Which is literally what Jesus corrected and taught. It's not about rule keeping. It's about loving God.

None of that is in Genesis. Its made up.

It's all in Genesis. Which by the way is an allegorical account of the fall of man.

Jews are free from those primitive punitive beliefs.

You mean like loving God? Yes, I agree. They have forgotten God.

 

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No the solder who destroyed the statue. God is an abstract concept you cant love it. You can love an idol or a dumbed down version of God like Jesus.

The only thing he did wrong was get caught. You loved what he did.

 

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Its not a lie at all its a clear progression of values. Christians invented original sin and hell as punishment for non believers to force them to believe in Jesus. None of that is in Genesis. Its made up.
Jews are free from those primitive punitive beliefs.

Like I said before.... It is the Glory of Christianity to have enemies that lie about Christianity.

Israel has forgotten God and so they behave ungodly.

 

[JoeB131]

Exactly this.

I haven't looked into it, but I guess Atwood denies the story is based on the Iranian Revolution. I know for sure she's a hard Leftist, but like all great authors, she created a piece that transcends her own viewpoint. So whether she likes it or not, we can clearly see the parallels between her work and radical Islam.

Well, if you looked into it, Atwood's primary motivation for the book was that she saw mainstream feminists in the 1980s making common cause with religious fanatics on their anti-porn crusade. She felt that such a move would turn the country more towards religious fanaticism and would diminish feminism's accomplishments.

The other aspect of the book was that white fertility rates were declining, and that someone would do something like the Handmaid program to bolster white reproduction rates. It was, in many ways, a criticism of surrogacy, which was starting to become a thing.

Neither of these is well portrayed in the series because these were 1980's concerns. It doesn't help that the book is a non-linear narrative and the protagonist Offred is a limp distowel of a character. She just goes along with everything that's done to her.

A better adaptation is the 1990 movie version with Natasha Richardson, Robert Duvall, and Faye Dunaway (one of her few good performances after she imploded after Mommie Dearest.) It is actually one of the few cases where the adaptation is better than the book.

 

[JoeB131]

All of which we see in Islam in its multiple hard line implementations in our current world.

Islamic Fundamentalism is a reaction to Western Imperialism.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, of course. But too many people think that's really how Christianity is, or wants to be if we could "get away with it"

Okay, and who is trying to ban

Abortion
Transgender treatment
Gay Marriage
Pornography

Seems you guys are happy to impose yourselves on others if you could "get away with it".

The thing about the Gilead society is that, religious aspects aside, they were dealing with a major crisis, a sharp drop in the fertility rate.

 

[Meriweather]

God is an abstract concept you cant love it.

I've never been shocked by anything I've read on this forum...until I read this. So--you've never experienced the love that can flow between God and the individual. If "God as a concept" is familiar to Jews, it explains atheism in Judaism, yet fails to explain how a concept can have a chosen people. Perhaps you know?

 

[Meriweather]

Okay, and who is trying to ban

Abortion
Transgender treatment
Gay Marriage
Pornography

Seems you guys are happy to impose yourselves on others if you could "get away with it".

Tell me, Joe. What on your list can be described as holy?

 

[hadit]

So Abraham was an adulterer?

Why, yes, he was, as was king David and Solomon, and we're paying the price for his adultery to this day. Perhaps you have heard about the Middle East?