CDZ The growing peril of war with China over Taiwan

[sartre play]

China may not want to dominate the world, But they for sure want to expand there territory's, They have a lot of people to feed.

 

[Silver Cat]

The Russians HATE the Chinese. They only tolerated them when they were communists.

Really? Did you read a recent RAND report about Russia-China cooperation?

 

[Unkotare]

China may not want to dominate the world, But they for sure want to expand there territory's, They have a lot of people to feed.

Far fewer in a few decades.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Here is a short article criticizing Pompeo’s recent tweets calling for rejection of our long-standing “One China” agreements, and his calling for open U.S. recognition of Taiwan “independence”:

Pompeo tweets, risks war with China over Taiwan
Such chirping from the former secretary of state, who has obvious political ambitions, is reckless and irresponsible.

Amid fears of nuclear escalation stemming from the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Mike Pompeo tweeted today:

It is my view that the U.S. government should immediately take necessary, and long-overdue, steps to do the right and obvious thing, that is to offer the Republic of China (Taiwan) America’s diplomatic recognition as a free and sovereign country.

It is remarkable that this statement came from a former Secretary of State, given its basic ignorance of geopolitics. The ultimate reality that Pompeo blithely dismisses in favor of a politically-useful, grandstanding statement, is that formally recognizing Taiwan as a sovereign, independent nation will — in the view of countless experts who know this issue inside and out — put us on a solid path to conflict with the People’s Republic of China. And that will fundamentally threaten Taiwan, as well as raising the prospect of nuclear war…

Pompeo tweets, risks war with China over Taiwan

Such chirping from the former secretary of state, who has obvious political ambitions, is reckless and irresponsible.

responsiblestatecraft.org

 

[Stann]

Here is a short article criticizing Pompeo’s recent tweets calling for rejection of our long-standing “One China” agreements, and his calling for open U.S. recognition of Taiwan “independence”:

Pompeo tweets, risks war with China over Taiwan
Such chirping from the former secretary of state, who has obvious political ambitions, is reckless and irresponsible.

Amid fears of nuclear escalation stemming from the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Mike Pompeo tweeted today:



It is remarkable that this statement came from a former Secretary of State, given its basic ignorance of geopolitics. The ultimate reality that Pompeo blithely dismisses in favor of a politically-useful, grandstanding statement, is that formally recognizing Taiwan as a sovereign, independent nation will — in the view of countless experts who know this issue inside and out — put us on a solid path to conflict with the People’s Republic of China. And that will fundamentally threaten Taiwan, as well as raising the prospect of nuclear war…

Pompeo tweets, risks war with China over Taiwan

Such chirping from the former secretary of state, who has obvious political ambitions, is reckless and irresponsible.

responsiblestatecraft.org

Taiwan developed because of communist China. Nothing has changed. There is a communist China and there is a free China. Neither one can have authority over the other. Each are independent nations now ever since the war. The Chinese Communist claim is unfounded.

 

[Rogue AI]

Taiwan developed because of communist China. Nothing has changed. There is a communist China and there is a free China. Neither one can have authority over the other. Each are independent nations now ever since the war. The Chinese Communist claim is unfounded.

Seriously? You don't even know about the One China Policy? Wow.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Here is a short article criticizing Pompeo’s recent tweets calling for rejection of our long-standing “One China” agreements, and his calling for open U.S. recognition of Taiwan “independence”:

Pompeo tweets, risks war with China over Taiwan
Such chirping from the former secretary of state, who has obvious political ambitions, is reckless and irresponsible.

Amid fears of nuclear escalation stemming from the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Mike Pompeo tweeted today:



It is remarkable that this statement came from a former Secretary of State, given its basic ignorance of geopolitics. The ultimate reality that Pompeo blithely dismisses in favor of a politically-useful, grandstanding statement, is that formally recognizing Taiwan as a sovereign, independent nation will — in the view of countless experts who know this issue inside and out — put us on a solid path to conflict with the People’s Republic of China. And that will fundamentally threaten Taiwan, as well as raising the prospect of nuclear war…

Pompeo tweets, risks war with China over Taiwan

Such chirping from the former secretary of state, who has obvious political ambitions, is reckless and irresponsible.

responsiblestatecraft.org

Why would anyone want to maintain the status quo regarding Taiwan? Libtards, that's who!

 

[sartre play]

China plays the long game, check out the history of Hong Kong. Stopping Putin could help give pause to the China & Taiwan situation.

 

[sartre play]

China crushed Hong Kong while Trump drooled on his desk in the Oval Office. Not a very good track record.

Blame, Really? OF the many mistakes made by the former president Hong Kong is not his, or any one persons fault. China spent a 10 years propaganda program conditioning main line china against supporting Hong Kong pre changing all the rules.. All politicians make mistakes, The silliness is thinking that joining a political party elevates anyone to some form of brilliance

 

[sartre play]

That only works to a limited extent

manufacturing stuff in America makes our economy better

but the cost of consumer products will go up

which liberal globalists will complain about bitterly

Who said money is the root of all evil?

 

[Mac-7]

Who said money is the root of all evil?

Probably a 30-something snowflake wannabe socialist living in mommy’s spare bedroom

 

[Mac-7]

Far fewer in a few decades.

Too many men and not enough women

plus too many old, not enough young

 

[Stann]

Seriously? You don't even know about the One China Policy? Wow.

I am saying the one China policy is b*******. Both communist China and free China came into being at the same time. Neither should have rule over the other, they are equally legitimate.

 

[Stann]

I am saying the one China policy is b*******. Both communist China and free China came into being at the same time. Neither should have rule over the other, they are equally legitimate.

I take that back Taiwan has more legitimacy than China does I'm amazed I didn't know this Taiwan became a nation in 1912 long before communist China even existed in 1949.

 

[Correll]

Here is a short article criticizing Pompeo’s recent tweets calling for rejection of our long-standing “One China” agreements, and his calling for open U.S. recognition of Taiwan “independence”:

Pompeo tweets, risks war with China over Taiwan
Such chirping from the former secretary of state, who has obvious political ambitions, is reckless and irresponsible.

Amid fears of nuclear escalation stemming from the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Mike Pompeo tweeted today:



It is remarkable that this statement came from a former Secretary of State, given its basic ignorance of geopolitics. The ultimate reality that Pompeo blithely dismisses in favor of a politically-useful, grandstanding statement, is that formally recognizing Taiwan as a sovereign, independent nation will — in the view of countless experts who know this issue inside and out — put us on a solid path to conflict with the People’s Republic of China. And that will fundamentally threaten Taiwan, as well as raising the prospect of nuclear war…

Pompeo tweets, risks war with China over Taiwan

Such chirping from the former secretary of state, who has obvious political ambitions, is reckless and irresponsible.

responsiblestatecraft.org

Though I agree that his statement was a bad idea, it should be noted that you position is that China would be willing to fight a nuclear war, over the idea of recognizing that a Free and Democratic Nation is a Free and Democratic Nation.


My first response, to that is, "wow, that sounds like an evil nation. Why are we trading with these people?".

 

[sartre play]

one war at a time. support Ukraine Now.

 

[Stann]

Though I agree that his statement was a bad idea, it should be noted that you position is that China would be willing to fight a nuclear war, over the idea of recognizing that a Free and Democratic Nation is a Free and Democratic Nation.


My first response, to that is, "wow, that sounds like an evil nation. Why are we trading with these people?".

I keep forgetting, was it Reagan or Nixon who opened up trade with China. In hindsight, we should have accelerated trade agreements and incentives with all the nations of the Americas. Building super-transportation networks here at home and throughout the Americas. Let Europe do the same in Africa.

 

[peacefan]

This article has been adapted from a lecture delivered by experienced U.S. Ambassador and Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs from 1993-94 — Chas Freeman — to the Committee for the Republic.

It discusses the drift toward war over Taiwan and carefully reviews the history of our relations with Communist China. The writer is one of the most insistent anti-war, anti-militarist voices speaking on this issue in the U.S., but even he has little hope and few suggestions for avoiding what he calls our present bipartisan “sleepwalking” into major conflict there. The article was written a few weeks ago. Here are just a few highlights:

“Taiwan is an established American foreign policy success story that appears to be nearing the end of its shelf life. Management of the Taiwan question has long been the key to peace or war – possibly nuclear war – between the United States and China. Now, the door may be closing to peace....

“The PLA, according to some U.S. military and intelligence experts, could now destroy Taiwan at will and take it in as little as three days.... As was true of Hanoi, Beijing is a determinedly nationalist opponent that enjoys the balance of fervor in its struggle to end the American-backed division of its country.

“To normalize relations with Beijing, successive U.S. presidents gave specific commitments in three carefully negotiated joint communiqués. These documents – issued in 1972, 1979, and 1982 – are the foundation of Sino-American relations. In them, the U.S. government promised that it would no longer maintain official relations with Taipei, that it would have no troops and military installations on the island, and that it would sell only carefully selected defensive weapons to Taiwan on a restrained basis. In the third communiqué, the United States agreed to limit the quality and reduce the quantity of its arms sales to Taiwan.

“Over the succeeding decades, Washington has progressively eroded or set aside every one of these strictures.... On November 12, 2020 (nine days after the U.S. presidential election made his boss a lame duck), Secretary of State Mike Pompeo completed the trashing of the “one-China” stipulation by declaring (inaccurately) that ‘Taiwan has not been part of China.’

“By progressively going back on its word, Washington has established a reputation in China for faithlessness that precludes anyone there trusting further American commitments. Pro forma protests that the United States stands by the “three joint communiqués” fool no one but amnesiac Americans. The resulting distrust precludes new Sino-American understandings about how to manage differences over Taiwan. But without such understandings, the escalating contradictions between Chinese nationalism and Taiwanese identity politics are taking us toward conflict....

“As long as the people of Taiwan continue to believe that they have a blank check from the United States that they can fill out in American blood, they will feel free to ... push the envelope even more than they already have. Meanwhile, whatever they do, the military balance in the area will continue to shift against them. So, Taipei must decide whether to seek a negotiated accommodation with the Chinese across the Strait or risk a war with them that – even with American backing – would destroy the island’s democracy and prosperity without gaining independence for it....

“There is no advantage to dispelling the current ambiguity. But surely, we must base our management of the Taiwan issue on a considered judgment about what we are and are not prepared to do to reduce the danger of war over it, even if we keep that judgment to ourselves.

“A shifting balance of power, stiff-necked nationalism in Beijing, delusions of immunity from harm in Taipei, and a strange mixture of bravado and inattention in Washington provide all the ingredients for a tragedy. I see no easy answers for any of the participants to halt their march toward catastrophe.”

The growing peril of war with China over Taiwan

Paradoxically, the louder the U.S. becomes in defense of Taipei, the more China is apt to invade it.

responsiblestatecraft.org

Chas Freeman Responsible Statecraft

The outgoing Pompeo State Department worked overtime putting the U.S. on a collision course with Beijing. It has just officially accused China of “genocide” in Xinjiang and gone further in treating Taiwan as an independent country than any administration since the mid-1970s. Biden’s Secretary of State has repeated the genocide charge. The U.S. is now the only country in the world to use this provocative language, though it is still possible it may be diplomatically withdrawn.

But the problem of Taiwan remains. Every act of the U.S. to move toward recognizing Taiwan independence now makes China more likely to put an end to this question once and for all. The sanctions pressure the U.S. has imposed on Taiwan high tech chip manufacturers not to continue selling to their biggest customers in China may itself already have decided the question, with China now just awaiting the proper moment.

What do serious people here think about this issue?
Please read the whole article before responding.
Please don’t make this into a partisan issue.
It is truly one of the great geo-political problems of our times.

it's an outdated article.
the British and the Americans have increased their resistance against the PLA's naval forces significantly in recent years (by sail-by of the Taiwanese waters), indicating *increased* support for Taiwanese indepence.

the only real problem i see is that girlpower infested current President of Taiwan, that woman who tries to be a Churchill type leader for her country.
she antagonizes the Chinese *far* too much with her regular speeches and declarations.

don't forget : the Taiwanese have the option of working abroad, going into exile in the west. They'd suffer minor racism, yes, but they'd be valued high-tech entrepeneurs here.

 

[peacefan]

one war at a time. support Ukraine Now.

no. geopolitics has always been a "whatever comes your way, you have to deal with" kinda "game".

 

[peacefan]

You sound like nevil chamberlain in 1939

The tiawanese are on the verge of voting for independence from mainland china

They know the risk of war

so the issue is not fake concern over damage to taiwan, but rather your belief that china is too strong for any nation, even America, to oppose.

And therefore appeasement is the “smart“ move in your opinion

ambiguity is the current policy, and it's the perfect policy (for the forseeable future, possibly decades long even).